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[Itkovian]

Statistically speaking, I find these numbers highly suspect. It's barely a week out and there are already almost as many user reviews as a game released more than a year ago.

As was said, that indicates that these numbers constitute a large influx of a small number of knee-jerk reactionaries who wish to make their discontent clear. And while that IS a valid indicator for some things, it is not representative of the gaming public at large. Different measurements will be needed to arrive at that.

Fortunately, market analysts are not uneducated children. They are certainly aware of these factors and will base their decisions accordingly (for the same reason no game developer ever base their design decisions solely on forum input, as we forum posters only represent a sliver of their total market *grin*).

Thank you.

Itkovian

[AlanC9]

There's obviously a lot of dishonest scoring on Metacritic these days. It kind of reminds me of the attempt to spoof Amazon's rankings for ME1 by people who were butthurt about the proposed DRM scheme.

It doesn't matter. Neither Bio nor anyone else will take those scores at face value.

[Lennonkun]

As I recall the "voting bomb" occurred when people realized the exact opposite was occurring. Fake accounts were being made to rate the game a 10.

People don't take kindly to that.

[papality]

it sucking probably has something to do with it

[TwistedComplex]

The same reason world of warcraft and call of duty have low user scores but high reviewer scores

[Hint: It's not because EA bribed them]

[Faust1979]

gamespot gave the game an 8 a lot of places have reviewed the game quite highly

[OSUfan12121]

Yes because user reviews matter *sigh*. Most of those reviews came from the same people making new accounts and continuously spamming negative reviews.

[Muffzy]

Sabiancym wrote...

Fans are betrayed, that's why. You can't take a fairly deep classic PC RPG and turn it into an action console game and not expect to ****** people off.

I'm very happy to see all the hate. Maybe bioware will think twice next time before releasing garbage.

Wow! Could not have said it better myself.

[Sabiancym]

Athro wrote...

Sabiancym wrote...

Fans are betrayed, that's why. You can't take a fairly deep classic PC RPG and turn it into an action console game and not expect to ****** people off.

I'm very happy to see all the hate. Maybe bioware will think twice next time before releasing garbage.

That does not give them the right to sabotage the scoring. It's petty and unproductive. Furthermore, it wont make Bioware change their minds - if anything, it will make Bioware less able to pay attention to the legitimate criticisms.

I'm all for people saying what they didn't like and suggesting what they want. I don't think spiteful stacking of the scores is a good thing - especially by people who haven't played the game and blatantly show that they haven't played the game.

On another forum I saw one guy boasting about how he only played the demo and then went and gave DA2 a 0 on metacritic for all platforms. He also boasted he wasn't the only one. Well I've played the demo and I've played the game on PS3 - the demo is not the same as the game. So he lied in his reviews.

Which, IMO, negates the value of the user reviews as much as if all the fanboys just put 10s and said "it's awesome, nuff said."

C.

That's your opinion.  

My opinion is that universal positive reviewing is 10x more worthless than criticism.  It leads to nothing being fixed.


The entire reason the game is getting the backlash is because it's a sequel.  If this were the first entry, it wouldn't be getting bashed as bad, but that doesn't mean the bashign is not justified.  People don't expect a franchise to completely turn it's back on the first game's style, and since DA2 did that, people are mad and letting bioware know about it.  A 0 rating is a much better way to get bioware to notice that fact than a 5 is. 

Based on DA:O.  I can easily see giving this game a 3 or less.  It's that much of a downgrade.

[DarkAngel1979]

I suggest all the people who don't like DA2 should do the same thing as the last bunch of butthurt obsolete RPG gamers who raged against a superior RPG experience because it had the audacity of streamlining the game and making it a bit more accessible to casual gamers: start your own company, steal the original game you loved so much, then make a pathetic patch to it and sell it to other butthurt fans to show Bioware who is boss.

You can call it Dragon Age: Pathfinder.

Modifié par DarkAngel1979, 11 mars 2011 - 09:00 .

[flushfire]

Faust1979 wrote...

gamespot gave the game an 8 a lot of places have reviewed the game quite highly

for a AAA title on gamespot an 8 is not 'quite highly'.

[Lennonkun]

Faust1979 wrote...

gamespot gave the game an 8 a lot of places have reviewed the game quite highly

Except an 8 is actually a 3, or a 2.

AAA titles have a different syallabus if you will ranging form 8-10. An 8 is a VERY low score. Its the reviewers saying "well it isn't a bad game, but it also isn't great so... don't blame us if you hate it!"

So that 8 says a lot actually. Then you look at the French sites... they tore the game to pieces. One referred to DA2 as a "declaration of war against PC gamers" and more.

Like it or not, this negative backlash isn't purely some 4channers throwing a hissy fit. This is very real and legitimate and can be seen in many locations. /v/ is just exceptionally vocal, but the goons of SA are pretty vocal right now themselves too.

[Dave of Canada]

Metacritic was raided, people using it as an argument for why the game sucks are often the same people who raided it themselves. Great thing user reviews don't matter. /shrug

[Ixalmaris]

DarkAngel1979 wrote...

I suggest all the people who don't like DA2 should do the same thing as the last bunch of butthurt obsolete RPG gamers who raged against a superior RPG experience because it had the audacity of streamlining the game and making it a bit more accessible to casual gamers: start your own company, steal the original game you loved so much, then make a pathetic patch to it and sell it to other butthurt fans to show Bioware who is boss.

You can call it Dragon Age: Pathfinder.

Oh a PnP player.

Too bad that Pathfinder is selling in droves while D&D is failing with their even more dumbed down Essential line.

[Haristo]

TwistedComplex wrote...

The same reason world of warcraft and call of duty have low user scores but high reviewer scores

[Hint: It's not because EA bribed them]

Everything is said... but  Black Ops kind of deserve its low score IMO...

Modifié par Haristo, 11 mars 2011 - 09:04 .

[Bio Max]

Blimey - some people are so defensive on this thread. Personally I loved DAO, whereas I 'like' DA2 - it's not as good as DAO, it's more simplified and so far the only better thing from DAO is the fact that Hawke actually has a voice. Is that to say I don't like DA2? hell no - it's a good game, but a backware step in my eyes.

For some of you getting your knickers in a twist over some negative reviews though... blimey just chill. If they are trolls then fair enough, but maybe, just maybe, the overwhelming feeling is that DA2 is a worse game? Not as low as '3' as it currently is, but there we go..

[Lumikki]

User scores are sometimes bad, because they can be manipulated by "trolls" or "fans".

People who gives more professional preview are needed to have more neutral review. They can't go like user, game sucks lets give it 0 or it's perfect lets give it 10. These people needs to actually play the game and make estimate as neutral they can, but with they opinion. If they can't do that, they servise aren't gonna be needed or listen by others very long.

Modifié par Lumikki, 11 mars 2011 - 09:06 .

[flushfire]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Metacritic was raided, people using it as an argument for why the game sucks are often the same people who raided it themselves. Great thing low user reviews don't matter. /shrug

fixed that for you. you're welcome.

[Lennonkun]

DarkAngel1979 wrote...

I suggest all the people who don't like DA2 should do the same thing as the last bunch of butthurt obsolete RPG gamers who raged against a superior RPG experience because it had the audacity of streamlining the game and making it a bit more accessible to casual gamers: start your own company, steal the original game you loved so much, then make a pathetic patch to it and sell it to other butthurt fans to show Bioware who is boss.

You can call it Dragon Age: Pathfinder.

Pathfinder > World of 4th Ed

Also Paizo has been around a while. I'm all in favor of making fun of Paizo as their design decisions are borderline Bioware DA2 stupidity, but they never went as full retard as 4th ed.

3.5 was a broken mess due to splat bloat. Pathfinder fixed it up. Yea, some stuff is still broken, it happens, but at least there isn't say Persistant spell cheese and the CoDzilla is finally dead.

[element eater]

Sabiancym wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

User scores are worthless.

So the user score of 8.3 for origins is worthless?  No...the user scores usually average out very well.  

good post
it might have been mobbed initialy but if thats the case over time it should start to creep up again, besides user reviews for DA2 are generaly low across the board. Its good that you like the game personaly im yet to play so my reviews will wait until later, but completely dismissing negative feed back is pointless you just have to accept a lot of people dont like this game for what ever reason. 

[astrallite]

Even if you are going to link Gamespot, that's because the console versions of Dragon Age II are simply superior to the PC version. Better controls, stable performance, and a detachable camera.

On gamespot the PC user reviews are still 20% worse than the consoles for good reason.

[accessd]

3.9 is a bit low but its clearly the worst (PC) game from BioWare.

Modifié par accessd, 11 mars 2011 - 09:13 .

[Drake Sigar]

ColdbringeR wrote...

User scores are worthless for a couple of reasons:

1. They have nothing to lose from giving a poor score. Their credibility is not at stake like a professional review writer.

2. They often score things lower or higher than they are deserving of because they want their opinions to matter more than others.

User scores may be overzealous, but at least you’re getting the user’s actual opinion. I put more stock in that than the paid reviewers whose job involves keeping the big developers happy by putting a positive spin on things for the prospect of future exclusives and interviews. And if they don’t? The developer will go elsewhere, and the magazine/site will lose subscribers. This is a common business practice today.