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[Cpt Ranger]

LaughingDragon wrote...

Metacritic DA:II PC user score is 3.9/10  http://www.metacriti...c/dragon-age-ii

Metacritic DA:O PC user score 8.3/10  http://www.metacriti...gon-age-origins
 
So what caused a score to shift from 8.3 down to 3.9 from game 1 to game 2?

Discuss!

At the end of the day, Metacritic USER scores are worthless, only Reviewers scores.

[finc.loki]

Sabiancym wrote...

Athro wrote...

 Having taken the time to look through a number of those negative reviews, there are a lot of people who have never reviewed on Metacritic before except for DA2 - and they have some how managed to complete the game within a short period of release and have done so on all three platforms.

This is the thing that bugs me most about these user "reviews" - they aren't even trying to cover the fact that they haven't played the game. They criticise faults not in the final product, they write a "review" for all three platforms - meaning that they either have bought all three versions or they are making false assumptions.

It just ends up negating the value of their opinons.

I can understand the people who have voted 4-5 and state clearly that they have played the game and didn't like it. All good. But there aren't many who voted below 5 that strike me as being honest reviews. They are full of fallacies and reek of being a low score as punishment for DA2 not being the game they wanted rather than a reasonable criticism of the game as it is.

C.

It really doesn't matter why people reviewed it.  If someone was so angry about the direction of the game that they took the time to sign up to various website and bash it actually says more about the game than just your regular reviewer.

People are mad about the direction of the game, and it shows.  Origins was a good game, and it got a good user score.  Stop trying to act like user scores are worthless just because you don't like the outcome.

Cause they ARE worthless.
You rate the game a 0 and I think it's an 8, why the hell would I care what YOU think.

See a moron that rates a game a 0 can't be taken serious, there is no feedback and it is more like a child throwing a temper tantrum cause he doesn't have a game HE/SHE wants, completely forgetting that this game has MILLIONS of players.

The low score is by a couple of hundred users, compared to millions playing the game and not even checking out Metacritic scores, they are too busy having a good time.

It is well known that people that enjoy a product use it instead of whining about it on a forum.

I enjoy the combat and that the protagonist is voiced.
Sure I would have wanted more variety in scenery, but that doesn't mean that the game is INSTANTLY a 0 in score.

I care more about professional reviews, and what I do is I read a lot of them. If a majority says it's bad then it is, when it is split I read into more deeply what each reviewer liked or not.
Cause what one reviewer dislike (let say combat), I myself might REALLY like, so out of that I can draw my own conclusion.

Also if people just buy a game cause the previous iteration of the same LORE was good and they don't read up about it, then they are fools.
Plain and simple.
Any person playing games today know that things change in games, not all versions are great.
I REALLY enjoy the first ME and ME2 I find wasn't as good, but I still enjoyed it dispite a few flaws.
I didn't throw a tantrum professing how Bioware "betrayed" me like a self entitled silly boy.

Another point is that if a person enjoyed the first DA:O then it is pretty safe to say that person would follow the development of the second game pretty closely.

I loved Oblivion, and I am checking everyday about Skyrim, any previews and in the forum.
Why cause I WANT that game and I liked the first one.

I can understand why some are upset about DA2, but take it for what it is, or leave it.

I am hoping that ME3 won't be worse than ME2 when it comes to inventory and "streamlining" of the RPG elements, I also want more story based missions instead of just running around "recruiting squad members".
Although I can bet my behind that ME3 will be Shepard running around trying to recruit the other alien races to fight the Reapers.

The thing is give a proper score instead of automatic 0 or 10, it's silly when people do that.

[finc.loki]

TwistedComplex wrote...

The same reason world of warcraft and call of duty have low user scores but high reviewer scores

[Hint: It's not because EA bribed them]

+1, evidence.

/Thread...

[j0eli]

finc.loki wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

The same reason world of warcraft and call of duty have low user scores but high reviewer scores

[Hint: It's not because EA bribed them]

+1, evidence.

/Thread...

YESS IT IS ALL BECAUSE OF A 4CHAN COMMUNIST CONSPIRACY!!! Because naturally every thread in 4chan will be taken seriously. Oh, wait it has _14_ replies. That's, like, the largest raid on the Internet EVAH!!

[Literateminority]

Ixalmaris wrote...

A good summary of DA2 (no spoilers of course)
http://i.imgur.com/8jokZ.jpg

Muhahahaha

[AussieGiant]

I think it's too early to tell what the final user score is going to be. Most games get a fair bit of criticism when they first come out, so a little patience will be needed.

Having said that. Given there are large sections of the PC community unable to run the game at all, or are having fairly serious performance issues means I expect to see a final number a fair few points lower than their usual scores.

There are serious issues with the game at this stage and that will come back to haunt them.

I have my PC version sitting here, but I'm not installing it until the main PC issues are resolved.This is the first time I've taken this type of action in 12 years of gaming.

Modifié par AussieGiant, 11 mars 2011 - 10:13 .

[Mashiki]

Beh I'm not a fan of 4chan, but I'll say that the gave deserves the negative rating it's getting. Oddly enough if you consider /v/ and the massive number of twits there that play rpg/crpg and larp. I can see them being pissed off enough over the game to do this.

[Ixalmaris]

Should I link the Bioware community post where the mods ask/beg for positive meta reviews?

[Literateminority]

Cpt Ranger wrote...

LaughingDragon wrote...

Metacritic DA:II PC user score is 3.9/10  http://www.metacriti...c/dragon-age-ii

Metacritic DA:O PC user score 8.3/10  http://www.metacriti...gon-age-origins
 
So what caused a score to shift from 8.3 down to 3.9 from game 1 to game 2?

Discuss!

At the end of the day, Metacritic USER scores are worthless, only Reviewers scores.

That is your opinion. Yet ever heard the saying that you should not bite the hand that feeds you? Well, those review sites exist from advertisement money and EA is THE major source of game advertisement. They are in my book only slightly more trustworthy than the EA marketing guys themselves. 

Modifié par Literateminority, 11 mars 2011 - 10:18 .

[zombiehampster]

Chaseroy wrote...

It's funny that all of these people who are talking about the death of the classic RPG - so you've got to assume they are adults - are behaving like complete children. About a video game, no less.

I wish it was just with rpgs...
It seems like theres a huge level of self entitlement going on in this world. 
They make a game.
Game does things differently than past titles.
May or may not suit to tastes.
Scream bloody murder that a vast injustice has been done or maybe even compliment the change.

Sigh...
I feel more sorry for Bioware having to please an upleaseable fanbase more than anything else.
They make great games imo.  I've been happy since Baldurs Gate, and DA 2 is pretty sweet too.
Oh well

[Chrono Mizaki]

What's with the argument of Dragon Age 1 being the so-called 'godly CRPG'. Even I'm not that experienced in many CRPGs, but I know Dragon Age wasn't one of the good ones. Even the first one was just average and I'm replaying it again to give it another chance. It's an enjoyable game, but not a good CRPG.

But dialogue is **** and the cast of character I got so far aren't as interesting. I enjoy Bioware's games, but Dragon Age is one of the weaker ones. The negative reception of the second one is probably going to destroy my goal to complete Dragon Age.

[haberman13]

zombiehampster wrote...

Chaseroy wrote...

It's funny that all of these people who are talking about the death of the classic RPG - so you've got to assume they are adults - are behaving like complete children. About a video game, no less.

I wish it was just with rpgs...
It seems like theres a huge level of self entitlement going on in this world. 
They make a game.
Game does things differently than past titles.
May or may not suit to tastes.
Scream bloody murder that a vast injustice has been done or maybe even compliment the change.

Sigh...
I feel more sorry for Bioware having to please an upleaseable fanbase more than anything else.
They make great games imo.  I've been happy since Baldurs Gate, and DA 2 is pretty sweet too.
Oh well

Ever see the new Star Wars movies?  Do SW fans have a right to be miffed about their quality?

Games/movies/entertainment means nothing ultimately - but that doesn't mean fans of something shouldn't say "hey, WTF are you thinking?"

What you are suggesting is: company A can do whatever they want with a franchise, consumers should shut-up and say nothing about it.

[Roseking]

 I also think we need to make a clear definition between feedback and whining. There are many good reviews that bash the game, they have good reasoning and while I may not agree with them on some points that are nice to read. Whining is people who give the game a 0 and scream "This game is so so so so so so so bad. Bioware sucks and DA 2 is complete garbage." That helps no one. 

[finc.loki]

j0eli wrote...

finc.loki wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

The same reason world of warcraft and call of duty have low user scores but high reviewer scores

[Hint: It's not because EA bribed them]

+1, evidence.

/Thread...

YESS IT IS ALL BECAUSE OF A 4CHAN COMMUNIST CONSPIRACY!!! Because naturally every thread in 4chan will be taken seriously. Oh, wait it has _14_ replies. That's, like, the largest raid on the Internet EVAH!!

I'm not talking about a conspiracy.
I'm looking at the picture seeing every other site at the top of the picture has better user scores.
It is only Metacritic that has the extremely low scores.


The low scores on Metacritic is overreacting, it is people giving it a 0 cause the game wasn't what they thought it would be.
Completely devoid of any intelligent feedback.

[logikwolf]

DA2 is a huge step back, in terms of world design, in the combat system, inventory and character design. After 2 days of owning the game I do not want to play it again. I'm bored by the "exploration". I'm not feeling this game at all. Be honest with yourself guys, this is much worse than DAO.
BIOWARE you should be ashamed. 

Modifié par logikwolf, 11 mars 2011 - 10:31 .

[Avilan II]

xnoxiousx wrote...

lol

Yawn.

Trolls will be trolls. Fake reviews with the goal to destroy the company that "betrayed" their trust. 

[Ixalmaris]

Avilan II wrote...

xnoxiousx wrote...

lol

Yawn.

Trolls will be trolls. Fake reviews with the goal to destroy the company that "betrayed" their trust. 

Compared to fake reviews to get more advertisment money and exclusives from wealthy publishers.

[Justin2k]

So far I'm not all that far in.. but barring the game getting significantly better or significantly worse, it's an average game.

It isn't worth a 9/10 or 10/10 score, no way. But it isn't worth a 3/10 score either. Anywhere between 6 and 8 sounds about right.

Not as good as past games, but then hey, one average game out of the last 6 or 7 isn't so bad.

[Avilan II]

NWN DM wrote...

Well, thousands of people are not so easily bought as reviewers are.

Lot's of truth in this statement.

Funny I get the opposite feeling- Thousands of people are troll sheep who either do this because of a fake sense of betrayal, or because of the lulz. 

Ixalmaris wrote...

Avilan II wrote...

xnoxiousx wrote...

lol

Yawn.

Trolls will be trolls. Fake reviews with the goal to destroy the company that "betrayed" their trust. 

Compared to fake reviews to get more advertisment money and exclusives from wealthy publishers.

Conspiracy nut much? "All reivewers are bought!" Yes of course they are. And the moonlanding was faked. And the Lizard People rule the earth.

Modifié par Avilan II, 11 mars 2011 - 10:35 .

[AkiKishi]

Justin2k wrote...

So far I'm not all that far in.. but barring the game getting significantly better or significantly worse, it's an average game.

It isn't worth a 9/10 or 10/10 score, no way. But it isn't worth a 3/10 score either. Anywhere between 6 and 8 sounds about right.

Not as good as past games, but then hey, one average game out of the last 6 or 7 isn't so bad.

They paid for a good tag line and a score.

Avilan II wrote...

Funny I get the opposite feeling- Thousands of people are troll sheep who either do this because of a fake sense of betrayal, or because of the lulz. 

If that many people can actually be bothered to make the effort there must be something very wrong.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 11 mars 2011 - 10:34 .

[LaughingDragon]

Click this link, and read some of the hundreds of unique 150+ word reviews. Scroll down the page and check them out see for yourself


http://www.metacriti...ii/user-reviews


Users reviews are extremely valuable. Next time you take $2000 of your hard earned money to buy a new television on Amazon, or from Tiger Direct or whoever, I dare you to purchase the TV with the lowest user review ratings. Put your money where your mouth is trolls.

Modifié par LaughingDragon, 11 mars 2011 - 10:37 .

[keyip]

Cpt Ranger wrote...

At the end of the day, Metacritic USER
scores are worthless, only Reviewers scores.

At the end of the day all review scores are worthless. Scoring games out of 10 is an incredibly flawed practice and presents any number of problems with accuracy and consistency. They're just there because people can't  be bothered actually reading the reviews. If you didn't have a scoring system then you would never have issues like this because all the people who gave the game 0/10 would enter a review like saying "this game is tEH suXXors" and all that would happen is they would be ignored.

Remember that reviewer from 1up that gave NWN2 a really harsh review and everyone was up in arms about it? That situation would never have happened either, because people would have read the first line in his review (which basically said I'm sick and tired of these types of games) and laughed at the company for assigning him as the games reviewer.

Modifié par keyip, 11 mars 2011 - 10:37 .

[Ixalmaris]

Avilan II wrote...

NWN DM wrote...

Well, thousands of people are not so easily bought as reviewers are.

Lot's of truth in this statement.

Funny I get the opposite feeling- Thousands of people are troll sheep who either do this because of a fake sense of betrayal, or because of the lulz. 

Ixalmaris wrote...

Avilan II wrote...

xnoxiousx wrote...

lol

Yawn.

Trolls will be trolls. Fake reviews with the goal to destroy the company that "betrayed" their trust. 

Compared to fake reviews to get more advertisment money and exclusives from wealthy publishers.

Conspiracy nut much? "All reivewers are bought!" Yes of course they are. And the moonlanding was faked. And the Lizard People rule the earth.

Already forgot all the "scandals" about publsihers getting reviewers fired for bad reviews? Such deals, good reviews and awards for advertisment and exclusives are common. Thats how the magazines and big websites survive.
You will only get truely independant reviews from people who do not depent financially on the publishers.

Ever noticed that in the text or commentary from the tester in many of those good reviews the tester complains on and on about the game. Thats because he is not allowed to give a bad score and its the only thing he can do.

Modifié par Ixalmaris, 11 mars 2011 - 10:39 .

[accessd]

It's a mediocre game. Not good - not bad. BUT compared to what we should expect from BioWare it is really really bad.

I'm feeling betrayed.

[Aurgelmir]

The difference really is that metacritic doesen't remove low rating reviews, unlike some:

http://www.gamefaqs....age-ii/58396258