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[OmegaBlue0231]

People purposely lowering the score.

[Konane117]

The_mango55 wrote...

Sabiancym wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

User scores are worthless.

So the user score of 8.3 for origins is worthless?  No...the user scores usually average out very well.  

You people are just upset that the game isn't being praised by everyone.  Why you are upset by that I don't know, but it seems like there are a lot of you who feel the need to live and die with how this game is perceived.

Yes, the user score of 8.3 for origins is also worthless.

All user scores are worthless.

random question: are you mango55 from TWC?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I've been playing it since Tuesday. 14 hrs? Does this mean I finished it two hrs ago? Damn. I missed the ending. But then it takes me a while to get through games. And I should be hating the game?

[Sinvx]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I've been playing it since Tuesday. 14 hrs? Does this mean I finished it two hrs ago? Damn. I missed the ending. But then it takes me a while to get through games. And I should be hating the game?

Of course.

[Jaron Oberyn]

I'm about 22 hours in, right at the end and it's been on casual. Didn't do a lot of the side quests, but did many of them. Especially first act. The whole point is that DA2 could have been held off for another 6 months or so to allow for a much more extended storyline, a wide variety of side quest locations rather than the same old recycled environments, much more detail in the environments. The deep roads was such a disappointment. It felt extremely small compared to DA:O's deep roads which were huge. (Talking about room size not length of the level). It looked like it was a bunch of corridors and rooms in a building. The combat was way too fast in my opinion. One second my characters somewhere, another he's somewhere else. Another issue I didn't like was the length of the story. It felt too small compared to Origins. And before you say so, yes I know they already stated that fact. This is my first playthrough though so I'll go relatively easy on that aspect as I didn't do all of the sidequests and plan on doing so on my next playthrough.

Now while there were many things the game could have improved upon, there were some positives I would like to address.

The storyline, although short, was pretty good. I enjoyed it. It's a refreshment to take a break from the whole "One Man Alone" structure. I enjoyed the simple/personal lifestyle touch the game had. I really think the game had an excellent story, or at least so far. I'm right at the last part but haven't finished yet. But if it wasn't so rushed, this game's main quest would have been flawless. Bioware could have retouched upon some areas to make it a true masterpiece. It wasn't that different from Origins in my opinion aside from the fact that you can't choose your race, and your character is voiced. The new art direction was also a good move in my opinion. The qunari in the old game looked like a giant human rather than another species. The new look is fantastic and really portrays the whole experienced warriors vibe they've got going.

That's about all I'm going to say. There's plenty more, but I'd want to finish the entire game 100%, with everything done, before rendering a final judgement on this one. I plan on writing a very very long review on it with the hopes of improving the next game/dlc/expansion. Hopefully Bioware, and others, will give it a look. But that's probably a long way off from now... Anyways, that's my speech. Let me get off of my soap box.

-Polite

[The_mango55]

Konane117 wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

Sabiancym wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

User scores are worthless.

So the user score of 8.3 for origins is worthless?  No...the user scores usually average out very well.  

You people are just upset that the game isn't being praised by everyone.  Why you are upset by that I don't know, but it seems like there are a lot of you who feel the need to live and die with how this game is perceived.

Yes, the user score of 8.3 for origins is also worthless.

All user scores are worthless.

random question: are you mango55 from TWC?

Yeah

[Fiery Specter]

OmegaBlue0231 wrote...

People purposely lowering the score.

Of course, anyone who doesn't like the game and post a score that adequately reflects a sub-mediocre game is obviously not trying to raise the score.  Just as the people giving it 10/10 are obviously trying to raise it.

[Aurgelmir]

Its actually rather simple. If this was a great game then nobody would be wanting to down mark it anyway. If this was such a great game people would be scoring it high with perfect 10's. They're not doing that. Where is the organised campaigns to uprate it? If the people who hated the game rate it 0 and the people who loved the game rate it 10, then surely they are just as bad as each other.

[Vxed]

Aurgelmir wrote...

Its actually rather simple. If this was a great game then nobody would be wanting to down mark it anyway. If this was such a great game people would be scoring it high with perfect 10's. They're not doing that. Where is the organised campaigns to uprate it? If the people who hated the game rate it 0 and the people who loved the game rate it 10, then surely they are just as bad as each other.

People loving the game are still playing the game.. Not worried about what websites are scoring it..

[cljqnsnyc]

It's funny how people keep trying to write off user scores or explain them away. Did it ever occur to you that just maybe it's a reaction of the amount of disappointment being felt? If you look around at this and other sites the dissent is pretty high. Are they are trolls or people raiding forums? I doubt it. But that's just my opinion. I've said before that if you like the game, that's great but don't attack people for posting because they feel let down, as if it's some grand organized effort or conspiracy. They have as much right to give dissenting views as those who are enjoying the game.

[Aurgelmir]

Vxed wrote...

Aurgelmir wrote...

Its actually rather simple. If this was a great game then nobody would be wanting to down mark it anyway. If this was such a great game people would be scoring it high with perfect 10's. They're not doing that. Where is the organised campaigns to uprate it? If the people who hated the game rate it 0 and the people who loved the game rate it 10, then surely they are just as bad as each other.

People loving the game are still playing the game.. Not worried about what websites are scoring it..

And how much longer do you think that excuse is going to fly? a week?

[asaiasai]

J.F.C.C.McDondy wrote...

Thanks god I've cancelled the pre-order.

I did too sadly, i also took a week off of work to play DA2 but after the demo i realized the game was consolized and the detail oriented game play i enjoy was marginalized so i ordered some DLC for Civ 5 to take up my time. Thank the stars for Bethesda as they still know how to make a propper RPG. I will eventually buy DA2 but i will wait for a Steam "blow out the dissappointments weekend" when i can pick up a copy for around 30 bucks or less as this is what i feel the game is truly worth with all the stuff i enjoy being removed or minimalized by the design philosophy. It is the only way i know to show my displeasure at the design direction and hopefully they will return to what made me a fan if not there is always Bethesda who still do it right.

Asai

[Oshebia]

asaiasai wrote...

J.F.C.C.McDondy wrote...

Thanks god I've cancelled the pre-order.

I did too sadly, i also took a week off of work to play DA2 but after the demo i realized the game was consolized and the detail oriented game play i enjoy was marginalized so i ordered some DLC for Civ 5 to take up my time. Thank the stars for Bethesda as they still know how to make a propper RPG. I will eventually buy DA2 but i will wait for a Steam "blow out the dissappointments weekend" when i can pick up a copy for around 30 bucks or less as this is what i feel the game is truly worth with all the stuff i enjoy being removed or minimalized by the design philosophy. It is the only way i know to show my displeasure at the design direction and hopefully they will return to what made me a fan if not there is always Bethesda who still do it right.

Asai

Definitely wait for the sale, because it's not worth $60.  

This game should have been a console-only title and have an appropriate name like "Dragon Age: Kirkwall" or something like that.  Folks with XBoxes and PS3s would have love it, every review would have been in the high 90s, and there wouldn't be any of those polarizing threads that have "fanbois" and "trolls" fighting one another.

To call DA2 a sequel to what was probably the RPG of the decade is an isult.    

[Blablabla79]

ColdbringeR wrote...

User scores are worthless for a couple of reasons:

1. They have nothing to lose from giving a poor score. Their credibility is not at stake like a professional review writer.

Actually this makes user scores more reliable and usefull than "journalists" reviews. There was a news recently which said that medical journals which are partially funded by pharmaceutical advertising are less critical than the other medical journals.

Exactly the same is true for gaming magazines. Even if the advertising department is strictly separated from the editorial department, the journalists still know that they will pay if they don't play into the hands of the publishers. 
There are reviews of games, including DA2, which if you read the text are saying the game is mediocre, but they still give a 87 rating, which is actually supposed to be a "very good" rating, not a "mediocre". 

The Publisher than takes the 87 and prints it on the new batch of games knowing fully that the actual review text has a different rating, but that doesn't matter just the high number is important to lure in new consumers. 

Modifié par Blablabla79, 12 mars 2011 - 07:02 .

[Tokalla]

Blablabla79 wrote...

ColdbringeR wrote...

User scores are worthless for a couple of reasons:

1. They have nothing to lose from giving a poor score. Their credibility is not at stake like a professional review writer.

Actually this makes user scores more reliable and usefull than "journalists" reviews. There was a news recently which said that medical journals which are partially funded by pharmaceutical advertising are less critical than the other medical journals.

User reviews still fail to earn the credibility of "other medical journals", as those journals are still written by medical professionals staking their professional reputations on their work within that journal.  The reason the pharmaceutical journals are less critical is caused by the conflict of interest present.  While professional game reviewers may be subject to such a conflict of interest, the average user review has nothing to lose or gain based on what they rate.  Professional reviewers are at least under some pressure to be as objective as possible, unlike any consumer review.  Consumers are often upset due to paying for an item that doesn't live up to their expectations, regardless of whether that failure was merely due to personal preferences or actual poor total quality of the item itself.  To use those medical journals as an example, it is highly unlikely that any of the "other medical journals" has been written by someone who was upset that the drug being studied had no effect (or that they experienced side effects that upset them).  There is simply no valid way to compare video game user reviews and the independent medical journals.  All you have shown is that independent reviewers (who still do so professionally) might be more likely to be more critical of the games they review.

I feel that any user "review" that consists of nothing more than a numerical score with no actual supporting explaination of how said score was derived is utterly worthless.  Sure it may be that person's opinion, but an opinion is quite different than a review.  I also give little credit to reviews noting only vague statements with no backing (terrible graphics, bad story, poor characters, etc).  So far every user "review" giving a 3 or lower to Dragon Age 2 has been either vague or worthless.  Of course, I feel using numerical or symobolic representations of quality as a primary (or even major) source of input when deciding on purchasing anything as subjective as video games is foolish.  I prefer to search for reviewers who took the time to support the score they gave.  I read those reviews regardless of what score they may have given, as I truly don't care how they felt about the game.  Informed decisions are made by learning as much information as you can about the issue or item, and then applying it to your personal preferences/needs/etc.  That 692 out of 1093 people felt that the game deserved a 0-49 out of 100 tells me absolutely nothing about what I will think.

Modifié par Tokalla, 12 mars 2011 - 09:06 .

[HawXV2]

Sabiancym wrote...

Fans are betrayed, that's why. You can't take a fairly deep classic PC RPG and turn it into an action console game and not expect to ****** people off.

I'm very happy to see all the hate. Maybe bioware will think twice next time before releasing garbage.

Haters gotta hate, I see.

[The_mango55]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

It's funny how people keep trying to write off user scores or explain them away. Did it ever occur to you that just maybe it's a reaction of the amount of disappointment being felt? If you look around at this and other sites the dissent is pretty high. Are they are trolls or people raiding forums? I doubt it. But that's just my opinion. I've said before that if you like the game, that's great but don't attack people for posting because they feel let down, as if it's some grand organized effort or conspiracy. They have as much right to give dissenting views as those who are enjoying the game.

It's easy to write them off AS REVIEWS because they aren't remotely accurate or even interested in accuracy. People are expressing their disappointment, which is their right of course.

But it's also my right to say: "Terminator 2 is SO AWFUL, it took everything good about the first Terminator movie and COMPLETELY RUINED IT! I'm so disappointed in this garbage heap of a movie. WORST MOVIE EVER 0/10!"

I mean sure, it's my right to say that, but it's pretty clear that the movie isn't actually a zero out of 10 no matter what you think of it, so my review of the movie could be easily dismissed.

[Dragoonlordz]

MachDelta wrote...

The score was bombed by a flash mob.

Next question.

^^ This plus Metacritic is the lamest site for reviews there is as it's both open to abuse and is worthless.

[Gvaz]

The_mango55 wrote...

User scores are worthless.

They're worth slightly more than Review Scores, which after all their debacles I trust about as much a I trust a thief not to steal things.

[Mossa_missa]

LaughingDragon wrote...

Metacritic DA:II PC user score is 3.9/10  http://www.metacriti...c/dragon-age-ii

Metacritic DA:O PC user score 8.3/10  http://www.metacriti...gon-age-origins
 
So what caused a score to shift from 8.3 down to 3.9 from game 1 to game 2?

Discuss!

"Metacritic DA:II PC user score is 3.9/10" Easy to understand, most people only feel the need of say what they think if the product they got did not fulfill there every expectation. See it as a standalone game in the DA universe and you will enjoy it more. I hope DA3 continues Hawks story adn not Wardens.

[TrueAlucard]

Chaseroy wrote...

It's funny that all of these people who are talking about the death of the classic RPG - so you've got to assume they are adults - are behaving like complete children. About a video game, no less.

 This is so true. I grew up on Baldurs Gate and I am not angry about the game. Sad that I may never get another Baldurs Gate, but I will live. I still enjoy DA2.

[Literateminority]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

MachDelta wrote...

The score was bombed by a flash mob.

Next question.

^^ This plus Metacritic is the lamest site for reviews there is as it's both open to abuse and is worthless.

Yes, I agree. Means costumer have to express their opinions need to be havily regulated in order to not conflikt with what impressions and ratings the publisher want other possible costumer to get about their games. Heavily censorship and gulags for the very hard cases who do not want to learn and the problem will be solved! I love communism! Stalin is great!

Modifié par Literateminority, 12 mars 2011 - 04:50 .

[Marc999]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

You can't go trusting those metacritic reviews. Remember, it's a PROVEN FACT that ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE WHO POSTS there is from 4chan and are just trolling. At least that is the case for those who have negative things to say about DA2

Proven fact?  Oh really, I have written a few reviews on metacritic and I have no idea what 4chan is let alone be a member of 4chan?  You state that any DA2 negative reviews on metacritc are simply trolling?  Your broad sweeping statements will get you into trouble, be careful fella.

Modifié par Marc999, 12 mars 2011 - 04:50 .

[Ixalmaris]

Marc999 wrote...

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...

You can't go trusting those metacritic reviews. Remember, it's a PROVEN FACT that ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE WHO POSTS there is from 4chan and are just trolling. At least that is the case for those who have negative things to say about DA2

Proven fact?  Oh really, I have written a few reviews on metacritic and I have no idea what 4chan is let alone be a member of 4chan?  You state that any DA2 negative reviews on metacritc are simply trolling?  You broad sweeping statements will get you into trouble, be careful fella.

Your sarcasm detector need a recalibration.