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[Vadaum]

sorry i now it's an achievement i read the forum, i just said that the circunstances doesn't wroth side with the templar since they are a colossal pain in the head.

i still don't like neither of them.

[JasmoVT]

Yes you can become Vicount by siding with Templars. Trouble is you still get the standard Dragon Age epiloque the "...after a few years the hero wandered off to somewhere unknown" Really Bioware that is getting tired. Three times in a row the same cheap uncreative plot device.Sorry if I becam King or Vicount or Commander of the Grey there are no circumstnaces in which I would "wander off". If you guys have a person problem with committment keep it to yourselves. It is really time to stop putting this in every DA game.

End of rant

[lastpatriot]

katie916 wrote...

lx_theo wrote...

So can u become viscount as a Mage?

yep i did infact they begged me to be at the end

As a mage, why would you want to side with the Templars?  I'm playing a mage right now with the intent to wipe them all out.  Still, being the Viscount would be nice.  After getting the position, I suppose I could disband the Templars and burn down the Chantry....

Hawke is a good name for a dictator, right?

[Vadaum]

The "wonder off" thing doesn't mean that they are not loyal to what they stood for it just means that there is other places where the hero in question is needed.

[88mphSlayer]

Vadaum wrote...

sorry i now it's an achievement i read the forum, i just said that the circunstances doesn't wroth side with the templar since they are a colossal pain in the head.

i still don't like neither of them.

i find it easier to side with the templars since only meredith is the crazy one and well... you kill her no matter what you do

[Vadaum]

88mphSlayer wrote...

Vadaum wrote...

sorry i now it's an achievement i read the forum, i just said that the circunstances doesn't wroth side with the templar since they are a colossal pain in the head.

i still don't like neither of them.

i find it easier to side with the templars since only meredith is the crazy one and well... you kill her no matter what you do

easier maybe but you must admit that is not necessary to put mages like the templars do.

[88mphSlayer]

Vadaum wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

Vadaum wrote...

sorry i now it's an achievement i read the forum, i just said that the circunstances doesn't wroth side with the templar since they are a colossal pain in the head.

i still don't like neither of them.

i find it easier to side with the templars since only meredith is the crazy one and well... you kill her no matter what you do

easier maybe but you must admit that is not necessary to put mages like the templars do.

the way i see it taking over the templars and becoming viscount is better for kirkwall and its mages than destroying the templars outright, meredith's call for annulment dies with her and so does orsino's brand of crazy, i do wish we could've seen these decisions play out so we'd have more perspective on what they really mean,  but that's just how i view my decisions

[Vadaum]

88mphSlayer wrote...

Vadaum wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

Vadaum wrote...

sorry i now it's an achievement i read the forum, i just said that the circunstances doesn't wroth side with the templar since they are a colossal pain in the head.

i still don't like neither of them.

i find it easier to side with the templars since only meredith is the crazy one and well... you kill her no matter what you do

easier maybe but you must admit that is not necessary to put mages like the templars do.

the way i see it taking over the templars and becoming viscount is better for kirkwall and its mages than destroying the templars outright, meredith's call for annulment dies with her and so does orsino's brand of crazy, i do wish we could've seen these decisions play out so we'd have more perspective on what they really mean,  but that's just how i view my decisions

it is not the templars who decied the fate of the mages it is the chantry. defying the chantry in the game its like provoke the catolic church in the vatican not even viscount can best that only mass revolution like the revolution of mages can change their fate.

[Vadaum]

anyway even the templars begin their revolution after all the chantry uses them like addicts to lyrium and send them to be stuck with the mages in crowded rooms

[88mphSlayer]

Vadaum wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

Vadaum wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

Vadaum wrote...

sorry i now it's an achievement i read the forum, i just said that the circunstances doesn't wroth side with the templar since they are a colossal pain in the head.

i still don't like neither of them.

i find it easier to side with the templars since only meredith is the crazy one and well... you kill her no matter what you do

easier maybe but you must admit that is not necessary to put mages like the templars do.

the way i see it taking over the templars and becoming viscount is better for kirkwall and its mages than destroying the templars outright, meredith's call for annulment dies with her and so does orsino's brand of crazy, i do wish we could've seen these decisions play out so we'd have more perspective on what they really mean,  but that's just how i view my decisions

it is not the templars who decied the fate of the mages it is the chantry. defying the chantry in the game its like provoke the catolic church in the vatican not even viscount can best that only mass revolution like the revolution of mages can change their fate.

right because freedom for mages trumps having any sort of government in kirkwall at all

[Spectre46]

M-m-m...I suppose my only real concern/question is: If I, in fact, become this 'great & powerful' Viscount of Kirkwall, do I still get to slice, dice and vivisect that thoroughly reprehensibe 'Fright' Commander, Merrideth? Notwithstanding the peripheral-details of varying storyline-endings...SHE MUST DIE!! (Speck) The Spectre

[Augustei]

richrags wrote...

there is a side quest with Alistair and a conversation option is 'perhaps I could be viscount' I didn't pick though

He says no

[Vadaum]

right because freedom for mages trumps having any sort of government in kirkwall at all
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it doesn't matter, the mages want freedom from templar they don't care about goverment, becoming viscount or not won't affect the politics of kirkwall.

[Erustacus]

the reason why every main hero, "wanders off" is hinted at the end by leliana and the seeker, saying "he's disappeared just like the warden" , "that can not be coincidence" and it isn't as we see flemeth had a part to play at the beginning of each story, meaning flemeth creates these agents of change and calls on them perhaps for some greater purpose yet or because the task set out for them is finished. DA is doing this for a reason, and thats what im guessing it will be, something epic or just really weird.hehe.

[Kelthal]

Erustacus wrote...

the reason why every main hero, "wanders off" is hinted at the end by leliana and the seeker, saying "he's disappeared just like the warden" , "that can not be coincidence" and it isn't as we see flemeth had a part to play at the beginning of each story, meaning flemeth creates these agents of change and calls on them perhaps for some greater purpose yet or because the task set out for them is finished. DA is doing this for a reason, and thats what im guessing it will be, something epic or just really weird.hehe.

Could be... Or perhaps they just really suck at making epilogues.

[angj57]

Kelthal wrote...

Erustacus wrote...

the reason why every main hero, "wanders off" is hinted at the end by leliana and the seeker, saying "he's disappeared just like the warden" , "that can not be coincidence" and it isn't as we see flemeth had a part to play at the beginning of each story, meaning flemeth creates these agents of change and calls on them perhaps for some greater purpose yet or because the task set out for them is finished. DA is doing this for a reason, and thats what im guessing it will be, something epic or just really weird.hehe.

Could be... Or perhaps they just really suck at making epilogues.

Or perhaps they want to be able to make expansion packs without having to make two "ruler" and "not ruler" story lines and premises.

[LobselVith8]

lastpatriot wrote...

As a mage, why would you want to side with the Templars?  I'm playing a mage right now with the intent to wipe them all out.  Still, being the Viscount would be nice.  After getting the position, I suppose I could disband the Templars and burn down the Chantry....

Hawke is a good name for a dictator, right?

Technically, you would has as much power as the templars permitted you to have, since they would still be the power of eastern Thedas and Kirkwall. And the last Viscount who tried to expel the templars was murdered by them...

As for wiping them out, I saw little choice. Either Hawke is an apostate or his sister is in the Circle of Kirkwall, and Hawke doesn't know anything about the actual mages and apprentices living in the Gallows aside from what Bethany wrote in her letter. Speculations about what the enchanters, mages, and apprentices whom the protagonist has never met aside, Guard-Captain Aveline has her people protecting the civilians, and Meredith has kept the city-state in an iron grip under her dictatorship. I'm not inclined to side with Meredith even as a rogue Hawke. Bethany is in the Circle, Cullen doesn't think that mages should be treated as people and views them as weapons, and Meredith is condemning all the Circle mages and apprentices to exeution because of something Anders did.

[venusara]

LobselVith8 wrote...


Technically, you would has as much power as the templars permitted you to have, since they would still be the power of eastern Thedas and Kirkwall. And the last Viscount who tried to expel the templars was murdered by them...

As for wiping them out, I saw little choice. Either Hawke is an apostate or his sister is in the Circle of Kirkwall, and Hawke doesn't know anything about the actual mages and apprentices living in the Gallows aside from what Bethany wrote in her letter. Speculations about what the enchanters, mages, and apprentices whom the protagonist has never met aside, Guard-Captain Aveline has her people protecting the civilians, and Meredith has kept the city-state in an iron grip under her dictatorship. I'm not inclined to side with Meredith even as a rogue Hawke. Bethany is in the Circle, Cullen doesn't think that mages should be treated as people and views them as weapons, and Meredith is condemning all the Circle mages and apprentices to exeution because of something Anders did.

If Hawke brings Bethany into the Deep Roads at the end of act 1 she
won't be in the circle, she will either be dead or made into a Grey
Warden (if you also have Anders w/ you). Next playthough she will become
a Gray Warden (although I hear she doesn't like it much [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/uncertain.png[/smilie]), cause I plan
to side with the templars to see what the alternate quests are and
become Viscount. I just can't bring myself to be okay with the right of
annulment while my sister is in the circle!

[Nashiktal]

LobselVith8 wrote...

lastpatriot wrote...

As a mage, why would you want to side with the Templars?  I'm playing a mage right now with the intent to wipe them all out.  Still, being the Viscount would be nice.  After getting the position, I suppose I could disband the Templars and burn down the Chantry....

Hawke is a good name for a dictator, right?

Technically, you would has as much power as the templars permitted you to have, since they would still be the power of eastern Thedas and Kirkwall. And the last Viscount who tried to expel the templars was murdered by them...

As for wiping them out, I saw little choice. Either Hawke is an apostate or his sister is in the Circle of Kirkwall, and Hawke doesn't know anything about the actual mages and apprentices living in the Gallows aside from what Bethany wrote in her letter. Speculations about what the enchanters, mages, and apprentices whom the protagonist has never met aside, Guard-Captain Aveline has her people protecting the civilians, and Meredith has kept the city-state in an iron grip under her dictatorship. I'm not inclined to side with Meredith even as a rogue Hawke. Bethany is in the Circle, Cullen doesn't think that mages should be treated as people and views them as weapons, and Meredith is condemning all the Circle mages and apprentices to exeution because of something Anders did.

I took a somewhat similar stance. I was very, VERY angry and confused at how many blood mages seemed to be doing their best to ruin my day. (Even kidnapping my sibling!) My Hawke was so angry and annoyed with the mages he almost called it quits and let the templar do their job without mediation.

However with Bethany in the circle Hawke took a step back, and reluctantly sided with the mages. (with his eye on every one of them in the process, as it turns out his suspicion turned correct and even more mages turned.) So I casued a rebellion in the name of a group I wanted to see put down, all because of Bethany.

[Inveracity]

I see a lot of useless posts on here all for help with a trophy.

[kyle3722]

Can you only be viscount in the end because i think i recall being able to say " i could be viscount " during the earlier story part but i didn't choose it.

[kyle3722]

Can you only be viscount in the end because i think i recall being able to say " i could be viscount " during the earlier story part but i didn't choose it.

[LobselVith8]

kyle3722 wrote...

Can you only be viscount in the end because i think i recall being able to say " i could be viscount " during the earlier story part but i didn't choose it.

You need to side with Meredith and the Right of Annulment in order to be Viscount, which doesn't mean much considering how little power the Viscounts have actually had under the Order of Templars.

[Flomulus]

After my first playthough as a warrior I sided with the Templars and they all bowed after my character had to deal with crazy old Meredith. but still I did not get the Viscount achievement for PC. Not that it would matter because you can't actually do anything with those achievements on the pc.

Furthermore, I believe that the whole purpose of the game was to set the story up for part III in which we will have to face the holy war between the Chantry and mages and hopefully we will be able to acutally mediate a peaceful solution ... but probably Morrigan will show up with her godsoul son and fights Flemeth and all hell breaks lose which would be interesting but I reall want to see Val Rayeoux . Bodhain indicated that he and the boy would go to Orlais so there may be a chance to see it preferably as my old Warden commander.

[Jonezymon2]

I think he means that the fact that you do not get to exercise that power is most dissatisfactory