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[Officer Nice]

Looking around the forums, I've been seeing a lot of PC players saying stuff about console players. Is there any particular reason why? I would assume it's because console gamers usually get the DLC first and etc.

Modifié par Officer Nice, 11 mars 2011 - 09:03 .

[Pious_Augustus]

Elitists, snobbery and SecuRom

[Officer Nice]

SecuRom?

[mousestalker]

I play on the PC. I do not harbour any animosity towards anyone based upon their possessions. At this point, I'm pretty sure I don't hate anyone.

That includes Justin Beiber.

[AshedMan]

I own a PC, PS3, and Xbox 360. Each system has exclusives or styles of games that play better on one system than the other. I love games, regardless of the platform.

[kilmindaro]

It's more about games being dumbed down for consoles, and then ported, usually badly, to PC, i think.

[ColaQueen]

mousestalker wrote...

I play on the PC. I do not harbour any animosity towards anyone based upon their possessions. At this point, I'm pretty sure I don't hate anyone.

That includes Justin Beiber.

I pretty much hate Justin Beiber.

To the OP, not so concerned what PC gamers think or don't think about me being on a console although I've never experienced any negative comments myself. Generally I find I'm more jealous of them because of mods.

[Leinadi]

The reason that it exists is that developers (rightly or wrongly) tend to dumb down series' whenever they get unleashed on consoles. Furthermore, the PC is often treated as a sorta console on its own (ports are often crappily done) when in reality, the PC platform excels in very different areas than a console does.

Hating console players is obviously stupid because it's a way too huge a generalization. There are console players who enjoy complex games as well. But since consoles are so prominent in this day and age, the "lowest common denominator" is viewed as being mainly on consoles. I think this is true, but like I said, it's such a gross generalization that you can't say that "console players are x or y".

[DragonRageGT]

kilmindaro wrote...

It's more about games being dumbed down for consoles, and then ported, usually badly, to PC, i think.

This. Plus I don't hate console gamers at all. I hate console games! Mostly because they're never released for the PC and because of bad ports, really. When a console game has a good port, like Fable TLC, I really enjoy playing them on the PC.

[Quixal]

I dislike the effect the sheer number of console players is having on an industry I love much for the reasons Leinadi stated. I don't hate console gamers. Or Justin Beiber for that matter. Why would I?

[Godak]

I play as many games as I can, on as many different platforms as I can.

The whole "PC Gamer vs. Console Gamer" bit does pretty awful things to a group of people who have probably already been ostracized at some point in their life...do we really need extra walls of separation WITHIN our "group"?

[7th_Phoenix]

AshedMan wrote...

I love games, regardless of the platform.

This applies to me as well.

[DragonLady13]

I agree with RageGT. I play on a PC and I loved Fable TLC.

[A Killing Sound]

7th_Phoenix wrote...

AshedMan wrote...

I love games, regardless of the platform.

This applies to me as well.

I also fall into this catagory.  Can't we gamers just get along!?

[lv12medic]

Because PC gamers are jealous of the Console Gamers comfy couches and recliner chairs.  PC gamers are stuck with horrible task chairs.  And holding "W" all day to move around really makes PC gamers fingers sore.

All the aches and pains add up and makes PC gamers grouchy.

(I'm being silly here... just so people know.  Can't tell how people will react on the BSN lately.)

[Morbo]

Ah yes, the "dumbing down"....console gamers really aren't any less smart than PC gamers, so any dumbing down that happens with console games should be taken as an insult to their intelligence. Sure, with the more complex simulator games it's hard not to simplify things, but with other stuff? They should just put some effort into developing a good control scheme so the lack of keys won't be a problem.
Make the console games no less complex as what us PC gamers are used to and we'll have less problems with the ports. Of course they'll still have to bother with doing some proper optimisation for PC hardware though.

[SleeplessInSigil]

I dislike consoles because they cannibalize the PC market without offering anything better or different, which is the same reason I love the Wii and DS, which offer a different gaming experience not conveniently possible on a PC (or PC-like console.)

I dislike PC gaming for being stubborn about moving away from the primitive keyboard control system.

Modifié par SleeplessInSigil, 12 mars 2011 - 01:07 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

PC gamers (some of them, anyway) hate console gamers because they see console gamers as a symptom of a bigger and more threatening problem.

As console gamers are often quick to point out, PC gaming has a barrier to entry. It's not cost (though that claim is also often made), but it's a willingness to learn a bunch of fiddly technical details in order to play. This used to be more true than it is now (EMS/XMS anyone?), but the consequence of this barrier was that computer games (I still think it's valuable to draw a distinction between computer games and video games) were aimed at a market filled with people who spent their leisure time doing fairly technical things.

In 1980, if you wanted to turn off your brain and have some fun, you watched television, or you went ouside and threw a ball. You did not worry about memory allocation. As such, the computer game market basically excluded people who lacked either the desire or aptitude to learn how to use computers effectively. Since any product will be aimed at the centre of its market, these people were exactly the people for whom computer games were made.

Since then, computers have become more user friendly. More people can use them (arguably all people can use them - now they're only excluded from the market by a lack of desire, not a lack of aptitude). Consoles are the ultimate user-friendly computer (as is any purpose-built computer devise, like the controls on your washing machine, or your microwave oven), and thus they offer a much broader market for games.

And as before, the games are aimed at the centre of that market. But these PC gamers, who used to be the centre of that market, are now marginalised, and their preferences are now characterised as niche.

[Bad King]

Conssol gamer's ar raelly stuppid. We PC gamer's ar e way moar smart and littarate

[slimgrin]

For the same reason I disdain Harry Potter and Micheal Bay. I feel that the console market represents a mainstreaming of the industry. It discourages indie gaming and risk taking by developers. I dislike the pandering to teenage fantasies, the endless parade of games for kids and not for adults, the abuse of dlc, the silly gimmicks that make appearances every 5 yrs or so, the limitations of hardware and control inputs...

I'll stop there.


Edit: well put Sylvius

Modifié par slimgrin, 12 mars 2011 - 12:03 .

[Drake Sigar]

I don’t hate console crowd. I hate specific demographics within the console crowd. People who contribute to the ruination of an industry which has been a passionate hobby and a link to my father. I’m talking about people who fritter their money away on special edition games which contain nothing more than the extras you’d find for free on a movie DVD set and a plastic figurine made exclusively in Chinese sweatshops. People who buy yearly sequels of Call of Duty and Guitar Hero which have less change than the $60 annual Madden roster update. People who scream racial profanities into their microphone, drunk on what little power the anonymity of an online alias gives them.

But I think what it really comes down to is that the consoles are a corporate monopoly. Players are even taking sides. “My corporation is better than yours!” Anyone can develop a game for the PC. ANYONE. It’s a free market.

[Pious_Augustus]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

PC gamers (some of them, anyway) hate console gamers because they see console gamers as a symptom of a bigger and more threatening problem.

As console gamers are often quick to point out, PC gaming has a barrier to entry. It's not cost (though that claim is also often made), but it's a willingness to learn a bunch of fiddly technical details in order to play. This used to be more true than it is now (EMS/XMS anyone?), but the consequence of this barrier was that computer games (I still think it's valuable to draw a distinction between computer games and video games) were aimed at a market filled with people who spent their leisure time doing fairly technical things.

In 1980, if you wanted to turn off your brain and have some fun, you watched television, or you went ouside and threw a ball. You did not worry about memory allocation. As such, the computer game market basically excluded people who lacked either the desire or aptitude to learn how to use computers effectively. Since any product will be aimed at the centre of its market, these people were exactly the people for whom computer games were made.

Since then, computers have become more user friendly. More people can use them (arguably all people can use them - now they're only excluded from the market by a lack of desire, not a lack of aptitude). Consoles are the ultimate user-friendly computer (as is any purpose-built computer devise, like the controls on your washing machine, or your microwave oven), and thus they offer a much broader market for games.

And as before, the games are aimed at the centre of that market. But these PC gamers, who used to be the centre of that market, are now marginalised, and their preferences are now characterised as niche.

He correct even for games like Street Fighter II on the PC and all the games on the PC in the 80s you had to actually read the instructions and take a long quiz before even playing the game and then your game might be intrupted to take another quiz after a certain amount of games....PC Games suffered around this point when people announced PC Gaming was dead lol

[SleeplessInSigil]

Modifié par SleeplessInSigil, 12 mars 2011 - 12:51 .