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John Newton wrote...

Officer Nice wrote...

Looking around the forums, I've been seeing a lot of PC players saying stuff about console players. Is there any particular reason why? I would assume it's because console gamers usually get the DLC first and etc.


Because consoles are the wave of the future, or will be. 

And that one day there will be no PC's perhaps...

My statement above is not intendant to start a flame war.


i came in here planning on being reasonable, but.

GTFO.

A stream lined Piece of crap with almost no way to mod,  and no way to get around DRM is the future? what the actual ****, And you guys ruin RPGs too. :crying:

PC+MAC gaming Forever.

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there a bit more freedom with the console verison of their games,well speech wise.if your pc appearently you have to abid by not saying anything in the forums,untell their able to patch console games to a lock...lol...i like playing console,but pc is more indepth with games

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What Sylvius the Mad sad.
And, no, we don't hate you guys.

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It discourages indie gaming and risk taking by developers.


........?

Have you not seen the vast wealth of Indie and arcade titles available on services like Xbox live and PSN? I'm not as familiar with PSN, but on Xbox live there is an entire "Indie games" section with 100's of fun little titles for like $1-$3. In reality, the console market is doing the exact opposite of what you describe.

For example, I like Tim Schafer (Psychonauts, Brutal Legend, etc.). Brutal Legend 2 got cancelled because the bosses decided Brutal Legend didn't perform well enough. So instead, Schafer has been creating smaller arcade titles (Costume Quest and Stacking so far). Without that arcade market, would he even still have a studio?

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I wonder this myself, I was both a PC gamer and a consoles player. I loved games on both, and I still do, and I never been a system fanboy. And PC games are in general harder than most on a console, which might lead to some "Big headedness", Most of my friends minus one hated playing PC games short of what you see on some simple arcade sites. And they see the every growing, when in fact its pretty much always been bigger, taking over. This is more to do with economics and a smaller number of developers in a limited high risk market.

Though the whole I USE PC SO I IS SMART U'S USE BABY MACHINE AND R DUMB! May be partially true I've seen plenty of PC gamers who are dumber than hell. I just don't understand it at all, some of the crap I've seen mainly with the DA2 board. Then again gaming was never central with me, its one of my most loved hobbies yes, but growing up I was like a nerd, but at the same time a nerd who was highly destructive, and did backyard brawls on the weekends for fun.

Maybe thats the core of it, most of them may have so much time and love invested in it that its central to there life. As the same if someone stole my martial arts equipment, books, games and guns.


EDIT To add on to Wickeds remark.

You can also look at mod database http://www.moddb.com you have a TON of Indie games open to the public being worked on now, also a great place to find mods for most PC games.

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KenKenpachi wrote...
 both a PC gamer and a consoles player


Halfbreed!

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I have nothing against console gamers.  I don't like the direction that the industry is going.  Consoles are the reason for this direction.  Xbox from MS more so than anything else, I think.

PC gaming means freedom.  Freedom to take advantage of the horsepower that you got under the hood.  Freedom to mod the game, or use someone else's mod for the game.  Freedom to "patch" the game.  Freedom to bypass draconian DRM.  There is a caveat though.  You got to be willing to troubleshoot and tweak.  I like to troubleshoot and tweak.  I usually learn something from it as well.  The community can turn a decent game into a great game. 

The PC version of DAO will be modded for years to come.  Can't say the same about DA2 though, at least not yet.  It's catered to the consoles.

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It's the pack mentality of human beings mostly. We like to feel part of something and that usually involves drawing lines in the sand and saying our side of the sand is better. Happens with sports teams and all the way to what you game on. PS3 players say they are the best X Box 360 argue against them and it's the same with the PC/Console devide with each side wanting to feel they are somehow superior. There are advantages to both PC and Console gaming personally i do both and enjoy them equally.

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Volus Warlord wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...
 both a PC gamer and a consoles player


Halfbreed!

Pft flattery will get you nowhere!

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Sylvius the Mad wrote...

As console gamers are often quick to point out, PC gaming has a barrier to entry. It's not cost (though that claim is also often made), but it's a willingness to learn a bunch of fiddly technical details in order to play. This used to be more true than it is now (EMS/XMS anyone?), but the consequence of this barrier was that computer games (I still think it's valuable to draw a distinction between computer games and video games) were aimed at a market filled with people who spent their leisure time doing fairly technical things.

In 1980, if you wanted to turn off your brain and have some fun, you watched television, or you went ouside and threw a ball. You did not worry about memory allocation. As such, the computer game market basically excluded people who lacked either the desire or aptitude to learn how to use computers effectively. Since any product will be aimed at the centre of its market, these people were exactly the people for whom computer games were made.


Create your 3.5" start-up floppy.  Insert.  Boot up.  Memory issue solved. 

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kilmindaro wrote...

It's more about games being dumbed down for consoles, and then ported, usually badly, to PC, i think.

This.

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Officer Nice wrote...

Looking around the forums, I've been seeing a lot of PC players saying stuff about console players. Is there any particular reason why? I would assume it's because console gamers usually get the DLC first and etc.


It's not so much that most PC gamers hate console gamers or vice versa.  I don't know you, so why would I hate you.  I'm sure there are exceptions on both sides, but I digress.  The issue is, as I see it, that for some people on forums, it is easier to make generalized statements, than have a rational conversation about the differences.  There are a few obvious reasons that I can think of.  One is that forums are relatively anonymous, and people can be more rude and inconsiderate than would normally take place.  Second is that many people are passionate about their platform of choice; the harsh words run both ways, "PC elitists," "Console's suck,"  PC's suck more," yada yada yada.  People don't like to be criticized or feel attacked, so you get the whole "fanboy," "troll" BS.  Of course, there are some people who just like to try to bully others and make people angry by being insulting or deliberatly "provocative."  Personally, I think it's an immature cry for attention and a desire to feel superior to someone.  It's like someone who always needs to have the last word.

I have a console and a PC.  Each platform has advantages and disadvantages.  Console games are great for sports games, and action type games that take advantage of the controller.  PC games have generally been better at single player RTS games, where the AI can take advantage of the CPU power, the keyboard set-up allows for more hotkeys (allowing more control) and the graphics are generally better at higher resolutions, allowing the user to see more of the map onscreen at once, and generally have taken advantage of the larger HD space to pack "more game" onto the disc.

Part of the reason for some of the vitriol being aimed at console users is due to the perceived hijacking, and mutation, of the RPG genre by designing them for the console market and then porting them to the PC market with enhanced graphics and little change to gameplay/design.  Doing so does not take advantage of the strengths of the PC as a gaming platform.  Unfortunately, as a culture, we are easily amused by razzle dazzle and brand loyalty (or so the publishers think). 

That's why many reviews focus on the graphics and sound design over level design, gameplay and replayability.  It's also why movies by big studios are generally unimpressive.  There are exceptions, but those are usually labors of love by producers/directors/writers who have made the studio lots of money.  Zack Snyder couldn't make Watchmen without the huge success of 300, Chris Nolan wouldn't have been able to make Inception without the Batman movies, etc.  Bioware wouldn't have been able to make DA:O without the success of their previous titles.  What generally happens in the entertainment industry (focus on the industry) is that the executives are risk averse; it takes a lot of money to make a game, and the most cost effective way to make a profit is to market it to the largest demographic.  For years, the mantra of Hollywood was, "Will it play in Peoria?"  If the people in New York and California are bored and stay away, who cares, they're "elitist snobs" anyway. 

If an original game is a huge hit, the market is immediately flooded by sequels and imitations.  Some are better, most not.  I'm almost certain that EA saw the huge sales figures that ME2 had, with stripped down gameplay and mechanics (which let's be honest, costs less to produce in both time and budget), and figured that with similar mechanics and gameplay applied to the DA property, which already had a loyal fan base, and consumer good will (in the form of sales, professional and player reviews) and decided to merge the two to reach the widest possible audience.  Look at the original Star Wars compared to Phantom Menace, or Raiders of the Lost Ark and The Crystal Skull.  Many of the original fans, who loved the originals reviled the sequels as an attempt to cash in on the franchise (the special effects were awesome, but to many the heart of the originals seemed lacking.  This is what I, as a PC gamer, see in the latest generation of console oriented games.  They're all flash and little substance.  Is some of this nostalgia?  Probably, I grew up on PC games.  Is this biased?  As all hell, but you asked my opinion, so there it is.   

Modifié par TheKnave69, 12 mars 2011 - 05:06 .


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I think the whole PC vs. Console argument is BS. I mean unless there are hardware limitations due to aging consoles or controllers not having as many buttons and options as keyboard/mouse, then there is no reason for gamers to be arguing over this stuff.

Developers are really just trying to cut developing costs and time for games by simplifying them. Instead of gamers coming together and protesting this trend, they are at each other's throats over the difference between PC and console. Or you have developers citing console sales being higher so they get priority for development. It's all BS. They are just trying to justify putting out lesser products by cutting costs and development time so they can make more of a profit.

Unfinished, rushed games are what all of us get, and it's only going to get worse if people keep on paying for it. Day 1 DLC you have to pay for that could have been in the game. Unfinished and recycled dungeon maps. Shorter games. Lack of challenge due to shorter development on gameplay and weaker mechanics. More and more bugs.

As long as people keep on paying for this crap, they'll keep on pushing it on us. I think console gamers could appreciate a long rpg with more features, better mechanics, story, and character development just as much as PC gamers, but we're never going to get it from a big company at this rate. Gaming companies need an incentive to put polished games out. So unless they start losing money from putting out games every 1 to 2 years, or a significant population of gamers comes together demanding better games (probably at least 500k to 1 million) nothing is ever going to get done in the interest of gamers.

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I have both gaming PC and PS3 and I came across with only two kinds of people those who hate and those who try to respect no matter the platform... I put myself to the latter one in most cases...

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I play games on every platform I can get my hands on. I don't have anything against the console GAMERS. What annoys me is the way the porting of games from consoles to computers are handled. It has nothing to do about intelligence level or anything about the GAMERS that play on consoles.

The fact is that developers have to adapt the game for consoles, which means less accuracy (no mouse) and less buttons (no keyboard) to use in the game. This leads to games that are focused on consoles and then ported to computers with often controls that are not suited for the mouse/keyboard combination. It often happens that they are also badly hardware optimized and require too much power comparing to what they give back visually.

One example of the control problem is Dragon Age 2. After I played it on consoles I actually felt that it was a perfect fit with the new direction the game had taken. Later I tried it on my computer and it felt like a completely different game. Sure, it is playable, but it was clear that the game was made with consoles in mind. I also asked people from the Bioware team (during Gamex in Sweden) specifically why they chose to streamline the game and make it more action-oriented. The answer I got was that the changes were made to give players a better experience on consoles.

In the end it doesn't really matter. I like playing games. I like playing well-made games. I don't care which console or computer they are released to. If the game is good I will be there playing it. I just wish more games, especially from the RPG genre, were released for computers and used the keyboard and mouse.

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I was superstitious about consoles at first, but I didn't hate them or the players. been playing on my brother's PS3 a bit now and had quite some fun. I'll put it this way - consoles have advantages over the PC, just as well the PC has advantages over the consoles. None are perfect, they can't be, but neither of them is bad.

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If it wasnt for PC's, consoles would not have any games to play with....Pc is and will be the platform for everything forever

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Game consoles have existed for almost as long as PC games.  People act like this is a new phenomenon simply because the consoles are getting so sophisticated now that they start to infringe on the PC game market and draw publishers away from the PC as a platform.  One of the reasons why current consoles became popular is the "plug-and-play" quality of consoles.  You don't have to install games, you don't have to worry about operating system or DirectX compatibility, you don't have to deal with headaches like SecuRom, nor do you have to worry about the system being able to handle it.  Any game you buy for a specific console is guaranteed to run on that console.  PC games require more time to get it to work, and that relative inaccessibility puts some people off.  Are these people "stupid" or "immature" or "ADD?"  No, they just prefer a more casual approach to gaming.

Of course, the accessibility gap between consoles and PC is growing narrower, which is fueling the feeling of ostracization of PC gamers.  The whole victim mentality (coupled with entitlement and superiority complexes) is made worse when far more games come out for consoles than PCs nowadays.  I can sympathize.  I didn't get a game console until 2005; for most of my life I've been a PC gamer and I still love PC games.  But you have to realize that plenty of games are much better suited to consoles, even whole genres, like racing games.  These things have expanded the industry, and many of the developers that work on PC games get much of their funding from these console hits.  It seems counterproductive to complain about these things, since it is all interrelated.

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Egunnun wrote...

If it wasnt for PC's, consoles would not have any games to play with....Pc is and will be the platform for everything forever

LMAO wow thats rich, yeah the PC helped make Atari, and then Nintendo. Yeah sure think that BS all you want. In fact both may be phased outi n the near future. By VRI systems.

In fact PC's have never been common in my area to start with. Hell theres more of them now than even 7 years ago. And 85-90% of people here use them for shopping/social networking. Most game sales here are consoles based, to the point most stores in Eastern NC don't have, or carry few PC games.

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KenKenpachi wrote...

Egunnun wrote...

If it wasnt for PC's, consoles would not have any games to play with....Pc is and will be the platform for everything forever

LMAO wow thats rich, yeah the PC helped make Atari, and then Nintendo. Yeah sure think that BS all you want. In fact both may be phased outi n the near future. By VRI systems.

In fact PC's have never been common in my area to start with. Hell theres more of them now than even 7 years ago. And 85-90% of people here use them for shopping/social networking. Most game sales here are consoles based, to the point most stores in Eastern NC don't have, or carry few PC games.


Pc's and pc gamig isn't dying out, no matter how much console players may wish this. They've been wishing it for like 15 yrs now. It ain't gonna happen. 

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slimgrin wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...

Egunnun wrote...

If it wasnt for PC's, consoles would not have any games to play with....Pc is and will be the platform for everything forever

LMAO wow thats rich, yeah the PC helped make Atari, and then Nintendo. Yeah sure think that BS all you want. In fact both may be phased outi n the near future. By VRI systems.

In fact PC's have never been common in my area to start with. Hell theres more of them now than even 7 years ago. And 85-90% of people here use them for shopping/social networking. Most game sales here are consoles based, to the point most stores in Eastern NC don't have, or carry few PC games.


Pc's and pc gamig isn't dying out, no matter how much console players may wish this. They've been wishing it for like 15 yrs now. It ain't gonna happen. 

As a PC player in the RTS market, and former subscriber of PCGamer magazine, I'ld say otherwise, and as I said in my region its never been popular. Most people when they ask about PC games around here I ask them what system specs or video cards they have, and they just look at me like a confused doggie, plus all of the stores here have a NO RETURN policy on all PC games, thus its rare to even see a PC game sell.  And like it or not Consoles make alot more money Numbers don't lie, and you still have not counter proven my claim in reguards to Nintendo, and Atari, In Europe PC (gaming) sales may be good in America not so, In South Korea most of its Just Starcraft,  your just an angry person and if you wish to bicker some more take it to PM please.. Anyways thank you for making me forget what I came here to say...

Now what was it, ah yes. Ah about the bad ports, I had the Saints Row 2 port on my PC, I have it on my 360, but I love mods, always playing with the XML coding on SW:EAW/FoC. But that port was just ****ty, if you can manage to drive in that game and not screw up or get vertigo, then you are the king of gaming.

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same reason console gamers dislike motion controls and facebook games

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I have a 360, wii and PC.

the only thing I hate is ps3 which is week (I should know, mine broke)

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I own both and play on both and what I can say is this

Why some PC players might get angry is because they feel their is wasted potential that is catered to consoles because of a larger audiance. Games are generally simplified on consoles to reach these bigger audiances, and the PC players feel that the ending games could have been so much more.

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I have PC, PS3 and a PSP so I don't really hate console gamers. Only 360  and Halo fanboys who are tools because the Xbox is one of the worst consoles ever made.