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[Ozzyfan223]

I mean, the cataclysmic response and aftermath of the DA2 launch has sent repercussive doubt and distaste for a company that has always been loved and respected by it's fans and the gaming community as a whole. Whether DA2 was rushed or not is a matter of debate, and I think the DA franchise can be saved from a stellar 3rd game. But if ME3 fails, or feels rushed, I think its proof Bioware has lost its touch.

I happen to like DA2. Is it their usual greatness? No, but it is something I enjoy playing and I love the characters. If ME3 succeeds, and lives up the hype gathered from ME2, it will put the ME series in to the histroy books of gaming. But if it fails, and we are left with a game thats even 95% done, Bioware will be responsible for containing a wave of flames greater than the world has ever known.

[Vyse_Fina]

Been discussed in like 3 other topcis. Nobody can really tell. Need more info. Enemies everywhere.

[Ty2011]

As long as Bioware listen to their fans then they'll be fine. Hopefully in the future they'll keep focusing on what people actually care about, which are the characters and the story. It won't be easy to live up to people's expectations, but I believe in them.

[Pwener2313]

After the DA2 inccident, yes, yes it is. They should abandon DA entirely and concentrate on making ME4,5,6 ect.

[RainyDayLover]

I honestly don't get all the hate for DA2 but then I don't play Bioware games for anything other than the storytelling and characters at which DA2 excels at -- even more so than both of the Mass Effect games.

[N7Armada]

The fact is it could be amazing and it will still get hate. Man look at ME2 the game received over 100 GOTY awards and some people on here think it's worse than a volus in Fornax. Bam!

[Kondorr]

Last Hope?
When did BioWare make a bad rpg the Last time?
I haven't played Jade Empire... although I have it... but as far as I remember it got great reviews...
Kotor was AMAZING
Mass Effect is simply mind blowing...
DA:O and DA:A were really a joy... and up until now DA2 gets quite positive reviews AND is a joy to play...
The guys at BioWare have a Hitrate like Pixar in movies... and buy doing so... they secured me as a returning and paying customer.

I play other companies games just to shorten the time between Bioware games... (The Witcher is an exception... here, but everything else ain't)

[Matt VT Schlo]

"We will destroy them!"

Dude, we all need to get over the kneejerk reactions that are DA2. I have concerns as many, but hope they'll take the critcisms seriously

[Phaedon]

DA2 has been getting positive professional reviews so far.

[vader da slayer]

any backlash at DA2's release should be directed at EA as they are teh publisher and have the say so in DLC release timing (to a point) and price.

[adneate]

It's not so much as "A Last Hope" as a kind of last straw. If BioWare ignores the fans once again and doesn't address some of the issues that ME2 has I think a lot of people will lose interest in the company. Since it will prove that they are too arrogant to accept criticism of any kind.

[Thompson family]

Deja Vu all over again. A year ago, ME2 had BioWare slipping off the brink of the abyss.

This isn't a forum. It's a drama queen chat room.

[ifander]

Ozzyfan223 wrote...

I mean, the cataclysmic response and aftermath of the DA2 launch has sent repercussive doubt and distaste for a company that has always been loved and respected by it's fans and the gaming community as a whole.

Hyperbole, anyone? I think BioWare deserves some credit for trying to move RPG's in a new direction. The genre is evolving, thanks to their efforts. If it were up to some of the... people... on these forums then the RPG genre would go down the same path as the FPS. Meaning it would never change.

[GHOST OF FRUITY]

For some, i'm sure people will look at ME3 as Bioware's 'last chance saloon'. Some felt that ME2 was the game that represented Bioware's fall from grace (I don't for the record) - others felt that way with Jade Empire and the first Mass Effect. For my own view, I don't think it'll be a good thing for Bioware or EA to be seen to have compromised ME3 purely to maximise sales. Fans of ME are passionate and would never forgive them. And i'd be right there handing out torches and pitchforks!!

I only hope that the response to Dragon Age 2 makes Bioware and EA think a little more about who the target audience is for ME3. It's great to try and pull in new fans, try out new things etc, but put more faith in the people that have bought your games over the years too. We obviously loved them as we kept on buying them! Baldurs Gate, Kotor - Look back a little at what made those games so popular and why they've endured.

[Thompson family]

True story. I was a big fan of the Total War series. The series went into the gunpowder era, and I didn't much care for that. More than three years ago, I quit posting on their forums or playing their games. I didn't complain or whine or tell them what a huge mistake they were making. I just left. I didn't even buy "Napoleon: Total War."

Shogun II: Total War's coming out Tuesday. I'll buy it and play it. And I went back to the old forum today and tried to sign in again, but my e-mail address has changed. I've e-mailed that forum's moderators. If I can get my old avatar back, I'll start posting on it again.

More than three years have passed, and with a little luck I'll be back like nothing ever happened.

There's no such thing as last chances or never being able to get your mojo back. Even if BioWare went out of business, somebody somewhere and some day would try everything new again.

Remember all that stuff when ME2 came out, about what a groundbreaking, genre-spanning new innovation it was? The praise was broadly deserved but overblown. ME2 reminded me of the great old PC game "Mafia," only with a dialogue tree.

Everything old will be new again.

Modifié par Thompson family, 11 mars 2011 - 10:17 .

[neal sonntag]

I think DA2 went in a similar direction as ME2 did. ME3 will be good because of the story and will be even better if they bring back certain themes from the first ME. Im enjoying DA2 and dont understand a lot of the hate.

[Rekkampum]

Sorry if you didn't know, but this topic has been posted god knows how many times. Try searching for earlier posts like this one to avoid getting your topic locked or deleted. Oh, and let's acquaint ourselves with FACTS.

Fact 1: DA 2 was developed by entirely different department of Bioware than Mass Effect 2.

Fact 2: DA 2 was rushed, as evidence suggests.

Fact 3: Mass Effect 3 was being developed well before ME 2 was released.

Fact 4: Mass Effect 2's engine for PS3 is the one that will be used for ME3.

Conclusion: Hudson and his team are handling it appropriately, and you should expect nothing but the best from them. It's also a little premature to predict Bioware's "fall" when they have yet another department working on what will be one of the year's biggest MMO's on the year it releases.

[darknoon5]

DA and ME have different teams, so no, this is not the end of ME or Bioware as we know it. I have a feeling a DA3 being made is questionable, but as I have yet to play the 2nd game, I can't really comment on how good it is, just that the ME series is not going to suffer because the DA series has.

Next?

Modifié par darknoon5, 11 mars 2011 - 10:21 .

[Shockwave81]

Where are all of these bad reviews? I type 'Dragon Age 2 reviews' into a Google news search, and I only find ONE story referring to a negative review!?

What the hell are people on about, or are the 'bad reactions' simply a pack of people getting upset on the forums?

[Leafshadoe]

I've been playing and enjoying Bioware games since the Baldur's Gate series and haven't bought one that I didn't stick a lot of hours into because the games are that good. Bioware develops great games. Too bad I don't see their publishers in the same light. Interplay couldn't (and still can't) manage their way out of a wet paper bag, Atari was...well Atari, and EA seems to stupid-manage everything they touch. ME3 will come out, I'll buy it and play it-- so will most of us here-- Bioware will go back to making great games and the cycle will continue. Oo...cycle...

[darknoon5]

Shockwave81 wrote...
 or are the 'bad reactions' simply a pack of people getting upset on the forums?

Partly that, but sales figures aren't great, and a minority voted DA2 metacritic's user score to about 3.

[Zulu_DFA]

Ozzyfan223 wrote...

it will put the ME series in to the histroy books of gaming. But if it fails

Why BUT?

A series that was expected to replace Star Wars in the modern culture but with harder sci-fi and deeper story elements... and hit a rock bottom with a splat.

[Aresh's voice]"It will be beatiful..."[/Aresh's voice]

[Bourne Endeavor]

Square Enix is an excellent comparison to the direction BioWare could traverse upon if they continue to disregard their current fanbase. The Final Fantasy series is a shell of its former self and arguably has not released a noteworthy title since FFX, although your mileage may vary in regards to FFXII. Any fanbase will accept some deviation from past installments but only to such an extent before they move on. For some, BioWare has exhausted their "blind buy" quota and those individual now approach their games with caution. In contrast, some believe they have evolved for the better. I fall into the former category myself but do not begrudge the latter. That said, Mass Effect 3 most certainly has much to live up to. If concepts are implemented the fanbase vocally abhors (multiplayer comes to mind) it could have a significant impact in the future, especially if they feel cheap.

I posted something elsewhere that bears repeating.

"BioWare is in this egotistical and nonsensical delusion they can capture the CoD masses yet continue to ignore the conundrum in their midst. Those gamers are not interested in story, character development and general plot advancement. In their perception what BioWare adheres to being champions of is tiresome, monotonous and wasteful. It interferes the core objective to their gaming experience; shoot things. We are undoubtedly the most opposite fanbases in existence and BioWare must decide between them. You cannot have your cake and eat it too."

Shockwave81 wrote...
What the hell are people on about, or are the 'bad reactions' simply a pack of people getting upset on the forums?

Partially accurate however DA:O sold over three million copies. If DA2 cannot eclipse or even compare to the degree of success established by its predecessor. It will have made the abundance of changes made in the series a complete waste. The argument BioWare made as to why they altered virtually everything from DA:O is to appeal to a wider audience. If the sales are less, it becomes evident they failed.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 11 mars 2011 - 10:32 .

[SNascimento]

Conclusion: Hudson and his team are handling it appropriately, and you should expect nothing but the best from them. It's also a little premature to predict Bioware's "fall" when they have yet another department working on what will be one of the year's biggest MMO's on the year it releases.

[Vyse_Fina]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...


Square Enix is an excellent comparison to the direction BioWare could traverse upon if they continue to disregard their current fanbase. The Final Fantasy series is a shell of its former self and arguably has not released a noteworthy title since FFX, although your mileage may vary in regards to FFXII. Any fanbase will accept some deviation from past installments but only to such an extent before they move on. For some, BioWare has exhausted their "blind buy" quota and those individual now approach their games with caution. In contrast, some believe they have evolved for the better. I fall into the former category myself but do not begrudge the latter. That said, Mass Effect 3 most certainly has much to live up to. If concepts are implemented the fanbase vocally abhors (multiplayer comes to mind) it could have a significant impact in the future, especially if they feel cheap.

I posted something elsewhere that bears repeating.

"BioWare is in this egotistical and nonsensical delusion they can capture the CoD masses yet continue to ignore the conundrum in their midst. Those gamers are not interested in story, character development and general plot advancement. In their perception what BioWare adheres to being champions of is tiresome, monotonous and wasteful. It interferes the core objective to their gaming experience; shoot things. We are undoubtedly the most opposite fanbases in existence and BioWare must decide between them. You cannot have your cake and eat it too."

Very well said. I completely agree, but have to add something to the multiplayer issue though.

As long as it is not forced upon us (As in: it won't have anything to do with singleplayer and rather be handled like the Multiplayer in Uncharted 2 and Assassin's Creed Brotherhood) I am fine with it (allthough the time spent could be used for more important stuff). The thing here is the following: 
Develoeprs try to make you hold onto your games for as long as possible. They don't want you to trade them in at Gamestop or wherever. The reason for that is that they don't get any revenue from used game sales and the number of people selling games while they still get more than half of what they paid for it is enormous. So what do they do? They put in day 1 DLC and a code you can only use if you buy the game new, sp people don't buy the games used. They put in Multiplayer modes so people keep playing the games even after they finished the soloplayer campaign.

I don't really like this but as sad as that may sound, no big publisher can really affortd to make games for the sake of their fans alone anymore. Games like Mass Effect cost enormous amounts of money and to ensure games like these stay around we have to pay the price of day one DLC, Multiplayer modes, preorder bonuses and whatever they think of next. I don't like it, but as long as people keep trading in their games and keep buying used games just because they cost 5$ less than new ones there is hardly any way around it. Except for digital distribution maybe... (which is even worse imo. I want my physical copy)