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[diblob]

Anyone that says DA2 is better than DAO should be summarily shot and removed from the gene pool for all of our sakes.

[scylis]

Both have their flaws, and I enjoy them about equally (with mods for DAO), honestly.

For DAO, a big one was the look of it. Subscribed (perhaps without any alternative) to the "Brown is Real" trope way too much, whether it was actually brown, or if it was blue for "night". The animation was usually pretty clunky. The lighting was funky, as everything had a shiny plastic look to it. Combat was on the slow side, and the attack animations doubly so. All around, it had the look and feel, visually, of a game which should have come out a year or two before it did, at least.

DAO's saving grace was its story and the actual character interactions, and it was a big saving grace. It made DAO not just palatable, but enjoyable. It's the only reason I actually made it through a couple of playthroughs, heck, or even just finishing the first one.

DA2 didn't look like it should have come out years earlier, the animation was smoother (the mouth animation is so much better, that it's almost annoyingly distracting to watch while playing DAO, now), everything didn't look like it was made from plastic, there was at least some effort to introduce more than 2-3 armor models for the different armor categories, and they threw enough color into the environments to make it not seem as drab and bland while still being able to throw in the fancy lighting effects on the higher/-est settings. Visually, it's just better.

Most of the shortcomings have probably been overstated enough in this thread, so I'll just point out what bugs me. Wave spawn locations could have been so much better, even if it's just appearing in front of doors that don't open or windows or secret entrances or whatnot. Attack animations are a little too fast (DW, not so much; 1h, a smidge; 2h, oh yeah), especially given attack speed enhancing abilities available later on. Personally, I'd rather have them be too fast rather than too slow, but either one is still annoying. There could have been more interaction with party members; what was there was great, but there just wasn't enough of it. Finally, I don't have a problem with the "lack of an overarching plot" or any of that (I am happy with Acts 1 &2, actually), but I am quite displeased with Act 3. It could have stayed just as short as it is, currently, but there should have been essentially "two different Act 3s", with different quests and different fights leading up to the last one (which could stay) depending on the side you chose.

I think the Act 3 thing is the main culprit behind people feeling as though they didn't really have much of an impact on the story at all.

[Jademoon121]

They both got their faults, but I like DAO better for it's customization, environments, and being able to choose your character in more than two ways.

[-Skorpious-]

JFarr74 wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

FYI I have seriously tried to find at least one thing better in DA2 than in Origins, but for the life of me cannot.

I don't know about that.....

I guess I could say that I liked how Hawke directly engaged with other characters during conversation (the silent Warden relied on his companions/npc's to do so). 

But that would have to be it. 

[AudioEpics]

I loved Origins and was a bit wary about Dragon Age II. I got the game only recently, after having read all of the criticisms. I just had to see for myself if it really was that bad. I was completely surprised to find I love this game even more than Origins.
I'm not blind to its flaws but I love it "warts 'n all" because it really connects with me.

[Realmzmaster]

diblob wrote...

Anyone that says DA2 is better than DAO should be summarily shot and removed from the gene pool for all of our sakes.

Where do I line up? Because I liked DA 2 more than DA:O. I have grown tried of the Save the World situations.

[neppakyo]

Realmzmaster wrote...

diblob wrote...

Anyone that says DA2 is better than DAO should be summarily shot and removed from the gene pool for all of our sakes.

Where do I line up? Because I liked DA 2 more than DA:O. I have grown tried of the Save the World situations.

And the rags to riches, peasent to king stories haven't been done before? They have, and a better job than DA2.

[Realmzmaster]

neppakyo wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

diblob wrote...

Anyone that says DA2 is better than DAO should be summarily shot and removed from the gene pool for all of our sakes.

Where do I line up? Because I liked DA 2 more than DA:O. I have grown tried of the Save the World situations.

And the rags to riches, peasent to king stories haven't been done before? They have, and a better job than DA2.

I like rags to riches stories and there are very few of them in CRPGs.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

You could argue that the poorer Origins stories like the City Elf and Dwarven Commoner had an element of a rags to riches story.

If we stretch logic a little, we could say that Oblivion had a rags to riches story element too. You start off as a prisoner with nothing more than the clothes on your back and end of the Champion of Cyrodiil, highly loved and respected by the people.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 06 mai 2011 - 06:12 .

[Heretical]

Origins had graphical problems, clunky animations, and bad combat pacing.
Dragon Age II addressed these problems, but lost itself in the process.

That's my opinion anyway.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

mrcrusty wrote...

You could argue that the poorer Origins stories like the City Elf and Dwarven Commoner had an element of a rags to riches story.

Why City Elf? You just get kidnapped by a rapist, and then kill him. Duncan then saves your butt by recruiting you into the Wardens.

Yes but you start off in a poor environment, regarded as a second class citizen. With Duncan's help, you rise above it and become an illustrious (or notorious) Grey Warden, possibly becoming a kingmaker in the process.

I'm also not seriously suggesting that the Origin stories are as comprehensively rags to riches stories like Hawke's, just that rags to riches-esque stories aren't too obscure.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 06 mai 2011 - 06:16 .

[neppakyo]

Yeah, MrCrusty does say some intelligent things sometimes

*runs away from him*

And yeah, that does make sense for the city elf origin, never looked at it that way either.

@topic. DA:O > DA2.

[beasty dragon]

DAO was a good game all around, but it was a little too cliche, join elite order, save the world, etc
DA2is still cliche, but not as much and the plot is thicker to me, plus its not as tactical, which is a nice break after a year of DAO on nightmare

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Lol, it's probably because I did the City Elf Origin for 3 different playthroughs. Never mind I only finished 1, I'm just familiar with the City Elf Origin.

neppakyo wrote...

Yeah, MrCrusty does say some intelligent things sometimes

*runs away from him*

And yeah, that does make sense for the city elf origin, never looked at it that way either.

@topic. DA:O > DA2.

That's right! You better *huff* run. I swear I'm *huff huff* gonna get *huff* you someday.

[JFarr74]

Heretical wrote...

Origins had graphical problems, clunky animations, and bad combat pacing.
Dragon Age II addressed these problems, but lost itself in the process.

That's my opinion anyway.

I partially might agree with this.

[Whisky]

IMO, there is one thing that was done right in DA2: Sustained effects only visible in combat. Ugh, but they ruin the effect in the process, a flaming sword doesn't look like it's on fire.

One good and one bad cancel each other out I suppose.

DA:O > DA2.

[JFarr74]

beasty dragon wrote...

DAO was a good game all around, but it was a little too cliche, join elite order, save the world, etc
DA2is still cliche, but not as much and the plot is thicker to me, plus its not as tactical, which is a nice break after a year of DAO on nightmare

Indeed

[Radwar]

Origins easily. Seriously this is like asking what's better a car or a tricycle.

[JFarr74]

Combat-wise, I thought Dragon Age 2 had better combat.

[Savber100]

diblob wrote...

Anyone that says DA2 is better than DAO should be summarily shot and removed from the gene pool for all of our sakes.

Calm down... a games does not define an individual. Seriously, sit down before I begin to question your sanity. <_<

[JFarr74]

Savber100 wrote...

diblob wrote...

Anyone that says DA2 is better than DAO should be summarily shot and removed from the gene pool for all of our sakes.

Calm down... a games does not define an individual. Seriously, sit down before I begin to question your sanity. <_<

Chill broski!

[beasty dragon]

Radwar wrote...

Origins easily. Seriously this is like asking what's better a car or a tricycle.

tricycles dont waste natural resources for one