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[jlb524]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

^ Denial.

How so?  I admited DA:O was the better game 'technically'  (I mean, it had loads more dev time for starters).

I'm honest when I say I've played it more than Origins and enjoy it more than Origins.

Modifié par jlb524, 06 juin 2011 - 01:38 .

[LiquidGrape]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

Origins had the polish, the scope and the novelty. DA2 had the rough edges, the focus and the themes.

I really do like both, but as I think the latter is a far more adventurous and creatively ambitious effort, I do prefer DA2.

This. Not sure about Origins' "novelty," though.

Yeah, as I posted, I realised it was pretty poorly worded. I meant to refer to the novelty of the world of Dragon Age itself, and its inherent quirks and features. It wasn't a very original creation by any means (DA2 did improve on the aesthetic element something ridiculous), but it was still the progenitor of everything that followed, and as such, deserves some credit for being such a deep and interesting thing in spite of the rather lackluster presentation.

[mesmerizedish]

LiquidGrape wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

Origins had the polish, the scope and the novelty. DA2 had the rough edges, the focus and the themes.

I really do like both, but as I think the latter is a far more adventurous and creatively ambitious effort, I do prefer DA2.

This. Not sure about Origins' "novelty," though.

Yeah, as I posted, I realised it was pretty poorly worded. I meant to refer to the novelty of the world of Dragon Age itself, and its inherent quirks and features. It wasn't a very original creation by any means (DA2 did improve on the aesthetic element something ridiculous), but it was still the progenitor of everything that followed, and as such, deserves some credit for being such a deep and interesting thing in spite of the rather lackluster presentation.

Ah, yes. I understand now

[syllogi]

I've thought about it a lot, and while DA:O is absolutely the better game, to me, there are a few things from DA2 that I think should be kept, like the friendship and rivalry system and the cinematics.

I wish I could take the awesome characters from DA2 and put them into a more worthy game. So I guess that's something.

[JFarr74]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

Origins had the polish, the scope and the novelty. DA2 had the rough edges, the focus and the themes.

I really do like both, but as I think the latter is a far more adventurous and creatively ambitious effort, I do prefer DA2.

This. Not sure about Origins' "novelty," though.

Yeah, as I posted, I realised it was pretty poorly worded. I meant to refer to the novelty of the world of Dragon Age itself, and its inherent quirks and features. It wasn't a very original creation by any means (DA2 did improve on the aesthetic element something ridiculous), but it was still the progenitor of everything that followed, and as such, deserves some credit for being such a deep and interesting thing in spite of the rather lackluster presentation.

Ah, yes. I understand now

LOL information is fun:P

[Lord_Valandil]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

DAO, no contest. DA2 is a smelly turd compared to DAO.

[Zjarcal]

Origins is the better game due to the amount of polish it has.

And I would be lying if I said I didn't prefer it to DA2, all things considered. Little things like the music really make a difference.

However, I believe DA2 made a lot of improvements over DAO, improvements that have made it actually hard for me to go back to Origins and look at it the same way. As I've said before, ignoring how polished each game is, I consider the overall design of DA2 to be better. I honestly believe that if DA2 had receive an extra year of polish, it would've been my preferred game between the two.

Regardless, I love both games and enjoy them both immensely. That is all that matters to me really.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 06 juin 2011 - 01:40 .

[JFarr74]

[quote]Skilled Seeker wrote...

DAO, no contest. DA2 is a smelly turd compared to DAO.[/quote]

[/quote]

Ewwww!

[Aaleel]

Origins by far. I have numerous playthroughs of Origins and I mean all quests done, master file type games. So for me to have played that game that many times at that length should tell you how much I love that game.

DA2 on the other. I usually play every RPG at least twice, once without mods or guides or anything just to see what I can find on my own looking everywhere and talking to everyone. DA2 was one of the few games that I couldn't bring myself to get through twice.

[erynnar]

Zjarcal wrote...

Origins is the better game due to the amount of polish it has.

And I would be lying if I said I didn't prefer it to DA2, all things considered. Little things like the music really make a difference.

However, I believe DA2 made a lot of improvements over DAO, improvements that have made it actually hard for me to go back to Origins and look at it the same way. As I've said before, ignoring how polished each game is, I consider the overall design of DA2 to be better. I honestly believe that if DA2 had receive an extra year of polish, it would've been my preferred game between the two.

Regardless, I love both games and enjoy them both immensely. That is all that matters to me really.

Stupid computer ate my post or part...darn!

I meant to say it's interesting to me that DA2 makes it hard for some to go back to DAO, and other it rekindled there desire to. I will say this game does provide some interesting responses.
I love reading your posts, and that cute little icon doesn't hurt one bit! *HUGS*

Modifié par erynnar, 06 juin 2011 - 01:57 .

[JFarr74]

erynnar wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Origins is the better game due to the amount of polish it has.

And I would be lying if I said I didn't prefer it to DA2, all things considered. Little things like the music really make a difference.

However, I believe DA2 made a lot of improvements over DAO, improvements that have made it actually hard for me to go back to Origins and look at it the same way. As I've said before, ignoring how polished each game is, I consider the overall design of DA2 to be better. I honestly believe that if DA2 had receive an extra year of polish, it would've been my preferred game between the two.

Regardless, I love both games and enjoy them both immensely. That is all that matters to me really.

I love reading your posts, and that cute little icon doesn't hurt one bit! *HUGS*

........What?

[Skilled Seeker]

Aaleel wrote...

Origins by far. I have numerous playthroughs of Origins and I mean all quests done, master file type games. So for me to have played that game that many times at that length should tell you how much I love that game.

DA2 on the other. I usually play every RPG at least twice, once without mods or guides or anything just to see what I can find on my own looking everywhere and talking to everyone. DA2 was one of the few games that I couldn't bring myself to get through twice.

Because you've already gone through it 3 times in one playthrough thanks to the ridiculous cheap recycling of pretty much everything.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 06 juin 2011 - 01:55 .

[erynnar]

JFarr74 wrote...

erynnar wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Origins is the better game due to the amount of polish it has.

And I would be lying if I said I didn't prefer it to DA2, all things considered. Little things like the music really make a difference.

However, I believe DA2 made a lot of improvements over DAO, improvements that have made it actually hard for me to go back to Origins and look at it the same way. As I've said before, ignoring how polished each game is, I consider the overall design of DA2 to be better. I honestly believe that if DA2 had receive an extra year of polish, it would've been my preferred game between the two.

Regardless, I love both games and enjoy them both immensely. That is all that matters to me really.

I love reading your posts, and that cute little icon doesn't hurt one bit! *HUGS*

........What?

Part of what I wrote disappeared. Sorry! I hope it makes more sense now.

[JFarr74]

erynnar wrote...

JFarr74 wrote...

erynnar wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Origins is the better game due to the amount of polish it has.

And I would be lying if I said I didn't prefer it to DA2, all things considered. Little things like the music really make a difference.

However, I believe DA2 made a lot of improvements over DAO, improvements that have made it actually hard for me to go back to Origins and look at it the same way. As I've said before, ignoring how polished each game is, I consider the overall design of DA2 to be better. I honestly believe that if DA2 had receive an extra year of polish, it would've been my preferred game between the two.

Regardless, I love both games and enjoy them both immensely. That is all that matters to me really.

I love reading your posts, and that cute little icon doesn't hurt one bit! *HUGS*

........What?

Part of what I wrote disappeared. Sorry! I hope it makes more sense now.

Awesome:police:

[erynnar]

Aaleel wrote...

Origins by far. I have numerous playthroughs of Origins and I mean all quests done, master file type games. So for me to have played that game that many times at that length should tell you how much I love that game.

DA2 on the other. I usually play every RPG at least twice, once without mods or guides or anything just to see what I can find on my own looking everywhere and talking to everyone. DA2 was one of the few games that I couldn't bring myself to get through twice.

I did two, it was more difficult to finish as a rogue (1st play through) than my mage funny enough. But I treated it like a magical shooter, and that helped.

[erynnar]

JFarr74 wrote...

erynnar wrote...

JFarr74 wrote...

erynnar wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Origins is the better game due to the amount of polish it has.

And I would be lying if I said I didn't prefer it to DA2, all things considered. Little things like the music really make a difference.

However, I believe DA2 made a lot of improvements over DAO, improvements that have made it actually hard for me to go back to Origins and look at it the same way. As I've said before, ignoring how polished each game is, I consider the overall design of DA2 to be better. I honestly believe that if DA2 had receive an extra year of polish, it would've been my preferred game between the two.

Regardless, I love both games and enjoy them both immensely. That is all that matters to me really.

I love reading your posts, and that cute little icon doesn't hurt one bit! *HUGS*

........What?

Part of what I wrote disappeared. Sorry! I hope it makes more sense now.

Awesome:police:

Sometimes the formatting here is...strange?

[JFarr74]

erynnar wrote...

JFarr74 wrote...

erynnar wrote...

JFarr74 wrote...

erynnar wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Origins is the better game due to the amount of polish it has.

And I would be lying if I said I didn't prefer it to DA2, all things considered. Little things like the music really make a difference.

However, I believe DA2 made a lot of improvements over DAO, improvements that have made it actually hard for me to go back to Origins and look at it the same way. As I've said before, ignoring how polished each game is, I consider the overall design of DA2 to be better. I honestly believe that if DA2 had receive an extra year of polish, it would've been my preferred game between the two.

Regardless, I love both games and enjoy them both immensely. That is all that matters to me really.

I love reading your posts, and that cute little icon doesn't hurt one bit! *HUGS*

........What?

Part of what I wrote disappeared. Sorry! I hope it makes more sense now.

Awesome:police:

Sometimes the formatting here is...strange?

:happy::pinched::wizard:

[Yuqi]

Origins, is superior. Everything worked together well,the choices actually did change things.The customization,the characters.It actually felt like an rpg. 9/10

DA2, is meh. The only thing i enjoyed was the voiced femhawke.The male hawke had the voice of a stump.The relationships were less fleshed out, and the import bugs urrgh,and the graphic bugs. the combat I loved, but the warrior is too underpowered. I'm a fan od dynasty warriors, so maybe the combat just appeals to me more *shrug*

[rougeman]

origins by far, d.a.2 is a dynasty warriors copy that learned how to ru-use maps like hippies re-use shower water as toilet water,the story was so bad that a main story quest was to do side quests,there is more but what i really anyone who made this game should be ashamed of what they have done,and you always judge sequels as sequels not as stand alone games.

[JFarr74]

I just think they both feel like different  kinds of games. Anybody else agree?

Modifié par JFarr74, 06 juin 2011 - 03:44 .

[Mecher3k]

DA:O is far superior DA2.

Sales alone prove that.

[lionalio87]

Overall, DA:O is better than DA2, but not too far.

DA:O has the great world and a great story. It makes one wanna play again since it has a lot of different story lines. It's a great RPG overall and it deserves a legacy in the future

DA2 is another experience. It has a lot of faults, nevertheless there are notable advanced things that DA:O cannot provide us, and that's why although it isn't liked much by the community, it is still a good game in general.

[Archereon]

Pff, Origins had a good world? It had excellent presentation storywise, even if the visuals weren't that good, but the setting just borrowed the grimdark magic and demons system most prominently seen in Warhammer Fantasy/40 K, softened it up a bit, and slapped it onto generic Dungeons and Dragons campaign number 9001. Of course, unoriginality is alright so long as it's done in an interesting way, and Dragon excelled at that. Never once did the setting bother me.

Then Dragon Age 2 came along. That's exactly the wrong way to do things. In trying to be different, the setting lost it's most original element, which is to say the gritty and "realistic" (as far as realistic goes in a world where people can shoot fire from it's hand) that was largely absent in this current generation of swords and spells fantasy in favor of things which are, in my opinion, just plain silly.

[JFarr74]

Hope there will be some news on Dragon Age 2 DLC or Dragon age 3 soon.....

[Raice]

Go to the bottom if you don't want to read this...

I think they both have their own strengths, and I think it really depends on how tolerant you are to either one's weakness as to which one is "better".

DAO suffered from some really, really bad balance issues that (for me) made it totally unplayable.  These really weren't issues one could work around.  These were design flaws in the way Abilities and Attributes worked for certain classes, and basically how functional each individual ability is.

Frankly, I never play "Caster/Mage" classes in these games, because they are never presented as anything interesting to play.  DAO didn't deviate from this, thus I played a Two-Handed Warrior.  Anyone who tried to play one of these knows - they just weren't fun to play because they were incredibly too slow and literally had nothing useful to offer the team.  On top of this, I knew in the back of my mind that I wasn't playing poorly.... the game just simply fell apart for certain builds (namely Archers and Two Handed specs.)  That doesn't mean you couldn't win - it just means you're basically fighting an uphill battle the whole way through.  You always feel like... well... this build never makes you feel heroic in any capacity.

If I had to sum up DAO: it had slow and boring gameplay.  Playing a Warrior in DAO has got to be one of the worst game experiences I have ever had.  It really was that bad.  How bad?  Once I got Morrigan... I literally did nothing but control her, because my MC and Allistair basically played themselves.... with their 5 skills between the two of them that had seemingly 1 hour cooldown timers because I literally used them in a 20m fight once.  Not that it matters anyway, because they never had enough Stamina to use them again anyway.... *shivers*  It took a mod to get some stamina potions.... which are probably the single biggest oversight of the game if you ask me.  But whatever -

Now, that's what DAO did wrong.  I don't think anyone can really argue that point.  If DAO had a bad aspect to it - it's that.  And... well... DA2 pretty much fixed every bit of those issues.  All the clases are a blast to play.  They even did the impossible that no other game has ever done - they made Mages bad@ss!  Are there some balance issues still?  Sure - possibly.  In fact, some people complain "Rogue/Mage/Warrior is soooo underpowered."  Yeah, well, I haven't experienced any of that to a degree that is even remotely noticable.  There might be some slight differences in power for each of the classes, but - I would take that over DAO's functionally useless builds/abilities.

Now, some people are going to complain about how DAO gave you all of these customization options, and how DA2 basically put it on easy mode.  This.... is a lie.  The depth is totally there in DA2.  In DAO, you basically had one section of a class, and you pretty much went all or nothing into it.  The only class that really gave you any kind of freedom of "choice" is (surprise) Mage.  But even then, you didn't go halfway into one line.  The "level up" process in DAO was like.... uninspiring.  I didn't look forward to a level up, because I always figured, "Great! Another opportunity for me to be completely useless, while Morrigan/Wynn does all the work."  Don't get me wrong, I don't mind that Mages in DAO were useful.  I just think everything else was unnecessarily useless.  To me, that's just poor design, which to me, makes for a poor game.

In DA2, on just about every one of my characters, I have abilities selected all over the place.  I don't have to totally devote myself to one line or section.  The builds are very versatile like that, because they each play off certain skills of another class.  In essense, the "level up" is more about the team experience, rather than how awesome your MC is.  And - the "level up" is FUN!  You literally can sit for 30m-1h and think about what skill to get next; how will it play in the team you want to build; how is this point in one of your Attributes going to effect your game for the next couple of hours until your next level up?  This is how leveling up SHOULD be.  In DAO - there was none of that.

Now for me - these sorts of things are a big deal.  I can almost completely forgive DA2 for the fact that it uses recycled environments (.... ALMOST ) for the simple fact that I am not going through the game feeling like I made a poor decision in wanting to play a character that uses Two Handed weapons.  That sort of decision isn't something the player should feel like they are being punished for, for the entirety of the game.  That's just silly.  And that's exactly how I felt in DAO: I felt like the game punished me for playing one of the classes.

As far as stories are concerned...  I really think DA2 had FAR superior things going on in this department too.  I just feel like maybe it was less "epic" because of the recycled areas.  In all honesty... that's really the only thing I have to gripe about DA2.  I think every other aspect about it is a MAJOR imporvement over the first.

No armor selection for the companions?  Who cares?  Why is that even important?  Can anyone explain why this is even necessary other than "It's how it's always been done."?  It was awesome to see these unique characters being protrayed appropriately awesome all the time, and to see their gear become more ornate the better you got to know them.

Frankly, the only things I have seen people throw up (besides the recycled rooms) as to why DA2 is such a bad game are what I like to call "Non-Issues".  Essentially, theses are tiny things that people blow way out of proportion to complain about, not because their complaints are necessarily valid, but because they just like to complain about anything.

DA2 is the suprior game in just about all aspects.  The only drawbacks are the recycled envirnoment maps.  I can understand that the need for this existed because the entire game took place in this one city.  For story aspects, I can appreciate that.  But in a game - it's kind of one of those things that sounds good on paper, but really isn't going to cut it in actual practice.  What DA2 did here would be kind of like (back on the NES) if you were playing Mega Man - you went to Flash Man's stage, only to find out it was exactly like Fire Man's stage - with (maybe) different enemies.  Bioware.... you can't do that and expect anyone to be okay with it lol....  That one feature alone nearly kills the entire game.

The second drawback are the sky-dropping-ninja-wave spawns of reinforcements!  I.... honestly, this is kind of silly... but it's not really a game breaker for me.  I mean... yeah... I guess it would be cooler if something else were to happen, but aside from guys just teleporting in, what else can they do?  Tunnel up from the ground?

Anyway, my answer to this is: DA2 is the better game.