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[GodWood]

Origins...

[Lycidas]

Origins is the better game for me by far.

[Morroian]

xkg wrote...

You must be joking right ?

"fact that DA2 gives more options for warriors and rogues" ?

I can no longer use daggers or bows on my warrior nor i can use sword/mace/shield etc on my rogue.
I'am not going to comment on this because i really don't know what are you trying to prove here. Your so-called "FACT" is as far from truth as it can be.

I'm obviously talking number of abilities, exactly as you were.

[Zubie]

I think I've already responded to this thread before but I can't remember.

Anyways......Origins.

[xkg]

Morroian wrote...

xkg wrote...

You must be joking right ?

"fact that DA2 gives more options for warriors and rogues" ?

I can no longer use daggers or bows on my warrior nor i can use sword/mace/shield etc on my rogue.
I'am not going to comment on this because i really don't know what are you trying to prove here. Your so-called "FACT" is as far from truth as it can be.

I'm obviously talking number of abilities, exactly as you were.

Lmao. And obiviously AGAIN you have no idea what you are talking about.
Ok lets see:

Dragon Age Origins -> Warrior Abilities (separate usable abilities not any upgrades) : 94
Dragon Age 2 -> Warrior Abilities : 46  (90 abilities + all possible upgrades)

46 usable abilities against 94 ???? hahahaha
Soooooo, if you still have anything to say - where are those "more options" you were talking about ?

Modifié par xkg, 29 juin 2011 - 11:48 .

[Tikigod60]

I'd say Origins for me, as I looked to Dragon Age for a immersive epic-scaled adventure that spanned a entire land with each area having it's own charms and character. A lot of significant choices that really felt unique, and even non-party characters that had appreciable personalitys.

Dragon Age 2 however was probably better for console platform and as such will likely appeal to more people in general, as it was designed for that platform, with streamlined combat more about single member action, and a reduction in areas likely to make storage space for voice acting that those who much preferred Mass Effect to Origins could appreciate more from having everything voiced to feel their character was more 'awesome'.

Where as Origins was initially started and developed up from a PC platform title and aimed at a slightly older approach to wide scaled RPGs before it became more about the cutscene badassery, shine and rather cliched/expected/predictable characters and general plots.

So whilst I personally preferred Origins, I suspect DA2 was more of a wide scale hit (relatively) because it was designed to appeal on much more generalised level by ditching the personality of the origins and keeping it much more straight forward for people to tie their own personalitys to the game.

Modifié par Tikigod60, 29 juin 2011 - 01:25 .

[Raice]

Morroian wrote...

xkg wrote...

You must be joking right ?

"fact that DA2 gives more options for warriors and rogues" ?

I can no longer use daggers or bows on my warrior nor i can use sword/mace/shield etc on my rogue.
I'am not going to comment on this because i really don't know what are you trying to prove here. Your so-called "FACT" is as far from truth as it can be.

I'm obviously talking number of abilities, exactly as you were.

I'm done arguing with these people.  It's like talking to someone who has absolutely no idea how to put two and two together.

They're more upset that I'm not validating their opinion, as if their opinion matters to me anyway, by virture of me calling their complaints non-issues, than they are about actually disagreeing with me.  Deep down, they know we're right about all of this: they just can't stand to admit that maybe in this circumstance, they're the ones who aren't actually making any sense.

Let me give you an example of the argument that is going on here:

By their logic, Titanic is clearly the better movie - because it won best picture of 1997, even though it's competition was:

As Good As It Gets
The Full Monty
Good Will Hunting
L.A. Confidential

(These are the 1997 Academy Award Nominees for Best Picture)

I want someone to explain to me, without butt-kiss bias, and tell me Titanic won because it actually was a better film than any of those, and prove that it wasn't simply because of some political BS that happened in the background, and prove to me that it wasn't just an overraated pile of BS.  Without proof, I don't buy it.  Anyone who can't see that there was dirty business on that is just naive.  I've seen all of those movies, and all of them are better than Titanic in every facet of filmmaking.

Then, after that, explain to me how DAO is any different than Titanic in this scenario.  Anyone who can't see how DAO was overrated is just being naive and a fanboy.   The problems DAO DID ACTUALLY HAVE, would have completely obliterated the score had the game been from any other Developer.  It was political, people.  EA bought the ratings.  DAO got a better score than Mass Effect 2?  Yeah... I call BS.  I think the reality of that was people were just starving for anything resembling Baldur's Gate: rose colored glasses.

Face it:  DAO was overrated.  Was it good?  Sure.  But it wasn't "that" good.  You simply don't have to defend it.  It's okay if you don't.

Luckily, DA2 fixed everything that made DAO suck.  Unfortuntely, it also forgot to put in a lot of stuff that made DAO good.  But, I can appreciate DA2, because I can play any of the classes and feel like I have a good character.  I couldn't do that in DAO.  And as a result - it felt like a broken game, despite all the little niceties it had.  You can't put salt and pepper on a dog-**** patty and call it steak and expect that to fly with anyone who know's how to not be swayed by the "critical media".



Oh yeah...

And while I'm on the subject - Bioware doesn't make a habit of changing stuff in a video game, unless the players complain about it in the first place.  You're sitting here claiming how wonderful DAO was, when back when it was released, you were complaining about the very stuff they FIXED with DA2, but now you're complaining how it needs to change back?  And I know there were major complaints, because the TOP Mods for DAO address those complaints "Weapon/class Balance - Add Respec - Fixed companion interactions"  All of a sudden - DAO is the best RPG ever made and couldn't possibly need any adjustments because of the critic reviews?

Nonsense!  Bioware wouldn't have change it if you weren't complaining about it in the first place!

Is it possible that the only reason people really liked it and played it was because there literally hadn't been a group-based RPG like Baldur's Gate since NWN 2, which was... atrocious?  Like I said - if I were starving, dog-**** would taste really great....

Modifié par Raice, 30 juin 2011 - 09:47 .

[xkg]

Raice wrote...
I'm done arguing with these people.  It's like talking to someone who has absolutely no idea how to put two and two together.

Ahhh Hello there, again.

Let's put two and two together, shall we?:

Raice wrote...
Then again... the biggest (and practically only) competitor in 2009 was Alpha Protocol.  Woohoo... Dragon Age is better than Alpha Protocol

Marvelous. Game released in 2010 was the biggest DAO competitor in 2009. Yay. You are the best.

[csfteeeer]

Raice wrote...

Morroian wrote...

xkg wrote...

You must be joking right ?

"fact that DA2 gives more options for warriors and rogues" ?

I can no longer use daggers or bows on my warrior nor i can use sword/mace/shield etc on my rogue.
I'am not going to comment on this because i really don't know what are you trying to prove here. Your so-called "FACT" is as far from truth as it can be.

I'm obviously talking number of abilities, exactly as you were.

I'm done arguing with these people.  It's like talking to someone who has absolutely no idea how to put two and two together.

They're more upset that I'm not validating their opinion, as if their opinion matters to me anyway, by virture of me calling their complaints non-issues, than they are about actually disagreeing with me.  Deep down, they know we're right about all of this: they just can't stand to admit that maybe in this circumstance, they're the ones who aren't actually making any sense.

Let me give you an example of the argument that is going on here:

By their logic, Titanic is clearly the better movie - because it won best picture of 1997, even though it's competition was:

As Good As It Gets
The Full Monty
Good Will Hunting
L.A. Confidential

(These are the 1997 Academy Award Nominees for Best Picture)

I want someone to explain to me, without butt-kiss bias, and tell me Titanic won because it actually was a better film than any of those, and prove that it wasn't simply because of some political BS that happened in the background, and prove to me that it wasn't just an overraated pile of BS.  Without proof, I don't buy it.  Anyone who can't see that there was dirty business on that is just naive.  I've seen all of those movies, and all of them are better than Titanic in every facet of filmmaking.

Then, after that, explain to me how DAO is any different than Titanic in this scenario.  Anyone who can't see how DAO was overrated is just being naive and a fanboy.   The problems DAO DID ACTUALLY HAVE, would have completely obliterated the score had the game been from any other Developer.  It was political, people.  EA bought the ratings.  DAO got a better score than Mass Effect 2?  Yeah... I call BS.  I think the reality of that was people were just starving for anything resembling Baldur's Gate: rose colored glasses.

Face it:  DAO was overrated.  Was it good?  Sure.  But it wasn't "that" good.  You simply don't have to defend it.  It's okay if you don't.

Luckily, DA2 fixed everything that made DAO suck.  Unfortuntely, it also forgot to put in a lot of stuff that made DAO good.  But, I can appreciate DA2, because I can play any of the classes and feel like I have a good character.  I couldn't do that in DAO.  And as a result - it felt like a broken game, despite all the little niceties it had.  You can't put salt and pepper on a dog-**** patty and call it steak and expect that to fly with anyone who know's how to not be swayed by the "critical media".



Oh yeah...

And while I'm on the subject - Bioware doesn't make a habit of changing stuff in a video game, unless the players complain about it in the first place.  You're sitting here claiming how wonderful DAO was, when back when it was released, you were complaining about the very stuff they FIXED with DA2, but now you're complaining how it needs to change back?  And I know there were major complaints, because the TOP Mods for DAO address those complaints "Weapon/class Balance - Add Respec - Fixed companion interactions"  All of a sudden - DAO is the best RPG ever made and couldn't possibly need any adjustments because of the critic reviews?

Nonsense!  Bioware wouldn't have change it if you weren't complaining about it in the first place!

Is it possible that the only reason people really liked it and played it was because there literally hadn't been a group-based RPG like Baldur's Gate since NWN 2, which was... atrocious?  Like I said - if I were starving, dog-**** would taste really great....

Oh my god...
you still don't get it do you?
you keep talking as if it was a fact, but it is no fact cause this is opinion based, and you are no one special, you're just someone who has an opinion.
Fact it: you're an idiot.

Why?
well let's see:

"Deep down, they know we're right about all of this: they just can't
stand to admit that maybe in this circumstance, they're the ones who
aren't actually making any sense."

oh great, so Alpha Protocol a game from 2010 was DA:O's Biggest competitor, oh that makes SOOOO Much Sense
also, so the things that weren't Issues to YOU are considered "Non-issues"?
That has to be the Best Logic EVAR!!!!



"Let me give you an example of the argument that is going on here:

By their logic, Titanic is clearly the better movie - because it won best picture of 1997, even though it's competition was:

As Good As It Gets
The Full Monty
Good Will Hunting
L.A. Confidential

(These are the 1997 Academy Award Nominees for Best Picture)

I want someone to explain to me, without butt-kiss bias, and tell me Titanic
won because it actually was a better film than any of those, and prove
that it wasn't simply because of some political BS that happened in the
background, and prove to me that it wasn't just an overraated pile of
BS.  Without proof, I don't buy it.  Anyone who can't see that there was
dirty business on that is just naive.  I've seen all of those movies,
and all of them are better than Titanic in every facet of filmmaking."

And i want you to explain me , without acting like a A** (though i nderstand if this is impossible to you), How is this a fact, when this is an Opinion.
you're not familiar with that word are you?

"Then, after that, explain to me how DAO is any different than Titanic
in this scenario.  Anyone who can't see how DAO was overrated is just
being naive and a fanboy.   The problems DAO DID ACTUALLY HAVE, would
have completely obliterated the score had the game been from any other
Developer.  It was political, people.  EA bought the ratings.  DAO got a
better score than Mass Effect 2?  Yeah... I call BS.  I think the
reality of that was people were just starving for anything resembling
Baldur's Gate: rose colored glasses."

Metacritic:
DA:O : 91 on the Pc, 87 on PS3, 86 on 360
ME2: 96 on 360, 94 on Pc and PS3

oh yeah, it's Clearly superior, look, it even looks as if Mass Effect 2 had a superior rating.

and, i return to my previous point, How is YOUR opinion more important than any else's?

" Face it:  DAO was overrated.  Was it good?  Sure.  But it wasn't "that"
good.  You simply don't have to defend it.  It's okay if you don't. "

god, how many times do i have to repeat myself?
face it: this is an opinion, not a fact.

i will continue in a moment, i need to do something, but i'm not done with you....

Modifié par csfteeeer, 30 juin 2011 - 10:13 .

[JFarr74]

csfteeeer wrote...

Raice wrote...

Morroian wrote...

xkg wrote...

You must be joking right ?

"fact that DA2 gives more options for warriors and rogues" ?

I can no longer use daggers or bows on my warrior nor i can use sword/mace/shield etc on my rogue.
I'am not going to comment on this because i really don't know what are you trying to prove here. Your so-called "FACT" is as far from truth as it can be.

I'm obviously talking number of abilities, exactly as you were.

I'm done arguing with these people.  It's like talking to someone who has absolutely no idea how to put two and two together.

They're more upset that I'm not validating their opinion, as if their opinion matters to me anyway, by virture of me calling their complaints non-issues, than they are about actually disagreeing with me.  Deep down, they know we're right about all of this: they just can't stand to admit that maybe in this circumstance, they're the ones who aren't actually making any sense.

Let me give you an example of the argument that is going on here:

By their logic, Titanic is clearly the better movie - because it won best picture of 1997, even though it's competition was:

As Good As It Gets
The Full Monty
Good Will Hunting
L.A. Confidential

(These are the 1997 Academy Award Nominees for Best Picture)

I want someone to explain to me, without butt-kiss bias, and tell me Titanic won because it actually was a better film than any of those, and prove that it wasn't simply because of some political BS that happened in the background, and prove to me that it wasn't just an overraated pile of BS.  Without proof, I don't buy it.  Anyone who can't see that there was dirty business on that is just naive.  I've seen all of those movies, and all of them are better than Titanic in every facet of filmmaking.

Then, after that, explain to me how DAO is any different than Titanic in this scenario.  Anyone who can't see how DAO was overrated is just being naive and a fanboy.   The problems DAO DID ACTUALLY HAVE, would have completely obliterated the score had the game been from any other Developer.  It was political, people.  EA bought the ratings.  DAO got a better score than Mass Effect 2?  Yeah... I call BS.  I think the reality of that was people were just starving for anything resembling Baldur's Gate: rose colored glasses.

Face it:  DAO was overrated.  Was it good?  Sure.  But it wasn't "that" good.  You simply don't have to defend it.  It's okay if you don't.

Luckily, DA2 fixed everything that made DAO suck.  Unfortuntely, it also forgot to put in a lot of stuff that made DAO good.  But, I can appreciate DA2, because I can play any of the classes and feel like I have a good character.  I couldn't do that in DAO.  And as a result - it felt like a broken game, despite all the little niceties it had.  You can't put salt and pepper on a dog-**** patty and call it steak and expect that to fly with anyone who know's how to not be swayed by the "critical media".



Oh yeah...

And while I'm on the subject - Bioware doesn't make a habit of changing stuff in a video game, unless the players complain about it in the first place.  You're sitting here claiming how wonderful DAO was, when back when it was released, you were complaining about the very stuff they FIXED with DA2, but now you're complaining how it needs to change back?  And I know there were major complaints, because the TOP Mods for DAO address those complaints "Weapon/class Balance - Add Respec - Fixed companion interactions"  All of a sudden - DAO is the best RPG ever made and couldn't possibly need any adjustments because of the critic reviews?

Nonsense!  Bioware wouldn't have change it if you weren't complaining about it in the first place!

Is it possible that the only reason people really liked it and played it was because there literally hadn't been a group-based RPG like Baldur's Gate since NWN 2, which was... atrocious?  Like I said - if I were starving, dog-**** would taste really great....

Oh my god...
you still don't get it do you?
you keep talking as if it was a fact, but it is no fact cause this is opinion based, and you are no one special, you're just someone who has an opinion.
Fact it: you're an idiot.

Why?
well let's see:

"Deep down, they know we're right about all of this: they just can't
stand to admit that maybe in this circumstance, they're the ones who
aren't actually making any sense."

oh great, so Alpha Protocol a game from 2010 was DA:O's Biggest competitor, oh that makes SOOOO Much Sense
also, so the things that weren't Issues to YOU are considered "Non-issues"?
That has to be the Best Logic EVAR!!!!



"Let me give you an example of the argument that is going on here:

By their logic, Titanic is clearly the better movie - because it won best picture of 1997, even though it's competition was:

As Good As It Gets
The Full Monty
Good Will Hunting
L.A. Confidential

(These are the 1997 Academy Award Nominees for Best Picture)

I want someone to explain to me, without butt-kiss bias, and tell me Titanic
won because it actually was a better film than any of those, and prove
that it wasn't simply because of some political BS that happened in the
background, and prove to me that it wasn't just an overraated pile of
BS.  Without proof, I don't buy it.  Anyone who can't see that there was
dirty business on that is just naive.  I've seen all of those movies,
and all of them are better than Titanic in every facet of filmmaking."

And i want you to explain me , without acting like a A** (though i nderstand if this is impossible to you), How is this a fact, when this is an Opinion.
you're not familiar with that word are you?

"Then, after that, explain to me how DAO is any different than Titanic
in this scenario.  Anyone who can't see how DAO was overrated is just
being naive and a fanboy.   The problems DAO DID ACTUALLY HAVE, would
have completely obliterated the score had the game been from any other
Developer.  It was political, people.  EA bought the ratings.  DAO got a
better score than Mass Effect 2?  Yeah... I call BS.  I think the
reality of that was people were just starving for anything resembling
Baldur's Gate: rose colored glasses."

Metacritic:
DA:O : 91 on the Pc, 87 on PS3, 86 on 360
ME2: 96 on 360, 94 on Pc and PS3

oh yeah, it's Clearly superior, look, it even looks as if Mass Effect 2 had a superior rating.

and, i return to my previous point, How is YOUR opinion more important than any else's?

" Face it:  DAO was overrated.  Was it good?  Sure.  But it wasn't "that"
good.  You simply don't have to defend it.  It's okay if you don't. "

god, how many times do i have to repeat myself?
face it: this is an opinion, not a fact.

i will continue in a moment, i need to do something, but i'm not done with you....

Um.....wow......that's quite a mouthful:P:D
Anyway, I did prefer Dragon Age 2's combat, but the game was rushed, I will say that.

Modifié par JFarr74, 30 juin 2011 - 10:18 .

[Realmzmaster]

It all boils down to opinion. If you like DA2 better tan DAO fine. If you like DAO more than DA2. Fine. None of you are going to change the mind of the other. Raice has his opinion. xlg and csfteeeer you have your opinion. All the Metacritic scores in the world will not change Raice opinion.

All either of you have is opinion. Either your or someone else's, which I said before means something to EA/Bioware, but not to any one individual person who is able to form his/her own opinion. So you can agree to disagree.

[xkg]

Realmzmaster wrote...

It all boils down to opinion. If you like DA2 better tan DAO fine. If you like DAO more than DA2. Fine. None of you are going to change the mind of the other. Raice has his opinion. xlg and csfteeeer you have your opinion. All the Metacritic scores in the world will not change Raice opinion.

All either of you have is opinion. Either your or someone else's, which I said before means something to EA/Bioware, but not to any one individual person who is able to form his/her own opinion. So you can agree to disagree.

You are absolutely right. Thats what we were trying to say to that brickhead, all the time. Now go back few pages and read all Raice posts.

All our complains ARE NON-ISUES because they dont bother him.
90% of his opinions ARE FACTS.
People ARE WRONG because they are complaining about non important things (non iportant to him)

Go and see for yourself.

[JFarr74]

Hopefully Dragon Age 3 will be better.....

[Gotholhorakh]

I will respectfully say that Origins was a much more enjoyable game for me.

[schalafi]

I liked them both, but played Origins too many times and was ready for something new. I liked DA2 better than Origins in respect to companions, their dialogue with the pc, and each other, the romances, the ability of the pc to be voiced, and the plot about the friction between the mages and templars. Also I thought the fighting was better in DA2, the loading times were much shorter, and the whole game seemed faster. The ending made me think that we hadn't heard the end of Hawke, which I hope is true.

The only thing I really was sad about was that Cullen wasn't a LI. Sigh!

[MorrigansLove]

Origins Origins ORIGINS!

[csfteeeer]

Realmzmaster wrote...

It all boils down to opinion. If you like DA2 better tan DAO fine. If you like DAO more than DA2. Fine. None of you are going to change the mind of the other. Raice has his opinion. xlg and csfteeeer you have your opinion. All the Metacritic scores in the world will not change Raice opinion.

All either of you have is opinion. Either your or someone else's, which I said before means something to EA/Bioware, but not to any one individual person who is able to form his/her own opinion. So you can agree to disagree.

This is absolutely true, the problem is that this little P***k keeps talking as if his opinion was the correct and ours didn't matter, that's my point of view and want i'm trying to imply, this is an opinion, and DA:O being overrated, is nothing else than another opinion.

[JFarr74]

csfteeeer wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

It all boils down to opinion. If you like DA2 better tan DAO fine. If you like DAO more than DA2. Fine. None of you are going to change the mind of the other. Raice has his opinion. xlg and csfteeeer you have your opinion. All the Metacritic scores in the world will not change Raice opinion.

All either of you have is opinion. Either your or someone else's, which I said before means something to EA/Bioware, but not to any one individual person who is able to form his/her own opinion. So you can agree to disagree.

This is absolutely true, the problem is that this little P***k keeps talking as if his opinion was the correct and ours didn't matter, that's my point of view and want i'm trying to imply, this is an opinion, and DA:O being overrated, is nothing else than another opinion.

Everyone has their own opinion.  Some think Dragon Age: Origins is better, some think Dragon Age 2 is better (though not many ).  

[Raice]

csfteeeer wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

It all boils down to opinion. If you like DA2 better tan DAO fine. If you like DAO more than DA2. Fine. None of you are going to change the mind of the other. Raice has his opinion. xlg and csfteeeer you have your opinion. All the Metacritic scores in the world will not change Raice opinion.

All either of you have is opinion. Either your or someone else's, which I said before means something to EA/Bioware, but not to any one individual person who is able to form his/her own opinion. So you can agree to disagree.

This is absolutely true, the problem is that this little P***k keeps talking as if his opinion was the correct and ours didn't matter, that's my point of view and want i'm trying to imply, this is an opinion, and DA:O being overrated, is nothing else than another opinion.

More name-calling...  Okay....

Let me explain this so that you will understand it.  And you'll forgive me if this comes off harsh?

Your opinion doesn't matter to me and I don't have to validate it if I think it is wrong.  Moreover, on the whole, it doesn't really matter to anyone else in this world, either.  You are obviously having a hard time dealing with this treatment called life.  Try to be grown-up about this - it's just a game.  You don't have to pretend like you're going to change my mind by calling me a "moron" and a "little ****-er".  I assure you - even if you could change my mind on this matter, this is not the way to do it.

To insure that doesn't happen again, I have taken the liberty of reporting you a second time.

Now, let me reiterate something, just in case you missed it the first time in this message.  Also, it's obvious you haven't caught on to the none-too-subtle implications in my previous posts:

YOUR OPINIONS MEAN NOTHING TO ME!  DEAL WITH IT!

If you even had a single shred of actual evidence that even remotely mattered and supported your opinion, I would be inclined to listen.  For instance: awards and "Best of" lists mean absolutely nothing.  It is widely known that "great/perfect/best/90%/9.0+" game site reviews are bought by the Publisher, especially when there are vocal, well-examined, and glaring flaws in the game.  Such was the case with DAO - and don't even TRY to pretend like there weren't serious problems.  I've named half of them in this thread.

The sites are paid off to give better reviews than the game deserves.  This happens all the time.  For example: How did Black Ops get a 9.0 score?  It wasn't THAT good.  Offering anything like that up as a platform to base your argument is going to automatically make anyone who knows what they are talking about, look at your argument as worthless.

Now...

Yes, I do "get it".  I understand that what you consider as "my opinion" isn't something you consider a fact.  I totally understand that for you, that is a truth.  But again, your opinion doesn't matter to me, especially your opinion of MY opinion.  My "opinion" is based on unbiased, realistic criticsms of the facts when comparing the two games, and DA2 just comes out on top.  To me, that is a fact because it's based on facts.

Fact - DA2 plays and runs better on a technical level.

Fact - DA2 doesn't look generic - it has it's own fantasy art style that isn't brown-everywhere.

Fact - DA2 has recycled maps.

Fact - DA2 has a compelling story with an intriguing cast, acceptable closure, epic moments, and a good script.

Fact - DA2 has better balance between classes.

Fact - DA2 has pre-rendered, professionally designed companions that can equip items with applied bonuses.

Fact - DA2 has better balance between attributes and how they work for each class.

Fact - DA2 has fewer skills to choose from, but it allows for a greater possibility of original, effective builds.

NOTE::  I suspect you'll argue this fact somehow with your "DAO has over a million skills!" or whatever, but if you can't understand the significance of the word probability, then I can't help you.

Fact - DA2 doesn't give Warriors, Archer related Abilities, but makes Sword/Shield actually interesting.

NOTE::  This goes for Rogues not being able to use Shields, too.  And, you can assume that I am speaking generically here for all of the abilities in every class.

Fact - DA2 allows the player to build an effective team, rather than (sometimes) effective roles. (can we say tactics?)

Fact - DA2 has ninjas that fall from the sky.

Fact - DA2 has faster gameplay that makes all classes accessably fun to play, instead of just one favorite.

NOTE::  Did you ever try to play DAO as a Warrior?  How about solo?  I have - it was boring, except for maybe the Dual-Wielding build.  You don't even have to like me to agree with this.  To say it wasn't boring is just being silly.  How about a mage?  I have.  It was pretty fun.  Why?  Because I had stuff to do as a Mage.  In DA2, I have stuff to do no matter what class I'm playing.  Logic wins out here, bro.

Fact - DA2 doesn't have a "bird's-eye-view" camera.

Fact - DA2 (On the PC) requires the use of the RMB to initiate Auto-Attack, while employing the use of a Skill Bar, numbered 1-0, to activate abilities.... just like in DAO.

Fact - DA2 doesn't have neat little icons for all the different types of junk you can collect and then sell, unlike all the different types of useless junk you collected and sold in DAO.  (clearly, DAO deserved the 9.5 rating it recieved because of this.)

Fact - DA2 actually had a story that didn't involve you traversing the entire realm in another "Save the world!" plot that every RPG ever made has done and redone to death.  No... it actually tried something different.

Fact - DA2 is not perfect.

Fact - DAO is not perfect.

None of that is an opinion.  But, I'd like for someone to point out which of those facts (the ones that are obviously negative) are actually, realistically, that big of a deal, without spinning their opinion into it.  Please - I'm all ears.


Now... when it comes down to it - my review of the situation pretty much outweighs yours.  Not just because it's mine, but simply... you have no compelling argument that I would even remotely deem as important.  And no one has really been able to state a compelling argument without saying, "That's just your opinion."  Yes, it is my opinion, and it is more right than yours.  How can I say that?  Because I can back it up with evidence and without name calling.

Thus, these complaints are non-issues, just as I have illustrated above.  You don't have to like it, sir.  But you're not going to continue with your hate speech toward me simply because you don't like that I need a little more than "Everyone says so..." to appreciate your point of view.  Well, not everyone says so - because I say different.  And what I say, actually makes sense.  Moreover, I don't really care if you disagree.  On top of that, I don't really care if you don't like that I don't appreciate your non-issues as important.  You can continue to be wrong for all I care.

The FACT is - you're being a jerk, unnecessarily.... about a video game... twice, now.  Your anger stems from the supposition that I am not allowed to disagree with you and claim that my opinion means more to me than yours - and that is just immature on your part.  By extension, your anger stems from the fact that I am not willing to be submissive toward you.  Sorry - but internet bullies are not intimidating to me.

I'm not here to validate you and pretend like your opinion actually matters in the slightest.  I don't have to say you have a right to an opinion.  All I am here to do is say my piece, and continue to debate if I am so inclined.  I'm not here to accept your existence in any capacity.

Now - do you want to go round three with me?  Or would you rather put your big-boy pants on and actually have a decent debate?

Modifié par Raice, 01 juillet 2011 - 04:31 .

[csfteeeer]

Raice wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

It all boils down to opinion. If you like DA2 better tan DAO fine. If you like DAO more than DA2. Fine. None of you are going to change the mind of the other. Raice has his opinion. xlg and csfteeeer you have your opinion. All the Metacritic scores in the world will not change Raice opinion.

All either of you have is opinion. Either your or someone else's, which I said before means something to EA/Bioware, but not to any one individual person who is able to form his/her own opinion. So you can agree to disagree.

This is absolutely true, the problem is that this little P***k keeps talking as if his opinion was the correct and ours didn't matter, that's my point of view and want i'm trying to imply, this is an opinion, and DA:O being overrated, is nothing else than another opinion.

More name-calling...  Okay....

Let me explain this so that you will understand it.  And you'll forgive me if this comes off harsh?

Your opinion doesn't matter to me and I don't have to validate it if I think it is wrong.  Moreover, on the whole, it doesn't really matter to anyone else in this world, either.  You are obviously having a hard time dealing with this treatment called life.  Try to be grown-up about this - it's just a game.  You don't have to pretend like you're going to change my mind by calling me a "moron" and a "little ****-er".  I assure you - even if you could change my mind on this matter, this is not the way to do it.

To insure that doesn't happen again, I have taken the liberty of reporting you a second time.

Now, let me reiterate something, just in case you missed it the first time in this message.  Also, it's obvious you haven't caught on to the none-too-subtle implications in my previous posts:

YOUR OPINIONS MEAN NOTHING TO ME!  DEAL WITH IT!

If you even had a single shred of actual evidence that even remotely mattered and supported your opinion, I would be inclined to listen.  For instance: awards and "Best of" lists mean absolutely nothing.  It is widely known that "great/perfect/best/90%/9.0+" game site reviews are bought by the Publisher, especially when there are vocal, well-examined, and glaring flaws in the game.  Such was the case with DAO - and don't even TRY to pretend like there weren't serious problems.  I've named half of them in this thread.

The sites are paid off to give better reviews than the game deserves.  This happens all the time.  For example: How did Black Ops get a 9.0 score?  It wasn't THAT good.  Offering anything like that up as a platform to base your argument is going to automatically make anyone who knows what they are talking about, look at your argument as worthless.

Now...

Yes, I do "get it".  I understand that what you consider as "my opinion" isn't something you consider a fact.  I totally understand that for you, that is a truth.  But again, your opinion doesn't matter to me, especially your opinion of MY opinion.  My "opinion" is based on unbiased, realistic criticsms of the facts when comparing the two games, and DA2 just comes out on top.  To me, that is a fact because it's based on facts.

Fact - DA2 plays and runs better on a technical level.

Fact - DA2 doesn't look generic - it has it's own fantasy art style that isn't brown-everywhere.

Fact - DA2 has recycled maps.

Fact - DA2 has a compelling story with an intriguing cast, acceptable closure, epic moments, and a good script.

Fact - DA2 has better balance between classes.

Fact - DA2 has pre-rendered, professionally designed companions that can equip items with applied bonuses.

Fact - DA2 has better balance between attributes and how they work for each class.

Fact - DA2 has fewer skills to choose from, but it allows for a greater possibility of original, effective builds.

NOTE::  I suspect you'll argue this fact somehow with your "DAO has over a million skills!" or whatever, but if you can't understand the significance of the word probability, then I can't help you.

Fact - DA2 doesn't give Warriors, Archer related Abilities, but makes Sword/Shield actually interesting.

NOTE::  This goes for Rogues not being able to use Shields, too.  And, you can assume that I am speaking generically here for all of the abilities in every class.

Fact - DA2 allows the player to build an effective team, rather than (sometimes) effective roles. (can we say tactics?)

Fact - DA2 has ninjas that fall from the sky.

Fact - DA2 has faster gameplay that makes all classes accessably fun to play, instead of just one favorite.

NOTE::  Did you ever try to play DAO as a Warrior?  How about solo?  I have - it was boring, except for maybe the Dual-Wielding build.  You don't even have to like me to agree with this.  To say it wasn't boring is just being silly.  How about a mage?  I have.  It was pretty fun.  Why?  Because I had stuff to do as a Mage.  In DA2, I have stuff to do no matter what class I'm playing.  Logic wins out here, bro.

Fact - DA2 doesn't have a "bird's-eye-view" camera.

Fact - DA2 (On the PC) requires the use of the RMB to initiate Auto-Attack, while employing the use of a Skill Bar, numbered 1-0, to activate abilities.... just like in DAO.

Fact - DA2 doesn't have neat little icons for all the different types of junk you can collect and then sell, unlike all the different types of useless junk you collected and sold in DAO.  (clearly, DAO deserved the 9.5 rating it recieved because of this.)

Fact - DA2 actually had a story that didn't involve you traversing the entire realm in another "Save the world!" plot that every RPG ever made has done and redone to death.  No... it actually tried something different.

Fact - DA2 is not perfect.

Fact - DAO is not perfect.

None of that is an opinion.  But, I'd like for someone to point out which of those facts (the ones that are obviously negative) are actually, realistically, that big of a deal, without spinning their opinion into it.  Please - I'm all ears.


Now... when it comes down to it - my review of the situation pretty much outweighs yours.  Not just because it's mine, but simply... you have no compelling argument that I would even remotely deem as important.  And no one has really been able to state a compelling argument without saying, "That's just your opinion."  Yes, it is my opinion, and it is more right than yours.  How can I say that?  Because I can back it up with evidence and without name calling.

Thus, these complaints are non-issues, just as I have illustrated above.  You don't have to like it, sir.  But you're not going to continue with your hate speech toward me simply because you don't like that I need a little more than "Everyone says so..." to appreciate your point of view.  Well, not everyone says so - because I say different.  And what I say, actually makes sense.  Moreover, I don't really care if you disagree.  On top of that, I don't really care if you don't like that I don't appreciate your non-issues as important.  You can continue to be wrong for all I care.

The FACT is - you're being a jerk, unnecessarily.... about a video game... twice, now.  Your anger stems from the supposition that I am not allowed to disagree with you and claim that my opinion means more to me than yours - and that is just immature on your part.  By extension, your anger stems from the fact that I am not willing to be submissive toward you.  Sorry - but internet bullies are not intimidating to me.

I'm not here to validate you and pretend like your opinion actually matters in the slightest.  I don't have to say you have a right to an opinion.  All I am here to do is say my piece, and continue to debate if I am so inclined.  I'm not here to accept your existence in any capacity.

Now - do you want to go round three with me?  Or would you rather put your big-boy pants on and actually have a decent debate?

My Opinion (or xgk's, or anyone else's) don't
have to matter to you, the point is you refer to the flaws of the game
as Non-Issues because they Weren't Issues to you, and you kept talking
as if you were right, as if the things that bothered other people
weren't real problems, and THAT is a fact, is the reason as to why i
considered you a P***k.
When the Hell did i say that My Opinion needed to matter to you?
i
don't care about your opinion, you're nobody.
i have my opinion and my views, what
bothered me is the way you talked and ignored everything else, you don't
have to care about an opinion to respect it, and you were no respecting
other's opinions with your complete dismissing of the game's flaws.
also, i never DAO is perfect, cause it's not.

also, some of Your "FACTS" still don't fit as facts
ex: 
"DA2 has faster gameplay that makes all classes accessably fun to play, instead of just one favorite.

NOTE:: 
Did you ever try to play DAO as a Warrior?  How about solo?  I have -
it was boring, except for maybe the Dual-Wielding build.  You don't even
have to like me to agree with this.  To say it wasn't boring is just
being silly.  How about a mage?  I have.  It was pretty fun.  Why? 
Because I had stuff to do as a Mage.  In DA2, I have stuff to do no
matter what class I'm playing.  Logic wins out here, bro."

Holy S**t, How many God Damn times will i have to repeat Myself?
That, is an opinion.

hmmm.... so how is it that i only had fun playing a Mage
i mean if it's a fact...

"DA2 doesn't have neat little icons for all the different types of junk
you can collect and then sell, unlike all the different types of useless
junk you collected and sold in DAO.  (clearly, DAO deserved the 9.5
rating it recieved because of this.)"

but unlike the useless junk in DA2, they were actually helpful cause at least some helped you by giving the Dwarves diamonds and jewelry, and it actually had some value, unlike in DA2 were the junk is complete f´n useless, it's not even very valuable, which makes nothing than a complete waste of time (great, considering they had to rushed the game, nice use of time)

" Now... when it comes down to it - my review of the situation pretty much
outweighs yours.  Not just because it's mine, but simply... you have no
compelling argument that I would even remotely deem as important.  And
no one has really been able to state a compelling argument without
saying, "That's just your opinion."  Yes, it is my opinion, and it is
more right than yours.  How can I say that?  Because I can back it up
with evidence and without name calling. "

*Sigh*, it's like talking to a Wall.

You don't have evidence, you opinions, opinions you back it with a point of view, not a fact, but whatever, cause i'm done with, i'm not repeating it anymore.

i have no desire of Arguing with you, cause there never was an arguement, it was always a clarification of
1) what you say is an opinion, not a fact.
2) people like you, ****** me off.

Modifié par csfteeeer, 01 juillet 2011 - 05:33 .

[Aurust]

"It all boils down to opinion. If you like DA2 better tan DAO fine. If you like DAO more than DA2. Fine. None of you are going to change the mind of the other. Raice has his opinion. xlg and csfteeeer you have your opinion. All the Metacritic scores in the world will not change Raice opinion.

All either of you have is opinion. Either your or someone else's, which I said before means something to EA/Bioware, but not to any one individual person who is able to form his/her own opinion. So you can agree to disagree. "

quoted from Realmzmaster

My opinion matters the most. DAO is far superior just like the hot coppicolla is superior to ham in a ANY!!!! sandwhich

Modifié par Aurust, 01 juillet 2011 - 05:30 .

[Raice]

csfteeeer wrote...

Raice wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

Realmzmaster wrote...

It all boils down to opinion. If you like DA2 better tan DAO fine. If you like DAO more than DA2. Fine. None of you are going to change the mind of the other. Raice has his opinion. xlg and csfteeeer you have your opinion. All the Metacritic scores in the world will not change Raice opinion.

All either of you have is opinion. Either your or someone else's, which I said before means something to EA/Bioware, but not to any one individual person who is able to form his/her own opinion. So you can agree to disagree.

This is absolutely true, the problem is that this little P***k keeps talking as if his opinion was the correct and ours didn't matter, that's my point of view and want i'm trying to imply, this is an opinion, and DA:O being overrated, is nothing else than another opinion.

More name-calling...  Okay....

Let me explain this so that you will understand it.  And you'll forgive me if this comes off harsh?

Your opinion doesn't matter to me and I don't have to validate it if I think it is wrong.  Moreover, on the whole, it doesn't really matter to anyone else in this world, either.  You are obviously having a hard time dealing with this treatment called life.  Try to be grown-up about this - it's just a game.  You don't have to pretend like you're going to change my mind by calling me a "moron" and a "little ****-er".  I assure you - even if you could change my mind on this matter, this is not the way to do it.

To insure that doesn't happen again, I have taken the liberty of reporting you a second time.

Now, let me reiterate something, just in case you missed it the first time in this message.  Also, it's obvious you haven't caught on to the none-too-subtle implications in my previous posts:

YOUR OPINIONS MEAN NOTHING TO ME!  DEAL WITH IT!

If you even had a single shred of actual evidence that even remotely mattered and supported your opinion, I would be inclined to listen.  For instance: awards and "Best of" lists mean absolutely nothing.  It is widely known that "great/perfect/best/90%/9.0+" game site reviews are bought by the Publisher, especially when there are vocal, well-examined, and glaring flaws in the game.  Such was the case with DAO - and don't even TRY to pretend like there weren't serious problems.  I've named half of them in this thread.

The sites are paid off to give better reviews than the game deserves.  This happens all the time.  For example: How did Black Ops get a 9.0 score?  It wasn't THAT good.  Offering anything like that up as a platform to base your argument is going to automatically make anyone who knows what they are talking about, look at your argument as worthless.

Now...

Yes, I do "get it".  I understand that what you consider as "my opinion" isn't something you consider a fact.  I totally understand that for you, that is a truth.  But again, your opinion doesn't matter to me, especially your opinion of MY opinion.  My "opinion" is based on unbiased, realistic criticsms of the facts when comparing the two games, and DA2 just comes out on top.  To me, that is a fact because it's based on facts.

Fact - DA2 plays and runs better on a technical level.

Fact - DA2 doesn't look generic - it has it's own fantasy art style that isn't brown-everywhere.

Fact - DA2 has recycled maps.

Fact - DA2 has a compelling story with an intriguing cast, acceptable closure, epic moments, and a good script.

Fact - DA2 has better balance between classes.

Fact - DA2 has pre-rendered, professionally designed companions that can equip items with applied bonuses.

Fact - DA2 has better balance between attributes and how they work for each class.

Fact - DA2 has fewer skills to choose from, but it allows for a greater possibility of original, effective builds.

NOTE::  I suspect you'll argue this fact somehow with your "DAO has over a million skills!" or whatever, but if you can't understand the significance of the word probability, then I can't help you.

Fact - DA2 doesn't give Warriors, Archer related Abilities, but makes Sword/Shield actually interesting.

NOTE::  This goes for Rogues not being able to use Shields, too.  And, you can assume that I am speaking generically here for all of the abilities in every class.

Fact - DA2 allows the player to build an effective team, rather than (sometimes) effective roles. (can we say tactics?)

Fact - DA2 has ninjas that fall from the sky.

Fact - DA2 has faster gameplay that makes all classes accessably fun to play, instead of just one favorite.

NOTE::  Did you ever try to play DAO as a Warrior?  How about solo?  I have - it was boring, except for maybe the Dual-Wielding build.  You don't even have to like me to agree with this.  To say it wasn't boring is just being silly.  How about a mage?  I have.  It was pretty fun.  Why?  Because I had stuff to do as a Mage.  In DA2, I have stuff to do no matter what class I'm playing.  Logic wins out here, bro.

Fact - DA2 doesn't have a "bird's-eye-view" camera.

Fact - DA2 (On the PC) requires the use of the RMB to initiate Auto-Attack, while employing the use of a Skill Bar, numbered 1-0, to activate abilities.... just like in DAO.

Fact - DA2 doesn't have neat little icons for all the different types of junk you can collect and then sell, unlike all the different types of useless junk you collected and sold in DAO.  (clearly, DAO deserved the 9.5 rating it recieved because of this.)

Fact - DA2 actually had a story that didn't involve you traversing the entire realm in another "Save the world!" plot that every RPG ever made has done and redone to death.  No... it actually tried something different.

Fact - DA2 is not perfect.

Fact - DAO is not perfect.

None of that is an opinion.  But, I'd like for someone to point out which of those facts (the ones that are obviously negative) are actually, realistically, that big of a deal, without spinning their opinion into it.  Please - I'm all ears.


Now... when it comes down to it - my review of the situation pretty much outweighs yours.  Not just because it's mine, but simply... you have no compelling argument that I would even remotely deem as important.  And no one has really been able to state a compelling argument without saying, "That's just your opinion."  Yes, it is my opinion, and it is more right than yours.  How can I say that?  Because I can back it up with evidence and without name calling.

Thus, these complaints are non-issues, just as I have illustrated above.  You don't have to like it, sir.  But you're not going to continue with your hate speech toward me simply because you don't like that I need a little more than "Everyone says so..." to appreciate your point of view.  Well, not everyone says so - because I say different.  And what I say, actually makes sense.  Moreover, I don't really care if you disagree.  On top of that, I don't really care if you don't like that I don't appreciate your non-issues as important.  You can continue to be wrong for all I care.

The FACT is - you're being a jerk, unnecessarily.... about a video game... twice, now.  Your anger stems from the supposition that I am not allowed to disagree with you and claim that my opinion means more to me than yours - and that is just immature on your part.  By extension, your anger stems from the fact that I am not willing to be submissive toward you.  Sorry - but internet bullies are not intimidating to me.

I'm not here to validate you and pretend like your opinion actually matters in the slightest.  I don't have to say you have a right to an opinion.  All I am here to do is say my piece, and continue to debate if I am so inclined.  I'm not here to accept your existence in any capacity.

Now - do you want to go round three with me?  Or would you rather put your big-boy pants on and actually have a decent debate?

My Opinion (or xgk's, or anyone else's) don't
have to matter to you, the point is you refer to the flaws of the game
as Non-Issues because they Weren't Issues to you, and you kept talking
as if you were right, as if the things that bothered other people
weren't real problems, and THAT is a fact, is the reason as to why i
considered you a P***k.
When the Hell did i say that My Opinion needed to matter to you?
i
don't care about your opinion, you're nobody.
i have my opinion and my views, what
bothered me is the way you talked and ignored everything else, you don't
have to care about an opinion to respect it, and you were no respecting
other's opinions with your complete dismissing of the game's flaws.
also, i never DAO is perfect, cause it's not.

also, some of Your "FACTS" still don't fit as facts
ex: 
"DA2 has faster gameplay that makes all classes accessably fun to play, instead of just one favorite.

NOTE:: 
Did you ever try to play DAO as a Warrior?  How about solo?  I have -
it was boring, except for maybe the Dual-Wielding build.  You don't even
have to like me to agree with this.  To say it wasn't boring is just
being silly.  How about a mage?  I have.  It was pretty fun.  Why? 
Because I had stuff to do as a Mage.  In DA2, I have stuff to do no
matter what class I'm playing.  Logic wins out here, bro."

Holy S**t, How many God Damn times will i have to repeat Myself?
That, is an opinion.

hmmm.... so how is it that i only had fun playing a Mage
i mean if it's a fact...

"DA2 doesn't have neat little icons for all the different types of junk
you can collect and then sell, unlike all the different types of useless
junk you collected and sold in DAO.  (clearly, DAO deserved the 9.5
rating it recieved because of this.)"

but unlike the useless junk in DA2, they were actually helpful cause at least some helped you by giving the Dwarves diamonds and jewelry, and it actually had some value, unlike in DA2 were the junk is complete f´n useless, it's not even very valuable, which makes nothing than a complete waste of time (great, considering they had to rushed the game, nice use of time)

" Now... when it comes down to it - my review of the situation pretty much
outweighs yours.  Not just because it's mine, but simply... you have no
compelling argument that I would even remotely deem as important.  And
no one has really been able to state a compelling argument without
saying, "That's just your opinion."  Yes, it is my opinion, and it is
more right than yours.  How can I say that?  Because I can back it up
with evidence and without name calling. "

*Sigh*, it's like talking to a Wall.

You don't have evidence, you opinions, opinions you back it with a point of view, not a fact, but whatever, cause i'm done with, i'm not repeating it anymore.

i have no desire of Arguing with you, cause there never was an arguement, it was always a clarification of
1) what you say is an opinion, not a fact.
2) people like you, ****** me off.

Dude... you read half of what I say and react on impulse - presumably because "People like me ****** you off."  I'm really done debating the issue.  I've said everything that needs to be said.  My contention now is simply, for someone who doesn't care about my opinion, sure gets easily pissy about someone who says their opinion is a non-issue.

Speaking of which, maybe I didn't make myself clear.  Specifically, my argument here is not necessarily that your opinion is worthless (even though it is), but more that your reasons for your opinion are non-issues, thereby making your opinion unimportant.  On top of that, I think one problem here is I am gving you the benefit of the doubt, because I'm trying to save myself from typing 10 million words.  I am taking for granted that you actually are able to converse with me with the same level of skill that I have continued to demonstrate toward you.  I sincerely apologize for my error in judgement concerning that.  Even with everything I type already, I evidently still have to spell everything out for you in detail.

I don't have to respect your opinion.  I thought I clearly spelled it out for you with the three or four paragraphs I just wrote.  Clearly your reading comprehension is non-existent.  You're getting mad based off of some principal you hold... that I don't agree with, especially since you started with the name calling?  I don't care how mad you are or how much you can't control your temper - you cannot justify your behavior.

I respect the fact that you have an opinion, sure.  But...  your reasons for your opinion are non-issues... they're... dumb.  It's like saying you would rather drive a Ford instead of a Porsche, because: of the two you have to select from, the Ford is Red, and you like the color more.  As if the color even matters!  You don't offer up any reason that actually makes sense, like: I can afford the insurance on the Ford; The Ford gets better gas mileage.  No - your reason is "I like the color."  I get that that's YOUR opinion.  But dude... I'm gonna call BS on it.  I'm sorry.  That's just how it works.  Trust me... you'll thank me later - geez....  

It would be the same thing if you had a hot wife that's so hot, it's stupid, and a perfect marriage, and came to me with something dumb like, "I got it on with this (kind of gross) waitress behind a dumpster at the coffee shop, and my wife found out, and then the waitress ran off with this college dude she was dating, and now I'm getting a divorce.  What should I do?"  At that moment, I would literally kick your ass right there.  And there would be nothing you could say or to do get out of it.  You would accept it because you deserved it.  And there's not a single "guy" here who understands even the most basic form of "The Bro Code"  that would fault me for it, because they would do the same thing.  You should just expect it.  Your complaints and your "reasonings" are a lot like that scenario to me.  Maybe I'm the only one that sees it like that - I don't know.

If my friend and I were having this same discussion, I would say the same things to him: that his complaints are non-issues.  It's not me being a jerk - I'm just trying to explain to him that he's whining about superpulous, nitpicky, bullcrap.  Sorry pal - it's just dumb.

If that makes you feel unimportant, then maybe you should reevaluate your self-esteem.  I'm not here to make sure yours is working properly.  Here's a test, though - because I'm a nice guy and I want to help you out.  Depending on your answer, you might want to seek help, and I'm not kidding.

"My opinion is fact, because I say it is.  Your opinion is unconstituted, because I say it is.  And there is nothing that you can say that will make this statement untrue.  Moreover, DA2 is better because I say it is - that's a fact.  And... well... your opinion of that statement does not matter... in fact... I would down right just about say it is completely unimportant."

If anything in that statement made you enrage with unquentiable fury - then you failed the test.  This is a forum... for a game.... relax.  Also... try to understand everything people are saying, especially when you are going to reply to them.  Also, try to pretend like maybe you might not be understanding what the person is actually saying.  Also.... stop being a whiney child by getting mad that you don't get your way.  And stop with the completely unnecessary name-calling.  And above all else - stop with this self-righteous BS about how "He's not respecting my opinion *boohoo*!"  I don't live in your little fantasy setting where everyone has this understood sense of honor.  You CLEARLY don't even follow your own rules.  So just drop the act.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

ITT: "I'm not a jerk, you're a jerk, you stupid jerk!"

[KnightofPhoenix]

mrcrusty wrote...

ITT: "I'm not a jerk, you're a jerk, you stupid jerk!"

Thanks for the summary, for a moment I was considering reading all this

[Collider]

Are we debating whether DA:O or DA2 being better than the other is a fact? That's worthless.