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[erynnar]

ademska wrote...

jshadow wrote...

The only thing that DA2 improved from DA:O is combat and skill points.
Rest was just rubish:
Lack of RPG (talking with companions especially), recycled areas, elves looking like damn mutants, the way they ffffed up Ander's personality (awakening was so much better and less gayish) and last but not least the end FORCED choice; if you had exiled prince it sucked even more, because one way or another, you loose 1 companion.
For Bioware's sake, I hope the DA3 gets fixed.

the rest of it's your own opinion but if you wanna go we'll go.

don't bring this crap in here.

I say he can bring it. And if you don't want people who disklike the Janders ridiculousness, then stick with the love Anders thread, there has to be one on these forums, right? Me, hate Anders in DA2. It's my opinion, and it just as valid as yours.

[ademska]

erynnar wrote...

I say he can bring it. And if you don't want people who disklike the Janders ridiculousness, then stick with the love Anders thread, there has to be one on these forums, right? Me, hate Anders in DA2. It's my opinion, and it just as valid as yours.

did you miss where i bolded the homophobic slur? because there are really only two ways to read that:
anders as a love interest for male hawkes is "gayish" and he was better when he was 'less gay'.
or, anders' more tragic behavior versus his daa personality is 'gay'. which, no, not even close to cool.

i don't give a damn if he hates anders, that's his opinion, but don't bring that other crap in here.

Modifié par ademska, 09 juillet 2011 - 08:03 .

[erynnar]

ademska wrote...

erynnar wrote...

I say he can bring it. And if you don't want people who disklike the Janders ridiculousness, then stick with the love Anders thread, there has to be one on these forums, right? Me, hate Anders in DA2. It's my opinion, and it just as valid as yours.

did you miss where i bolded the homophobic slur? because there are really only two ways to read that:
anders as a love interest for male hawkes is "gayish" and he was better when he was 'less gay'.
or, anders' more tragic behavior versus his daa personality is 'gay'. which, no, not even close to cool.

i don't give a damn if he hates anders, that's his opinion, but don't bring that other crap in here.

And you're not the police. Report him. Because yes, I missed it.

[xkg]

@erynnar
She is. Look at ademska's avatar

Modifié par xkg, 09 juillet 2011 - 08:23 .

[ademska]

i am so the police

but also yeah just no gay slurs pleeeeaasseeee

[erynnar]

ademska wrote...

i am so the police

but also yeah just no gay slurs pleeeeaasseeee

ROFL! Totally missed the cop car. However, I can agree to no slurs.

[fightright2]

How about slurp-ees? Preferably, cherry flavored!

[philippe willaume]

ademska wrote...

i am so the police

but also yeah just no gay slurs pleeeeaasseeee

To be fair that could be the police or an undercover for news of the world; ie Jumping to conclusion, presenting information in a way that suits you and condemning without a trial.
 
It is possible that you got the wrong end of the stick you know.   May be jshadow is raving homophobe or he is just miffed that Anders shifted from a well drown character, that he very possibly have liked to a dear diary moppet.
 
In all fairness my Cartesian upbringing lend me to believe that raving homophobes  would not buy, let alone care about a game where you can have same sex relationship so ranting about a character shift from one instalment to the other is not very likely to carry sweeping judgement on sexual orientation unless you are looking for it.

So get off your white steed and PM him, not that it is not a battle worth taking but this is neither the place nor a right pretext.

Modifié par philippe willaume, 09 juillet 2011 - 09:11 .

[jshadow]

and just for the record, NO, I ain't a homophobe, but I just hate how they ruined Anders for DA2
being gay is the least on the problems, it's his sad-sad-sad-mages-must-be-free-I'm-never-happy-demand-JUSTICE personality that he has going on

[philippe willaume]

jshadow wrote...

and just for the record, NO, I ain't a homophobe, but I just hate how they ruined Anders for DA2
being gay is the least on the problems, it's his sad-sad-sad-mages-must-be-free-I'm-never-happy-demand-JUSTICE personality that he has going on

Hello
You did not really have to justify yourself bud,it was pretty clear from your original post that you were after the charater shift between DA:A and DA2.

That being said I have to apologize to ademska for my ribbing.
HieOapeen has definitely proven me wrong in my assumption.....
phil

[JaegerBane]

erynnar wrote...
I hope I am proven wrong, but I don't think DLC are going to help make this game better than DAO. Not if that ridiculous LoTR troll is any indication. Oh, sorry, Genlock. Because to me, it smacks of more of the same.

I dunno. Never underestimate how much better an expansion can make a game, as a whole. Mask of the Betrayer fixed pretty much everything wrong with the original campaign, with mature elements, excellent features and a story that ranks as one of the best of all RPGs. Even those cranks over at RPG Codex liked it.

Of course, I've no idea whether the DA team have the stomach for making that much effort into DLCs. Bioware have the dubious honour of being responsible for some of the very best, and very worst DLCs of any game, so it could swing either way.

I suppose it shouldn't, but the retconned darkspawn really, really ****** me off on a level I don't even know how to describe. I hate them with a passion. I will be waiting for gamer reviews. So far, not impressed by the pics (seriously they should have done a sequel with the Architect, instead we get the "Conductor."). 

I think it's universally acknowledged that the Darkspawn retcon was, at best, unnecessary. It's probably one of the more inexplicable changes they made to DA2. That said, I certainly didn't see anything in the trailer that made me think it'll be a waste of time. That may be down to the simple fact that it's DA2 taking place in somewhere that isn't Kirkwall or that same damn cave, but at least it's positive start.

IMHO, the dragon age universe does best when it focuses on the lore behind the Grey Wardens/Darkspawn. Trying to sideline that is a bit like trying to sideline the Jedi and the Sith in Star Wars - except for a few notable exceptions, it just reduces the impact and the richness of the background.

Modifié par JaegerBane, 09 juillet 2011 - 11:06 .

[Tirfan]

^ Kind of warily agree, I think the new armor designs are even worse change than the Darkspawn, while the armors in the DA:O weren't really great they at least seemed somewhat plausible, the DA2 armors.. I don't understand, they don't look functional, they don't look anywhere realistic, they don't even look like they could be made in the setting (but MAGIC.. which people are wary of and probably wouldn't want to use so very much).. but the newGenlocks have made me rethink this stance.

Well, when it comes down to it, what are Darkspawn/how they came into being/what are old gods/how much Chantry lies - are all at least at some level connected, and I do think that Old Gods are one of the most interesting things lore-wise, and I would love to explore them more, and this should/would reveal things about the Darkspawn, blights, how badly the story in the chant is different from what really happened etc.

And I kind of thought that this was the direction the DA-series would head towards, we defeated the Archdemon & Darkspawn & learned some things about them.. and this knowledge we gained didn't exactly answer many questions, but rather opened up many more, which then, were never explored, in the sequel which would have made sense, at least to me..

I really hope that the mage/templar conflict is just a framework that BW tries to use to give your characters quest a sense of urgency when trying to stop it, and focuses more on the interesting parts of the lore, which can be used in some way to stop the conflict.

[JaegerBane]

Tirfan wrote...

^ Kind of warily agree, I think the new armor designs are even worse change than the Darkspawn, while the armors in the DA:O weren't really great they at least seemed somewhat plausible, the DA2 armors.. I don't understand, they don't look functional, they don't look anywhere realistic, they don't even look like they could be made in the setting (but MAGIC.. which people are wary of and probably wouldn't want to use so very much).. but the newGenlocks have made me rethink this stance.

Possibly. I definitely agree that some of the armour just looks absurd... particularly those daft chestplates with the giant piece of metal sticking out just in the right position for an opponent to grab....

On the other hand, the high level Apostate's Mask and Malcom's Bequest from the item DLC rank as probably one of the best looking mage robes I've ever seen in a fantasy game. It's a mixed bag.

The Genlocks, I dunno, I can take it or leave it. I think they look pretty cool but frankly, I don't understand why the devs just didn't introduce a new creature, rather than retconning an old one. I'm half expecting the Deep Stalkers to have wings and two heads at this rate.

Well, when it comes down to it, what are Darkspawn/how they came into being/what are old gods/how much Chantry lies - are all at least at some level connected, and I do think that Old Gods are one of the most interesting things lore-wise, and I would love to explore them more, and this should/would reveal things about the Darkspawn, blights, how badly the story in the chant is different from what really happened etc.

And I kind of thought that this was the direction the DA-series would head towards, we defeated the Archdemon & Darkspawn & learned some things about them.. and this knowledge we gained didn't exactly answer many questions, but rather opened up many more, which then, were never explored, in the sequel which would have made sense, at least to me..

As did I. I assumed Awakening was setting up DA2, and the hero's job was to delve into the origins of the Darkspawn, and the Old Gods, and possibly figure out how and where the Architect came to be. I even thought this right up until I started Act 2 - I thought Act 1 was leading into this, with the discovery down in the Deep Roads that might shed light on what has been going on for 1200 years.

Only, all that mysterious stuff is put to one side and the game insists on dragging me through all this politicking that I couldn't care less about, in a town I'm sick of,  and forces me to to mess about with all sorts of side issues that were already done to death in the first game. I couldn't care less about the Mage/Templar war. So what? Both sides hate each other, both sides want power, both sides have a scrap. We've seen it a million times before. I'd rather the games concentrate on the genuinely mysterious stuff that defines the DA universe, and leave all this high-brow politicking for side quests where it belongs.

[JFarr74]

jshadow wrote...

and just for the record, NO, I ain't a homophobe, but I just hate how they ruined Anders for DA2
being gay is the least on the problems, it's his sad-sad-sad-mages-must-be-free-I'm-never-happy-demand-JUSTICE personality that he has going on

What's going on now?

[ademska]

JFarr74 wrote...

What's going on now?

a dingleberry said anders was better when he was "less gayish", and regardless of whether he meant general da2 characterization or as an actual bisexual love interest, it was stupid to say.

note: i didn't call him a homophobe, i called his word choice and intent homophobic. big diff.

on topic, i just had a big conversation with someone about this, and since character writing matter so much to me, i realized a big part of why i enjoy da2's cast so much more than dao's is because da2's actually form relationships with each other apart from the pc. it seemed so much more alive to me.

Modifié par ademska, 10 juillet 2011 - 02:32 .

[ipgd]

philippe willaume wrote...
 
It is possible that you got the wrong end of the stick you know.   May be jshadow is raving homophobe or he is just miffed that Anders shifted from a well drown character, that he very possibly have liked to a dear diary moppet.

It's hilarious how partisan these boards have become. Sometimes I feel like I'm sitting in on American congress, watching people indiscriminately defend or attack the ideas and actions of people as long as they respectively fall into or outside their "group", content and inanity be damned.

Modifié par ipgd, 10 juillet 2011 - 03:13 .

[ademska]

ipgd wrote...
It's hilarious how partisan these boards have become. Sometimes I feel like I'm sitting in on American congress, watching people indiscriminately defend or attack the ideas and actions of people as long as they respectively fall into or outside their "group", content and inanity be damned.

edit: YEAH

Modifié par ademska, 10 juillet 2011 - 03:11 .

[erynnar]

JaegerBane wrote...

erynnar wrote...
I hope I am proven wrong, but I don't think DLC are going to help make this game better than DAO. Not if that ridiculous LoTR troll is any indication. Oh, sorry, Genlock. Because to me, it smacks of more of the same.

I dunno. Never underestimate how much better an expansion can make a game, as a whole. Mask of the Betrayer fixed pretty much everything wrong with the original campaign, with mature elements, excellent features and a story that ranks as one of the best of all RPGs. Even those cranks over at RPG Codex liked it.

Of course, I've no idea whether the DA team have the stomach for making that much effort into DLCs. Bioware have the dubious honour of being responsible for some of the very best, and very worst DLCs of any game, so it could swing either way.

I suppose it shouldn't, but the retconned darkspawn really, really ****** me off on a level I don't even know how to describe. I hate them with a passion. I will be waiting for gamer reviews. So far, not impressed by the pics (seriously they should have done a sequel with the Architect, instead we get the "Conductor."). 

I think it's universally acknowledged that the Darkspawn retcon was, at best, unnecessary. It's probably one of the more inexplicable changes they made to DA2. That said, I certainly didn't see anything in the trailer that made me think it'll be a waste of time. That may be down to the simple fact that it's DA2 taking place in somewhere that isn't Kirkwall or that same damn cave, but at least it's positive start.

IMHO, the dragon age universe does best when it focuses on the lore behind the Grey Wardens/Darkspawn. Trying to sideline that is a bit like trying to sideline the Jedi and the Sith in Star Wars - except for a few notable exceptions, it just reduces the impact and the richness of the background.

Point taken! It could make it better I suppose. Food for thought!

[erynnar]

ademska wrote...

JFarr74 wrote...

What's going on now?

a dingleberry said anders was better when he was "less gayish", and regardless of whether he meant general da2 characterization or as an actual bisexual love interest, it was stupid to say.

note: i didn't call him a homophobe, i called his word choice and intent homophobic. big diff.

on topic, i just had a big conversation with someone about this, and since character writing matter so much to me, i realized a big part of why i enjoy da2's cast so much more than dao's is because da2's actually form relationships with each other apart from the pc. it seemed so much more alive to me.

I do like that they do that outside of Hawke. But dammit! Do they have to like the dog better? I mean he gets invited to the Hanged Man for Diamond Back!

[TEWR]

IMHO, the dragon age universe does best when it focuses on the lore behind the Grey Wardens/Darkspawn. Trying to sideline that is a bit like trying to sideline the Jedi and the Sith in Star Wars - except for a few notable exceptions, it just reduces the impact and the richness of the background.

I disagree with you. If you focus too much on one point, all the other points become dull. If the devs kept the focus on the Darkspawn and the Grey Wardens, then everything else wouldn't matter.


Tevinter, Qunari, Templars and Mages, elves, dwarves, etc..


They need to expand on the universe and its inhabitants. Not be tied down to the Grey Wardens and the Darkspawn.

[JFarr74]

erynnar wrote...

ademska wrote...

JFarr74 wrote...

What's going on now?

a dingleberry said anders was better when he was "less gayish", and regardless of whether he meant general da2 characterization or as an actual bisexual love interest, it was stupid to say.

note: i didn't call him a homophobe, i called his word choice and intent homophobic. big diff.

on topic, i just had a big conversation with someone about this, and since character writing matter so much to me, i realized a big part of why i enjoy da2's cast so much more than dao's is because da2's actually form relationships with each other apart from the pc. it seemed so much more alive to me.

I do like that they do that outside of Hawke. But dammit! Do they have to like the dog better? I mean he gets invited to the Hanged Man for Diamond Back!

How did we get on the topic of gay romances?

[ademska]

JFarr74 wrote...

How did we get on the topic of gay romances?

because someone brought up anders and gay in a negative manner, and now we're trying to drop it, so quit asking.


oh lord, i would never want to play a series that focused only on one aspect of lore when there's so much potential otherwise. the political intrigue, from orzammar and the landsmeet to all of da2, was by far the most interesting part of dragon age for me.

darkspawn are an undeterrable force of irredeemable evil. that's totally fine, because it's tempered by the rest of the game being morally gray, but the only thing about the darkspawn that is remotely interesting to me is the ambiguous nature of their origin. which, please note, is ambiguous because of the morally gray chantry obfuscating their history and conflicting with other sources.

if they only focused on darkspawn and grey wardens, we wouldn't have that cool point of contention, and that would be a real shame.

[TEWR]

technically the Darkspawn are now a gray issue what with them being able to join the Order of Disciples (what I like to call the Disciples)

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 10 juillet 2011 - 04:39 .

[ademska]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

technically the Darkspawn are now a gray issue what with them being able to join the Order of Disciples (what I like to call the Disciples)

horsedongs, that barely counts.

...okay, no, it counts, but only enough so that they move from morally dolce&gabbana midnight to ferragamo onyx.

[Lethvienne]

Getting back to the Dragon Age discussion, here's a thought . . .

Instead of trying to pass Dragon Age 2 off as a sequel to Origins (which it really isn't anyway), why not think of the world of Dragon Age as being sort of like Forgotten Realms? When I say Forgotten Realms, I just mean that there can be many different stories happening at the same time, on the same continent or in the same country, but with completely different plots, characters, et cetera. They all take place in the same world, but are not connected to each other, save for the same character from one story making an appearance in a completely different story. Like Anders appearing in Dragon Age 2.

So, instead of calling Dragon Age 2 a sequel to Origins, call it the first installment in a completely different story. Because DA2 really didn't answer any of the questions Origins left us with. I, and apparently many others, still feel like the Warden's story is nowhere near complete. So, if they stop calling DA2 a sequel and instead consider it to be the first of an entirely different storyline, then that would allow them to truly make an Origins sequel that could continue the Warden's story with either the Hero of Ferelden or the Orlaisian Warden, depending on what the players chose, and probably without the Warden being voice acted (which I would prefer, honestly), but with better facial expressions, better graphics. . .things like that. Would that be so terrible?

Truth be told, if BioWare did take this approach I would dislike Dragon Age 2 a lot less. I wouldn't reject it so completely, because now it's not the poorly made, ill-thought sequel to Origins that continued and answered absolutely nothing; it's a different story that is all its own that expands on Thedas itself, if not the Warden's story - no more comparing it to Origins.

Just a thought.

Modifié par Lethvienne, 10 juillet 2011 - 05:36 .