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[JamieCOTC]

I know Nathanial Howe is in the game if he lived in Awakning, yet I cannot find him, or a quest to find him.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks!

[reddragon_756]

There's a quest you can get in Act 3 where you have to find him.

[Shadowrun1177]

I had this problem on my last play through. I was playing a rogue and I know Nathaniel lived in awakening because I imported a save where my Warden saved the keep not the city. So the only reason why I could think that the Nathaniel quest didn't show up even though the guide say I met the requirement is cause his sister died and it's an unnamed condition or something.

[JamieCOTC]

reddragon_756 wrote...

There's a quest you can get in Act 3 where you have to find him.

Thanks.  I looked it up and his siter is supposed to be near the Chantry or something, but she doesn't show up in my playthrough.  Apparently finding him has an afect on Hawke's sibling, if a Warden. 

[reddragon_756]

Then I guess if your sibling becomes a Warden, you won't get the quest? Because on both of my playthroughs, my sibling hasn't become a Warden and I got the quest both times.

[Shadowrun1177]

According to the guide, your still suppose to get the quest if your sibling becomes a Warden. There are three cameo moments at least according to the guide where you run into your sibling before the end. The first is at the end of act two when you run into the Wardens, the second is suppose to be the Finding Nathaniel quest, and the third is the Best Served Cold quest. Then at the end they are suppose to show up again and be able to join you to help.

On the play through I mentioned Bethany showed up at the end of act 2, though she seemed cold and distant from Hawke. Then in act 3 no Deliah Howe so no Finding Nathaniel quest so no cameo there,but she was in the Best Served Cold quest having been taken from the Wardens and she seemed to be not as cold or distant toward Hawke. She showed up for the Last Straw Quest and joined my Hawke again at least for that and seemed to have forgiven and understood why Hawke choose to have her join the Wardens.

[metalcraze33]

My character i imported killed him would he still be in DA 2?

[Shadowrun1177]

If he's dead how can there be quest, pretty simple answer there. According to the guide these are the requirements for the Quest to show up.

Finding Nathaniel:
To play this quest, you must be using an imported Dragon Age:Origins world state in which you played the Awakening expansion, recruited Nathaniel, and he was not killed in the siege on Vigils Keep. This is also available if you select the Martyr preset world state during the initial character creation process.

[White_Buffalo94]

I haven't been able to get the quest although my awakening epilogue said that nathaniel survived the battle when I saved amaranthine. Idk if sparing or killing the architect has any effect, but I really want to see the cameo.

[The Lesser Evil]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

If he's dead how can there be quest, pretty simple answer there. According to the guide these are the requirements for the Quest to show up.

Finding Nathaniel:
To play this quest, you must be using an imported Dragon Age:Origins world state in which you played the Awakening expansion, recruited Nathaniel, and he was not killed in the siege on Vigils Keep. This is also available if you select the Martyr preset world state during the initial character creation process.

I have three characters that played through DA:O, DA:OA and the other expansions. Nathanial survived in all three of their stories. However, his cameo only occurs in one of the three imports, the other two get the Fool's Gold quest in act 2. Bugged bugs are bugged.

[White_Buffalo94]

@ The Lesser Evil, on the one that did get the cameo, did you do anything worthy of mentioning different than the other two?

[The Lesser Evil]

White_Buffalo94 wrote...

@ The Lesser Evil, on the one that did get the cameo, did you do anything worthy of mentioning different than the other two?

Do you mean on one of my three Wardens, or on one of my Hawkes? I've done four Hawkes so far that went far enough into the game to be able to tell if I'd get the Nathaniel cameo (the replacement quest is available at the start of Act 2).

On my Warden (Queen Cousland) that did get the Nathaniel cameo I didn't do ANYTHING differently in Awakening that I can recall. Though I might not have had Nathaniel along on my Dalish Rogue playthrough, I did have him along on my Human Mage playthrough and did the same things (killed the Architect, saved Amaranthine City with Nathaniel tagging along) as on my Cousland game. Oh, and my Dalish spared the Architect, though neither my Dalish import or my Mage import had Nathaniel, despite different dealings with the Architect.

I did do things differently in Origins, primarly:

- Not stopping Genetivi from spreading the word on the Ashes;
- Anulling the Circle;
- Preserving the Anvil of the Void.

I doubt any of those things would have affected anything, though.

As for what I did with Hawke... nothing different, really. I've done two mages with different imports (Queen Cousland who got the cameo, Amell import who did not) that only did minor things differently in Act 1. The only consistent thing I did differently from the first playthrough where I DID get the cameo was that I betrayed the smugglers and worked with the mercenaries in all but the first playthrough because that nets you more gold.

No clue if that affects anything, though. I'm currently playing a Rogue that betrayed the smugglers and sided with the mercenaries to get into Kirkwall, on the Queen Cousland import. I'll see if that affects anything at all, though it would be kind of weird if it does.

[HippeusOmega]

I have had trouble with this quest also triggering. Most ppl told me it was cause i left N. Howe at the keep and killed the artitetech. so this time i brough howe with me and spared the artitech. Both cases i saved the city. Haven't tried my latest that i just mentioned where i saved the city, brough N. Howe with me and spared the artitech. Wish the hell bioware would give us answers on this. Sometimes i feel game companies should be paying us to beta test their games.

@Lesser Evil. Did the Amell import mage file give u any unquie dialogue in act 1 about a family member already being the hero of felederan?

[sheppard7]

metalcraze33 wrote...

My character i imported killed him would he still be in DA 2?

It's possible with the importing issues of this game.

Mine killed Zevran but yet here he was in DA2. Forgot to get Lelianna but yet she was said to helped the Warden kill the archdemon. WHAT?

Mine killed Anders but yet at the end he was said to be the only one who didn't leave Hawke.

Another import Anders died in Awakening but yet here he was.


People don't die in Dragon Age, their death is fake. So those who want both Kaden and Ashley back in ME3, there is now a good chance since Bioware ignores deaths.

Modifié par sheppard7, 29 mars 2011 - 01:33 .

[The Lesser Evil]

Panznerr wrote...

I have had trouble with this quest also triggering. Most ppl told me it was cause i left N. Howe at the keep and killed the artitetech. so this time i brough howe with me and spared the artitech. Both cases i saved the city. Haven't tried my latest that i just mentioned where i saved the city, brough N. Howe with me and spared the artitech. Wish the hell bioware would give us answers on this. Sometimes i feel game companies should be paying us to beta test their games.

@Lesser Evil. Did the Amell import mage file give u any unquie dialogue in act 1 about a family member already being the hero of felederan?

Yes, there's added dialogue when speaking to Leandra and asking her about her family. She'll mention that the Hero of Ferelden was an Amell, one of her cousin Revka's children that were taken to the Circle (suggesting that the Amell mage had siblings).

And I have two different imports where I took Nathaniel with me for the entire Awakening expansion that still resulted in the quest being available in one (Cousland) and not available in the other (Amell) despite not making ANY different choices.

I'm still going to go with my "This stuff is bugged up the bumhole" assessment when it comes to Nathaniel.

[HippeusOmega]

Simple fact is they gave us the ability to import Awakening which was a big mistake since awakening was so buggy and glitchy to begin with. I only have my Queen Cousland file from the first game now. May consider making a Amell file since i know the magi human is related to them. Think though i'll have the amell mage die at the end of origins if i do another playthrough. But yeah i just bought the guide also and it seems the quest involving nathaniel is really buggy. One problem was the fact there was no eplilogue save file for awakening or golems only origins and witch hunt.

[Bitterfoam]

Is Fool's Gold a replacement quest - as in, by it showing up, like you said, it means Finding Nathaniel won't show up?

The Dragon Age wiki currently states the following: "If you accept Fool’s Gold, you cannot undertake the Finding Nathaniel quest in Act 3. It is only possible to play one of these two quests in a given playthrough."

This would indicate that it is not a replacement quest, per se, but that by doing it it means Finding Nathaniel will not trigger at all. Thus, to test this, don't do Fool's Gold, and see if Finding Nathaniel does trigger in Act 3. I'll be trying this, since in my first playthrough I did do Fool's Gold, and Finding Nathaniel never did trigger in Act 3.

[Inzhuna]

Sadly, like many other things, it's bugged. Nathaniel only appeared in one of my 4 imports, even though he was recruited and survived in 3 of them.

[Bitterfoam]

Panznerr wrote...

Simple fact is they gave us the ability to import Awakening which was a big mistake since awakening was so buggy and glitchy to begin with. I only have my Queen Cousland file from the first game now. May consider making a Amell file since i know the magi human is related to them. Think though i'll have the amell mage die at the end of origins if i do another playthrough. But yeah i just bought the guide also and it seems the quest involving nathaniel is really buggy. One problem was the fact there was no eplilogue save file for awakening or golems only origins and witch hunt.

There didn't need to be an Awakening epilogue save. As numerous BioWare people stated, if you've completed Awakening, you should use the autosave made right before the confrontation with the Mother. At this point, the only thing left for the game to calculate is the Mother's death. There's no other outcome. You fight the Mother, she dies. No after-the-fact save is needed for this. They can, and did, code right through it. Similarly, none is needed for Golems. Say hello to Mr. Harvester, and kill Mr. Harvester. Pretty simple.

[The Lesser Evil]

Bitterfoam wrote...

Is Fool's Gold a replacement quest - as in, by it showing up, like you said, it means Finding Nathaniel won't show up?

The Dragon Age wiki currently states the following: "If you accept Fool’s Gold, you cannot undertake the Finding Nathaniel quest in Act 3. It is only possible to play one of these two quests in a given playthrough."

This would indicate that it is not a replacement quest, per se, but that by doing it it means Finding Nathaniel will not trigger at all. Thus, to test this, don't do Fool's Gold, and see if Finding Nathaniel does trigger in Act 3. I'll be trying this, since in my first playthrough I did do Fool's Gold, and Finding Nathaniel never did trigger in Act 3.

The thing is, the quest never showed up on my first Hawke's run through the game, as far as I can recall. I was pretty thorough in grabbing every quest I ran into, and 'Fool's Gold' wasn't there. Once I get home I can try to make sure it's the case by seeing if I have an early act 2 save on that Hawke, but I trust my memory.

[White_Buffalo94]

Alright thank you lesser. Maybe I'll try doing a new origins playthrough and reimport into awakening, bringing nathaniel along to the nest

[The Lesser Evil]

Ah-ha!

I misremembered something about my Amell run. I just reloaded my Nest save, and I DIDN'T  have Nathaniel with me. Had him along for the entire game, but for some reason I'd decided to bring Sigrun instead. The epilogue slide mentioned that Nathaniel survived, but apparently that doesn't matter when importing into DA2?

That makes the one major difference between the import that did result in the Nathaniel quest showing (Cousland) instead of getting the 'Fool's Gold' quest (Amell, Mara...Dalish) this:

Nathaniel was only present at the Nest for my Cousland save. Despite surviving in Vigil's Keep in all three of the saves, it seems Nathaniel was only flagged as being alive in the save where he came along with me.

I also reloaded two old Dragon Age 2 saves:

Save 1: Imported my Cousland, where Nathaniel was with her when I defended Amaranthine and fought the Mother. Right after the Deep Roads I ran toward where the Fool's Gold quest starts and the NPC was absent.

Save 2: Imported my Dalish Elf, where Nathaniel was NOT with her when I defended Amaranthine and fought the Mother, but where Nathaniel DID survive according to the epilogue. Right after the Deep Roads I ran toward where the Fool's Gold quest starts and the NPC was present.

Fool's Gold does NOT eliminate the possibility of Nathaniel appearing, because when the quest is available to you it's only because Nathaniel WON'T appear.

Modifié par The Lesser Evil, 29 mars 2011 - 03:38 .

[White_Buffalo94]

Alright thank you. I guess I'll be going through Origins/Awakening/all other DLC's again to re-create my canon with Nathaniel at the Nest. Maybe this isn't even a bug (Though it seems it to me)

[HAM Hawke]

In my Origins saves I saved Vigils Keep and my companions. Nathaniel was not at the nest with me but he survived and I saved him In the deep roads. One thing troubles me though. Nathaniel said that I spared the Architect when in fact I killed him. I killed the Architect in all my play throughs. Why would he say that? Bug?

[HippeusOmega]

The Lesser Evil wrote...

Ah-ha!

I misremembered something about my Amell run. I just reloaded my Nest save, and I DIDN'T  have Nathaniel with me. Had him along for the entire game, but for some reason I'd decided to bring Sigrun instead. The epilogue slide mentioned that Nathaniel survived, but apparently that doesn't matter when importing into DA2?

That makes the one major difference between the import that did result in the Nathaniel quest showing (Cousland) instead of getting the 'Fool's Gold' quest (Amell, Mara...Dalish) this:

Nathaniel was only present at the Nest for my Cousland save. Despite surviving in Vigil's Keep in all three of the saves, it seems Nathaniel was only flagged as being alive in the save where he came along with me.

I also reloaded two old Dragon Age 2 saves:

Save 1: Imported my Cousland, where Nathaniel was with her when I defended Amaranthine and fought the Mother. Right after the Deep Roads I ran toward where the Fool's Gold quest starts and the NPC was absent.

Save 2: Imported my Dalish Elf, where Nathaniel was NOT with her when I defended Amaranthine and fought the Mother, but where Nathaniel DID survive according to the epilogue. Right after the Deep Roads I ran toward where the Fool's Gold quest starts and the NPC was present.

Fool's Gold does NOT eliminate the possibility of Nathaniel appearing, because when the quest is available to you it's only because Nathaniel WON'T appear.

Yeah i made it a point to bring Nathaniel to the finale of awakening with max approval and keeping the artitech alive this time. So i'll cross my fingers with my Primal Blood Mage i'm making with the new plot summary.