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[RedEyesOfWarning]

topster88 wrote...

As far as RPGs go, Mass Effect is very, very casual. Especially ME2.

Well I've only got a PS3 so I can't talk about ME1 but personally I thought if you think of ME2 as a straight up FPS rather than an RPG it's one of the best in the genre. Might not hold up as an RPG as much as Dragon Age but I didn't really get the feeling it was trying to.

[Jaron Oberyn]

It's sad that they weren't able to deliver their promise. (The doctors) Looks like they've been publicly humiliated after DA2 because I've seen many many posts referring to that quote. I'm just hoping it will open their eyes so that they can rectify their mistake for future games. Hopefully they will heed it, and ME3 won't be too late.



-Polite

[FifthSeven]

topster88 wrote...

BioWare once said that merging with EA would not affect the quality of their games. Well it has, unquestionably. This game had the potential to be great. It has great writing, great voice acting, a great engine, and a great mythos.

That's why it's such a horrible shame that this game wound up only being decent. The levels are painfully overused and copy-pasted. The combat is less methodical and more hack-and-slash. We only have one city to explore. The story is disjointed. Hawke has 'Shepard syndrome" where he often wouldn't say anything similar to the dialogue choice you select. The moral choices are the focal point of the game, but aren't the least bit ambiguous. You are limited to what you can equip allies with so the majority of the equipment you get is useless for the class you selected. There are numerous bugs that should never have made it past playtesting.

In EA's wish to make Dragon Age more approachable, much of what made Origins great was taken away and replaced with shallow game mechanics. They rushed this game to capitalize on Origin's success, success that is thanks to people who very much enjoyed the traditional RPG elements that were removed in favor of a more casual flavor. Origins was not perfect, but this is a prime example of a company completely misreading why a game was successful in the first place and simply marketing it to the lowest common denominator in hopes that lightning would strike again.

Let the casual players have Mass Effect. Please bring Dragon Age back to the traditional side.

*Starts slow clap*

[Kaos_Renegade]

topster88 wrote...

Kaos_Renegade wrote...

All i see here is WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!! Can you people be anymore whiny.

Thanks for contributing nothing

says the guy that made a tread called "EA is cancer" you think that because you played a game you like in 1998 all of the following games should be exactly the same.

[RedEyesOfWarning]

cosgamer wrote...

Because casual is crappy: lazy, generic, uninteresting, unchallenging.

It is DA 2.

PopCap and Zynga would disagree.

[ItsToofy]

RPGs require depth to be good, its just the nature of a role playing game....

I almost thought I was playing an action game a few times here, seriously, enemies appearing out of nowhere? are there really 20 people trying to jump my party? why are they dropping from the rooftops? are they ninjas? I was talking to a group of 3 people, why am I fighting 10 people? If I knew there were 50 enemies waiting in a hot air balloon over the city ready to fall on my head to try and kill me, wouldnt I just leave? it really isnt THAT worth it, is it? Why did this person send a freaking army to try and recover a kidnapped boy and take out his ONE FREAKING CAPTOR! who is NOT even a darkspawn? why is this cave configured the same exact way as the other two caves? was there a citywide law that required all caves to be dug according to city standards? Why couldn't I play a dwarf or an elf running away from Ferelden? are they racist? I thought origins was supposed to pave the way for how these stories were going to be told...do they hate us? Why am I still in this one city? The blight ended? why cant I go back to ferelden where there is some variety? Speaking of variety, why can't I at least change my companion's armor? did they simplify this because its too tedious for the casual console gamer? Dragon Age Origins was made for the PC initially and sold extremely well, why change the focus? why does my sword and shield build suck so bad? why did it take almost 15 minutes to kill one guy on that damn mountain cause my party wiped cause I killed one wave and didn't expect to have 2 more freaking waves behind him? why not just power up the first wave so we don't need 3 seperate waves making tactics useless cause you dont know where the next waves are coming from? oh wait, they always surround you? so you can never truly protect your mage or rogue cause they'll just surround them with spawning creatures as soon as you kill the first few? I miss the characters in Origins...I'm gonna go play that for a while....

Modifié par ItsToofy, 12 mars 2011 - 12:55 .

[ManiacalEvil]

cosgamer wrote...

ManiacalEvil wrote...

topster88 wrote...

RedEyesOfWarning wrote...

Personally I thought the "one click, one attack" thing was more traditional than the last one, reminded me of Diablo far more than say Devil May Cry. I didn't really remember any official word that Mass Effect was for casual players only either... I thought it was for FPS fans only.

As far as RPGs go, Mass Effect is very, very casual. Especially ME2.

And what exactly is wrong with that? WHy is casual taken as crappy nowadays?

Because casual is crappy: lazy, generic, uninteresting, unchallenging.

It is DA 2.

It is everything DA 2 isn't, you meant? Because for me DA2 just beat Baldur's Gate 2 out of the pedestal of greatest rpg ever.

[Gorescream]

topster88 wrote...

BioWare once said that merging with EA would not affect the quality of their games. Well it has, unquestionably. This game had the potential to be great. It has great writing, great voice acting, a great engine, and a great mythos.

That's why it's such a horrible shame that this game wound up only being decent. The levels are painfully overused and copy-pasted. The combat is less methodical and more hack-and-slash. We only have one city to explore. The story is disjointed. Hawke has 'Shepard syndrome" where he often wouldn't say anything similar to the dialogue choice you select. The moral choices are the focal point of the game, but aren't the least bit ambiguous. You are limited to what you can equip allies with so the majority of the equipment you get is useless for the class you selected. There are numerous bugs that should never have made it past playtesting.

In EA's wish to make Dragon Age more approachable, much of what made Origins great was taken away and replaced with shallow game mechanics. They rushed this game to capitalize on Origin's success, success that is thanks to people who very much enjoyed the traditional RPG elements that were removed in favor of a more casual flavor. Origins was not perfect, but this is a prime example of a company completely misreading why a game was successful in the first place and simply marketing it to the lowest common denominator in hopes that lightning would strike again.

Taken right from my heart. Preach it Brother.

[RedEyesOfWarning]

ItsToofy wrote...Why couldn't I play a dwarf or an elf running away from Ferelden? are they racist?

Yeah they kind of are if you look at the first game...

[ErebUs890]

topster88 wrote...

ManiacalEvil wrote...

And what exactly is wrong with that? WHy is casual taken as crappy nowadays?

it isn't necessarily. But what they did to Dragon Age is similar to if they made Gears of War 4 into an RTS.

Completely overexaggerated. I do agree with the OP though. BioWare could do a lot better as an independant developer.

[ItsToofy]

RedEyesOfWarning wrote...

ItsToofy wrote...Why couldn't I play a dwarf or an elf running away from Ferelden? are they racist?

Yeah they kind of are if you look at the first game...

I was refering to bioware saying "screw choice, you're a hue-man!"

[Chromie]

topster88 wrote...

RedEyesOfWarning wrote...

Personally I thought the "one click, one attack" thing was more traditional than the last one, reminded me of Diablo far more than say Devil May Cry. I didn't really remember any official word that Mass Effect was for casual players only either... I thought it was for FPS fans only.

As far as RPGs go, Mass Effect is very, very casual. Especially ME2.

Why the hate? I love Mass Effect 1 and 2 and Dragon Age. Why are people who buy Bioware games bashing each other?

Nothing wrong with casual games and Mass Effect is not a casual game you don't just pick up and play for a half hour like Plants vs Zombies. It doesn't have as much rpg elements as Dragon Age Origins but come on it's not a casual game.

[ItsToofy]

He might as well be saying Dynasty Warriors is a better game than Icewind Dale

[Kuroi Kenshi]

I do not have complains about the combat it's more fast paced but it's an improvement from Origins it still needs a tune up but the pace is right on, The real problem the lack of diversity in both armours weapons and enviroments thats is the real problem with the game and thats only happened doe to the lack of time Bioware probably doesn't have the luxury to do that but if EA comes with a unreasonable date just show them the middle finger

[Dirty Whore]

you know, I deluded myself into thinking that the Mass Effect universe would be my "casual sexy fun time" game and that Dragon Age would be my "sink my teeth into hardcore RPG'ng" time type of game...

I would have loved both equally, but in different ways. Not everything needs to be "streamlined" and "accessible" to the mentally lazy.

Modifié par Dirty Whore, 12 mars 2011 - 01:04 .

[Aermas]

ManiacalEvil wrote...

cosgamer wrote...

ManiacalEvil wrote...

topster88 wrote...

RedEyesOfWarning wrote...

Personally I thought the "one click, one attack" thing was more traditional than the last one, reminded me of Diablo far more than say Devil May Cry. I didn't really remember any official word that Mass Effect was for casual players only either... I thought it was for FPS fans only.

As far as RPGs go, Mass Effect is very, very casual. Especially ME2.

And what exactly is wrong with that? WHy is casual taken as crappy nowadays?

Because casual is crappy: lazy, generic, uninteresting, unchallenging.

It is DA 2.

It is everything DA 2 isn't, you meant? Because for me DA2 just beat Baldur's Gate 2 out of the pedestal of greatest rpg ever.

What the FU**? GTFO troll

[Nightnight]

cosgamer wrote...

And yes, EA is cancer to every company it gets a hold of.

Anyone remembers Westwood? Awesome studio got raped by EA.

[Gorescream]

Found this site of Brent http://blog.brentkno...08-summer-2009/ Oo

[Mashiki]

Nightnight wrote...
Anyone remembers Westwood? Awesome studio got raped by EA.

Origin? Mythic? Bullfrog(Remember Dungeon Keeper 1 & 2?), I can keep going seriously.   Those were the studios that shapped their respective genre's and were staked out in the sun while suffering from the EA plague, hemmoraging people until nothing but the shell was left.  And once the shell was left, EA ate that in some bizzare form of electronic canabilism.  Well maybe that last sentence is going a bit far...

[topster88]

Nightnight wrote...

cosgamer wrote...

And yes, EA is cancer to every company it gets a hold of.

Anyone remembers Westwood? Awesome studio got raped by EA.

Damn you....you reminded me of Command & Conquer.....GOD I hope that doesn't happen to BioWare. Oh christ no.

[Haexpane]

Dude, delete your OP. Calling a bunch of people who work somewhere "a cancer" is spam