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[topster88]

Haexpane wrote...

Dude, delete your OP. Calling a bunch of people who work somewhere "a cancer" is spam

No

Modifié par topster88, 12 mars 2011 - 01:14 .

[Arontala22]

While i do agree with you, i think you should change the title. It's not exactly in good tastes, IMO

[ItsToofy]

Haexpane wrote...

Dude, delete your OP. Calling a bunch of people who work somewhere "a cancer" is spam

Hmm, lets use C&C as an example, a widely beloved franchise that many people enjoyed and played countless times with an active online community. EA came into the picture, said franchise slowly was drained of life for the sake of profit until it became a husk of its former self and then was destroyed in the worst possible manner = as close to a cancer definition as you can get.

[topster88]

Arontala22 wrote...

While i do agree with you, i think you should change the title. It's not exactly in good tastes, IMO

It's not tasteful, but it's unfortunately accurate.

[Mashiki]

Haexpane wrote...

Dude, delete your OP. Calling a bunch of people who work somewhere "a cancer" is spam

Ever heard of EA-WEST_BC?  Probably not.  It's as close as you can get to an actual slave shop in the game development industry in the western world.  It really does destroy people.

I think calling them cancer is probably the nicest thing you could do, considering what they've done to the industry.

[Kabraxal]

While I don't tend to respect EA all that much, all the whining over this game is ridiculous. Legitimate criticisms are one thing, but the outright "it isn't an RPG anymore" is just showing that fans are losing any and all ability to be anything but trolls anymore. Sorry to break it to you, but DA2 is still very much an RPG. Whether it matches the brilliance of Origins are not.

The fact people think it is casual is a joke.

[ginger76]

 I have a conspiracy theory. Maybe DA2 is sacrificial lamb in order to achieve the greater good?  Because Bioware is so big and they CAN make a crapy game just to show EA: see, this happens when you push us too far - I just don't see how this could sell better than DAO. Or even close. **** I don't see how this could sell at all.

 Everything in this game feels like devs gathered, got high and had some fun time in making this inconsistent, confused and SUPER dumbed-down delirium of a game. C'mon, it's Bioware -they just don't make bad games. It's either that or everything has a  price, even them. 
 
 Anyway, I hope for ultra cRPG DA3. And hope dies last.

[topster88]

Kabraxal wrote...

While I don't tend to respect EA all that much, all the whining over this game is ridiculous. Legitimate criticisms are one thing, but the outright "it isn't an RPG anymore" is just showing that fans are losing any and all ability to be anything but trolls anymore. Sorry to break it to you, but DA2 is still very much an RPG. Whether it matches the brilliance of Origins are not.

The fact people think it is casual is a joke.

Please read the Op again, carefully. I make a clear distinction between a traditional RPG and a casual RPG. I never once said DA2 was not an RPG.

[Haexpane]

Mashiki wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Dude, delete your OP. Calling a bunch of people who work somewhere "a cancer" is spam

Ever heard of EA-WEST_BC?  Probably not.  It's as close as you can get to an actual slave shop in the game development industry in the western world.  It really does destroy people.

I think calling them cancer is probably the nicest thing you could do, considering what they've done to the industry.

I had a friend who used to work on NCAA for EA back before the 360 days, I know first hand about the working conditions.

It's still spam to call an entire company "CANCER" on their own boards.

[ItsToofy]

I think Obsidian should have made this game, at least the only thing we would be complaining about is the bugs.

(and dont say a rushed product either, Lucasarts are kings in that department.)

[Project Requiem]

topster88 wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Dude, delete your OP. Calling a bunch of people who work somewhere "a cancer" is spam

No

I would like you to change the title as well please. Not that I'm saying it's a horrible topic, I just would like for us to keep discussing this matter before the thread get's locked/deleted.

I agree with the Opening post though, and "BioWare once said that merging with EA would not affect the quality of
their games" caught my attention instantly. It really is sad that most people don't realize how many features they have removed from Origins that made the great game it was known to be.

Modifié par Project Requiem, 12 mars 2011 - 01:24 .

[topster88]

Haexpane wrote...

Mashiki wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Dude, delete your OP. Calling a bunch of people who work somewhere "a cancer" is spam

Ever heard of EA-WEST_BC?  Probably not.  It's as close as you can get to an actual slave shop in the game development industry in the western world.  It really does destroy people.

I think calling them cancer is probably the nicest thing you could do, considering what they've done to the industry.

I had a friend who used to work on NCAA for EA back before the 360 days, I know first hand about the working conditions.

It's still spam to call an entire company "CANCER" on their own boards.

"Spam" is posting advertisments. I'm not advertising anything.

Also I feel very sorry for your friend.

[Mashiki]

Haexpane wrote...
I had a friend who used to work on NCAA for EA back before the 360 days, I know first hand about the working conditions.

It's still spam to call an entire company "CANCER" on their own boards.

Do you even know what the definition of spam is?  Because if you did, you wouldn't keep using it without understanding it. 

And if you know what the working conditions are, then you know it's not undeserved.  A company, or organization has to work very hard to get a reputation like that.  So you tell me, if not single people are calling them that, and hold a strongly negative feeling towards them.  Where does that problem lie?  With the company.  It means that they have serious PR issue, and general relation issues with their customers as a whole.

[Kabraxal]

topster88 wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

While I don't tend to respect EA all that much, all the whining over this game is ridiculous. Legitimate criticisms are one thing, but the outright "it isn't an RPG anymore" is just showing that fans are losing any and all ability to be anything but trolls anymore. Sorry to break it to you, but DA2 is still very much an RPG. Whether it matches the brilliance of Origins are not.

The fact people think it is casual is a joke.

Please read the Op again, carefully. I make a clear distinction between a traditional RPG and a casual RPG. I never once said DA2 was not an RPG.

You are still wrong... the only real difference from Origins into this game is that you can't equip party members with armour and choose a different race.  O no... that is all that made DAO a traditional RPG... not choosing a class, not having customisation for the PC, not having customisation options for party abilities, not having the branching choices.... yep, those other two things are the only things that matter. 

Sorry, but DA2 is a traditional RPG for the most part. And this coming from someone that prefers Origins.

[Reva-C]

ginger76 wrote...

 I have a conspiracy theory. Maybe DA2 is sacrificial lamb in order to achieve the greater good?  Because Bioware is so big and they CAN make a crapy game just to show EA: see, this happens when you push us too far - I just don't see how this could sell better than DAO. Or even close. **** I don't see how this could sell at all.

 Everything in this game feels like devs gathered, got high and had some fun time in making this inconsistent, confused and SUPER dumbed-down delirium of a game. C'mon, it's Bioware -they just don't make bad games. It's either that or everything has a  price, even them. 
 
 Anyway, I hope for ultra cRPG DA3. And hope dies last.

LOL I like the way you think! Sneaky......if you were a character, you'd be a rogue!

[ItsToofy]

Kabraxal wrote...

You are still wrong... the only real difference from Origins into this game is that you can't equip party members with armour and choose a different race.  O no... that is all that made DAO a traditional RPG... not choosing a class, not having customisation for the PC, not having customisation options for party abilities, not having the branching choices.... . 

Sorry, but DA2 is a traditional RPG for the most part. And this coming from someone that prefers Origins.

Traditional RPG = action adventure now I guess.

[MDarwin]

EA Reality, Bites BioWare Now!

[Stronghand]

Mashiki wrote...

Nightnight wrote...
Anyone remembers Westwood? Awesome studio got raped by EA.

Origin? Mythic? Bullfrog(Remember Dungeon Keeper 1 & 2?), I can keep going seriously.   Those were the studios that shapped their respective genre's and were staked out in the sun while suffering from the EA plague, hemmoraging people until nothing but the shell was left.  And once the shell was left, EA ate that in some bizzare form of electronic canabilism.  Well maybe that last sentence is going a bit far...

To be fair, Origin sort of did it to themselves with complete lack of project manageing at the start of the merger. But yeah, those names are part of why I still dislike EA.
Hopefully Bioware will not go the same way, and as far as I can tell they had a more solid ground to stand on from the start, so that's at least something.

[skinnyhunt05]

I believe the OP is correct in saying it was rushed streamlined and shallow similar to ME2. I guess Ill be holding off buying DA 2 since it seems like the price will drop quickly if the comments are true. A side note to ME, perhaps the reason ME2 was produced quickly was so that they could focus on ME 3 and produce an epic title, since Bioware did say they were working on ME 3 long before ME 2 was released. If thats true then maybe Bioware is trying to find a way around being rushed. Yes EA rushes and squeezes titles for profits but what if Bioware produces one rushed game to provide them more time for the next, then they would seem smart perhaps. If they are doing this with the DA series then it may be ok. I too would like more RPG style games than streamlined games from Bioware, it's just.... what they do.

[Cobrawar]

I agree with the Op.The EA effect on bioware is bad.

[ginger76]

Kabraxal wrote...


You are still wrong... the only real difference from Origins into this game is that you can't equip party members with armour and choose a different race.  O no... that is all that made DAO a traditional RPG... not choosing a class, not having customisation for the PC, not having customisation options for party abilities, not having the branching choices.... yep, those other two things are the only things that matter. 

Sorry, but DA2 is a traditional RPG for the most part. And this coming from someone that prefers Origins.
 

Just curious: what other "RPG's" have you played? At least google a bit before trying to sound like you know what you're talking about.

Modifié par ginger76, 12 mars 2011 - 01:35 .

[Kabraxal]

ItsToofy wrote...

Kabraxal wrote...

You are still wrong... the only real difference from Origins into this game is that you can't equip party members with armour and choose a different race.  O no... that is all that made DAO a traditional RPG... not choosing a class, not having customisation for the PC, not having customisation options for party abilities, not having the branching choices.... . 

Sorry, but DA2 is a traditional RPG for the most part. And this coming from someone that prefers Origins.

Traditional RPG = action adventure now I guess.

The fact that you are even arguing that DA2 is more action adventure than an RPG makes it very easy to dismiss your opinion as irrelivant ranting.  Thank you.

[topster88]

Kabraxal wrote...

You are still wrong... the only real difference from Origins into this game is that you can't equip party members with armour and choose a different race.  O no... that is all that made DAO a traditional RPG... not choosing a class, not having customisation for the PC, not having customisation options for party abilities, not having the branching choices.... yep, those other two things are the only things that matter. 

Sorry, but DA2 is a traditional RPG for the most part. And this coming from someone that prefers Origins.

I really hope you haven't played much of DA2 because that's hardly the only difference between the games. Besides, the biggest reason this game is more of a casual RPG isn't the equipment (although that's a big part) but rather how combat encounters are handled. In Origins using tactics is manageable because you had a set number of enemies to fight in an encounter and if your tank gets enough threat you can effectively take down any group methodically.

However most of the encounters in DA2 seem to take the Dynasty Warrios route and throw several waves of enemies at you, and the new enemies obviously cannot be threatened before they show up so they attack the first opponent they see, more often than not being the squishy casters and archers. tactics really need to be thrown to the wind in favor of mashing attack and frantically having your healer run away so that their potion and heal spell can cool down.

All-in-all, this game was built as an action game. No ifs ands or buts about it.

Modifié par topster88, 12 mars 2011 - 01:35 .

[Anoneemouse]

This thread is titled perfectly and Bioware can wear it.

They act illegally.

Unadvertised DRM is included, and they have shutdown someones fair use of a product, legally purchased, because they dont like the message.

Try doing that on a mass scale and see what happens. These guys are shutting down threads and users everywhere in an effort to stamp out spot fires caused by their actions.

Boycott their products everywhere.

Modifié par Anoneemouse, 12 mars 2011 - 01:35 .