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[Ajwol Semreth]

DA2 has some pretty obvious flaws, but for me it beats DA:O hands down. No contest really. Of course, if I was a PC gamer than my opinion may differ, but I doubt it.

As for improvements; Combat needs toning down a little, the increased pace is good but they took it a little too far. Also, less gore. An abundance of gore does not equate to a dark and/or gritty fantasy. It just looks like they are trying too hard.

More unique areas would be nice as well, though I imagine the repeated use of assets was used to keep the game on one disc for the console version. I'm surprised the PC 'master race' are not beating that drum themselves yet... Oh well, give it time.

[Anathemic]

Haristo wrote...

Drogo45 wrote...

Most do not agree. Most see that DA2 is better and more advanced than DA. You are in the minority by a long shot.

Everything is said : Loud minority. The majour reception is positive.

Prove it.

[sodiacuss]

They fixed a bunch of stuff that wasn't broke. It feals like a button smasher compaired to da. The characters are not nearly as interesting, the areas are recycled, and the story leaves much to be desired. I pre-ordered this game because i enjoyed the first one so much. Lesson learned. I wont be doing that again.

[Kopawapatezi]

What I'm about to say has nothing to do with Bioware or Dragon Age, and thus I am indeed going off topic. I'm not going to call myself an intellectual, I'm fairly dense in my own right, but I'm not blind either.

Now.

You're all ridiculous.

I think I'm done with sticking around forums for a release. Is this what gamers are? This is a disgusting mass of mindless kiss-as--sycophants or these immature, quasi-intellectual, pretentious schmucks(It's longer than the first one, but that's the only way I could sum it up.)?

I'm no cynic; I'm pretty optimistic, but damn!

This is not a split I want to be a part of!

My lord. This is terrible.

But on the subject. I'd say that it's not a complete disaster, perhaps it has not done as well as they hoped, but it has not crashed and burned. The range I'm seeing is a combination of disappointment, contentedness, application, and disgust, which I believe is called "mixed" or something along those lines.

[Anathemic]

Need I say more?

[Marionetten]

actuasof wrote...

Marionetten wrote...

I see that the denial still runs strong on the BioWare boards. The game was a flop. I think it's time we all realize that and look at what's actually worth salvaging. Dragon Age II did have some good parts to it.

Personally, I found the family dynamic to be excellently executed barring a certain subplot. I'd love to see these kind of bonds in Dragon Age III. I came to really care for Carver despite him being somewhat of a twerp. This surprised me as I rarely care about my companions. Kudos to the writers for that experience.

What? Denial? From a guy who bought and probably finished the game while calling it trash and utterly bad? Oh the irony. BTW, if you forum trolls ( cause you cant be that serious) have such a sad life that you actually buy games and sit down for hours playing it even though you think it is "boring", "a disaster", "trash" and so on....I feel pity for you, seriously. No one is forcing anyone to play it. Last time I hated a game, I uninstalled. Im loving DA2 right now, alot more than DAO.

Way to read the first line and throw a hissy fit over it.

Subsequently proving my point.

[Kopawapatezi]

:^$ the edit and quote buttons are too close.

Modifié par Kopawapatezi, 12 mars 2011 - 08:08 .

[Maderas_]

I'M LOVING IT, MAN. I'M LOVING IT SO HARD I THAT I HAVE NO LOVE LEFT FOR ANYTHING ELSE. I WISH LEANDRA WAS MY REAL MOTHER. I DON'T LOVE YOU ANYMORE, REAL MOM. THERE'S NO LOVE LEFT HERE, DRAGON AGE 2 TOOK IT ALL AWAY FROM YOU.

I LOVE IT, NOTHING IS WRONG, I LOVE IT, LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA!

Modifié par Maderas_, 12 mars 2011 - 08:09 .

[Elevon]

Drogo45 wrote...

Most do not agree. Most see that DA2 is better and more advanced than DA. You are in the minority by a long shot.

Fact is a lot of people even  from different forums other then Bioware are saying its not as good as DOA,I have to agree,as for PC Gamer  saying game of the decade lol how much did they pay for that,we  have superior  RPG games coming out not too meantion  better RPG games out already.

This game is below Bioware's standard IMHO and I don't say that lightly.
I don't know why so many people are in denile maybe it makes them feel better,DA2 is not a bad game however its not a great game IMHO.

You say its more advanced?...dumb down  in the wrong direction is the truth,,just remember there are MANY HONEST people like myself that think the opposite.

A lot of Bioware fans like myself have serious concerns in the direction they are going.

[ACDimps]

Add me to the "hate it" camp. This game was a waste of coin.

[addiction21]

The fact is we all can say the fact is a lot...

[Paul E Dangerously]

It's about the same reaction people had about DAO comparing it to BG2. Some people seem to forget that. The farther it moves away from a point-and-click turn based RPG, the more people are going to dig their heels in and whine at the top of their lungs about it.

Does it have flaws? Sure! What doesn't?

IIMO it is an improvement over Origins, but a few more months to flesh it out would have solved a lot of the griping, I think.

[superserial]

Man-Giraffe-Dog is coming!!! I'm Super Serial about this guys.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Russalka wrote...

The forums show neither a majority nor an agreement over anything.

this. and the reviews are positive in general. or are you selectively referring to the metacritic user scores controversy?

[HTTP 404]

I dont agree OP. I thought this thread was "Alright, so now that most of us agree..." click on thread " that DA2 was awesome! let's discuss"

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Sopa de Gato wrote...

It's about the same reaction people had about DAO comparing it to BG2. Some people seem to forget that. The farther it moves away from a point-and-click turn based RPG, the more people are going to dig their heels in and whine at the top of their lungs about it.

Does it have flaws? Sure! What doesn't?

IIMO it is an improvement over Origins, but a few more months to flesh it out would have solved a lot of the griping, I think.

RPG purists will come down on a game made by Jesus Christ himself if he dares say it is in any way shape or form  related to BG 2.

most of them are PC gamers. they ( RPG purists ) tend to have to most insufferable whining, often chanting the name of Irenicus in large groups.

Modifié par JabbaDaHutt30, 12 mars 2011 - 08:14 .

[Bathead]

Anathemic wrote...

Haristo wrote...

Drogo45 wrote...

Most do not agree. Most see that DA2 is better and more advanced than DA. You are in the minority by a long shot.

Everything is said : Loud minority. The majour reception is positive.

Prove it.

You prove that he's wrong.

[black swordsman]

 You impose that you are in the majority without concrete fact, which frankly is a bit of a silly assumption. Rather than trying fool people you should bring a compelling argument and leave the rest of your condescend as it has no place here. 

Personally I enjoyed DA2, and I will tell you why. First of all I play a game for the story mostly and not the game play, and I certainly would not buy a Bioware game if I went for such, I have Blizzard for remarkable gameplay. So understandably I put more weight to how the story is built and how the game pace it along. 

Let us take it from the start, where we are introduced to Mr. Dwarf who tells the story, and that he does so is visible in the game itself. First example when you are playing the small tutorial intro, he just made that up. I personally found that a cool feature, how often do you get to see such a thing? Twice in the game, so that is something. Point is, I find this a very interesting way for the game to tell the story. Yes, it is less traditional, but do understand this is not DA:O 1.5, this is Dragon Age 2, a different game, but in the same universe.

Pacing along now to the actual story I find it refreshing that you for once have to work your way up in the world, it feels realistic to the setting that you do not just jump from nothing to being the boss. You make your name, and the story itself explores other areas of the setting other than just darkspawn, namely Qunari, other nations than Ferelden, Chantry/Mage tensions. That a setting has more to offer, and can make entire games with a different focus than the last is healthy. It fleshes it out, it keeps the darkspawn from going tame.

Dragon Age 2 certainly is not a masterpiece, but it is a good game in my opinion, just like Dragon Age Origins was a good game, that one was not a masterpiece either I think. They are two different games with two different focuses that they perform to a remarkable level. 

So if I am to go on to what I find bad about Dragon Age 2 it is not the story or the way it is told, it would be the gameplay. That has fault. Repetitive areas, mobs appearing out of nowhere and bugs all serve to lessen immersion to the story, but it is nothing I cannot live with. I understand the first of my concerns, but still find they should tone it down just a little, the second I understand too, yet still find a little annoying and the last is to be expected from a new game, if you do not you are just fooling yourself.

A thing I think people get very wrong is that DA2 should be better than DA:O or else it is just a blight to the world of man. It is a different game with a different story told in the same setting. All that DA2 has to do is to be a worthy successor, not better or worse. Worthy, that's all there is to it. In my opinion it is, it evolves the setting and fleshes it out, and presents several compelling plotlines. 

+ 1
However Rushing the game is biggest con of the game 


Combat is Pretty much the same i feel. Just too easy on Normal while in Hard it played pretty much like Origins.
The Game is actually much better then i expected. 


Ill Pretty much say whats wrong with this games

Whats Sucks is 
Respawning Enimies
Copies Pasted Dungeons
Games feels too rushed.
The story should have started 
1 hr in Lothering -> How darkspawn came and destroyed it -> And how Hawke and family escaped -> Fighting the darkspwn in between -> their journey to Kirkwall rather we get 
how they escape while fighting the darkspawn -> reach kirkwall :|

You can say an origin story for Hawke was required[/b].

Some changes which are made to the game are good but the Poor execustion of the them make it look terrible. 
The Gameplay is imbalenced normal is too easy while nightmare is seriously a nightmare.
Some classes are Too powerful some are less powerful
The Story feels unsatfying cause it pretty much incomplete :| and will continue from DLC *sigh*.
GFX are very average if you consider the eniviroment and NPC.

All the thing in the game is Rushed. Had they took time in making it, I think it would had been a better game as compared to Origins.+ Had they retained Few More Things from Origins like The UI, isometric and the inventory [/b]

The Game has a lot of Good Points but ill mention them later.

[made few Typo's do ignore it :|] 

Modifié par black swordsman, 12 mars 2011 - 08:19 .

[Ajwol Semreth]

Elevon wrote...
Fact is a lot of people even  from different forums other then Bioware are saying its not as good as DOA,I have to agree,as for PC Gamer  saying game of the decade lol how much did they pay for that,we  have superior  RPG games coming out not too meantion  better RPG games out already.

This game is below Bioware's standard IMHO and I don't say that lightly.
I don't know why so many people are in denile maybe it makes them feel better,DA2 is not a bad game however its not a great game IMHO.

You say its more advanced?...dumb down  in the wrong direction is the truth,,just remember there are MANY HONEST people like myself that think the opposite.

A lot of Bioware fans like myself have serious concerns in the direction they are going.

Blowing your own horn much?

Granted. There are a lot of people who don't like/hate/despise DA2 but there are a lot of people who like/love it as well. Referring to those people as being 'in denial' only makes yourself look arrogant. As does capitalising 'many honest' when referring to the people who do not like DA.

Your view of the game is not 'the truth' by any means. It is an opinion from someone who does not like the direction Bioware decided to take. You disliking it does not make that direction wrong, and me liking it does not make it right either. The whole thing is purely subjective.

You stick to your concerns, and I'll stick to my concerns of the sheer arrogance and anger that exists on this forum. How people can get so uppity about a video game is truly mind blowing.

[Elevon]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

Sopa de Gato wrote...

It's about the same reaction people had about DAO comparing it to BG2. Some people seem to forget that. The farther it moves away from a point-and-click turn based RPG, the more people are going to dig their heels in and whine at the top of their lungs about it.

Does it have flaws? Sure! What doesn't?

IIMO it is an improvement over Origins, but a few more months to flesh it out would have solved a lot of the griping, I think.

RPG purists will come down on a game made by Jesus Christ himself if he dares say it is in any way shape or form  related to BG 2.

most of them are PC gamers. they ( RPG purists ) tend to have to most insufferable whining, often chanting the name of Irenicus in large groups.

So what you saying we can't give honest negative criticism?....That's almost as bad as EA banning members for posting anything negative in their forums.

What happened to free speech,don't gamers have a right to give their opinion now?

[McBodman]

For all the people saying this game has gotten positive feedback from users. I'd like to direct you to this http://www.metacriti...c/dragon-age-ii

That's a 4 out of 10, from the votes of over
1100 users! that's not positive feedback people.

[Elevon]

Ajwol Semreth wrote...

Elevon wrote...
Fact is a lot of people even  from different forums other then Bioware are saying its not as good as DOA,I have to agree,as for PC Gamer  saying game of the decade lol how much did they pay for that,we  have superior  RPG games coming out not too meantion  better RPG games out already.

This game is below Bioware's standard IMHO and I don't say that lightly.
I don't know why so many people are in denile maybe it makes them feel better,DA2 is not a bad game however its not a great game IMHO.

You say its more advanced?...dumb down  in the wrong direction is the truth,,just remember there are MANY HONEST people like myself that think the opposite.

A lot of Bioware fans like myself have serious concerns in the direction they are going.

Blowing your own horn much?

Granted. There are a lot of people who don't like/hate/despise DA2 but there are a lot of people who like/love it as well. Referring to those people as being 'in denial' only makes yourself look arrogant. As does capitalising 'many honest' when referring to the people who do not like DA.

Your view of the game is not 'the truth' by any means. It is an opinion from someone who does not like the direction Bioware decided to take. You disliking it does not make that direction wrong, and me liking it does not make it right either. The whole thing is purely subjective.

You stick to your concerns, and I'll stick to my concerns of the sheer arrogance and anger that exists on this forum. How people can get so uppity about a video game is truly mind blowing.

I thought I said it was not a bad game,funny how other members make up words,I did say I thought DAO was better however.

As to the truth well you can find that on both sides,but its funny how those on one side  always think they are  right .

[PlacidDragon]

ObjectivelySubjective wrote...

...that DA2 was a rushed disaster, lets get on talking about DA3.

What do you guys expect? I, for one, am quite gald that this DA2 fiasco happened. If nothing else it will teach EA (and Bioware) that we're not just consumer drones that will eat up any trash they throw at us.

Wrong.

Yes, DA2 was crap.. plain and simple. I feel like using even stronger words, but wont for obvious reasons

Nor do i think that EA / Bioware has learned a thing from this.. DA2 probably sold tons on its name alone, and add all the rave reviews (that must have cost a pretty penny....), it probably gave them lots of shiny coins in the coffers. So why should they learn a thing ? Of course if they keep doing it and Bioware becomes known as a company that shovels.. well..  then thats another matter. But its nowhere near there yet, they can put out a number of cheap rushjobs before the Bioware name is ruined and they close up shop.

I am however extremely surprised that the Bioware leaders (Ray Muzyka is in addition to being CEO of Bioware also senior vice president in EA) would allow their company name to be dragged through the mud like this.. Bioware has been a brand of the highest quality for over 10 years. Well, no longer in my case.. i've bought every single game from them on name alone after Baldurs Gate. That stopped with DA2.