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[testing1234]

suppose i can trow my water drop into this ocean of opinions also...

what it all came down to for me was the wave of enemies and combat system in DA2 did not let me plan a battle it was just guessing and hoping for the best, the very thing a pause system is meant to avoid.

not saying that i think DA2 is a very bad game but its for me personally very far from a good.

[Jademoon121]

DA2's setting was certainly more developed and organic than DAO. It didn't look and feel like a typical fantasy setting, and I could actually see how the mage v templar thing was a hot issue, instead of being a blip on the radar as in DAO, and I did make some mental parallels between the relationship between Qunari and Kirkwall with other events in our history. And of course the elves were actually elves. The music was also interesting and didn't have the preverbal "elf song" phenomenon you hear all the time. It felt genuinely part of the city.
Say what you want about the combat, characters, story, interface etc. as they're all valid points to agree or disagree. But DAO's Denerim can't shake a stick at Kirkwall. If Bioware is going to carry anything from DA2 to DA3, it should be the art style and music score first and foremost.

[Persephone]

Hobosapien wrote...

Loved both games. Looking forward to DA3. I'll be playing DA2 atleast 3 more times.

This. I definitely love them both. Importing different saves is a blast. And I cannot wait for DA3, more DLC or an expansion. DA2 erased pretty much all my doubts. Thank you, Bioware!!!!!:wub:

[Killyox the Defender]

Duncan Anderson wrote...

Hate to break it to you sweethart, but there has been no 'fiasco' and ther certainly is no consensus that it is a disaster. This fourm is prety evenly split for/aginst DA2 and forums represent the hardest part of the fanbase to please, not to mention only being a tiny sliver of the total consumers.

Metacritic User Score 4 / 10,
1300 votes

DA2 sucks

[LordLucians]

Laidlaw, a designer for the New Dragon Age 2 had this to say in their defense on the gamer outcry over their product.
"And then I think ... essentially, [fans are saying]: 'You've made consoles look better? But I'm a PC gamer. ... You're talking about things that seem to attack me because ... in my mind consoles are somehow worse than PC games.'

Well I've played Dragon Age II on my 360s and its still garbage, no matter what system its on, you can read his full interview here

http://www.destructo...t--189689.phtml

he's pretty much saying that most of the complaints are from PC gamers, but they need to see that its all of us that are upset and sadden with the sub par work they did.

Modifié par LordLucians, 13 mars 2011 - 10:51 .

[2Hard2C]

Another year, and I bet DA2 would be much better.

Also, those saying that the Metacritic user review score are falling to the logical fallicy Arguementum ad Populium. Basically, because so many people agree with something, that it MUST be right and MUST be true.

[Shirosaki17]

Lord Lucians that article has 12-20-2010 on it.

[Blacklash93]

Persephone wrote...

I definitely do NOT agree. To me DA2 is a definite improvement. Story wise, DAO comes across like a juvenile fantasy novel now, compared to DA2 gripping, intense drama and conflict. And underdeveloped companions like Leliana do not exist in DA2 either. I LOVE DA2 and am sick of people whinging because OMG DAO was so much better. It was not. I love DAO too. But the sluggish fighting system. the seriously bugged dialogue, the broken quests and epilogue slides....those aren't quality.

Leliana was one of Origins' best and most developed characters IMO. Her inner struggle was far and away more dramatic and certainly much interesting than anything in DA2. If she was underdeveloped, then the rest of Origins' companions must have been really terrible...

And while I do think the combat in DA2 is better, I won't deny that the game is horribly designed with a shallow story, huge amounts of copy-pasted areas, and far too punctual character interaction.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 13 mars 2011 - 11:28 .

[Spuritan]

...I had so much fun with DA2 it was ridiculous, so I went onto the forums after completion, and was, frankly, shocked by all the abuse. I can't really remember encountering too many bugs - actually, imo, DA:O was way more buggy than DA2. But maybe I wasn't looking in the right places. I might notice them more on my fourth or fifth playthrough, like with DA:O. ^__^

Must admit I was annoyed by the recycling of areas, and the random blocked doors and such, but really, it's a minor gripe. Also feel that male!Hawke's voice actor did a job of... rather varying quality. Some lines, he delivered really well, but a lot of them... not so much. Or perhaps it was so noticable cause imo, the other voice actors did such an incredible job.

I like the home base idea for your companions - it makes more sense that they have a favourite hang-out and actual lives (at least my in-game characters can have lives, even if I don't have one!) outside your party, and that they're not just hanging around camp whenever you don't need them.

However, it did make it unecessarily complicated to level and equip (and check stats of) characters not in your party. DA:O camp was wonderful for that.

I really enjoyed the new store system - after playing through DA:O a few times, I really wanted to stab some of the merchants, I was so sick of hearing those replies. And it's not like you CAN'T talk to the merchants in DA2, it just doesn't lead to shopping.

But most of all, I was impressed by the story and the characters, which is the most important part of a game for me. True, a certain character from a previous game being completely OOC bugged me, but I couldn't really bring myself to mind all that much cause they were all so... human and real, I suppose. I loved how they all had their own agendas and goals, unlike the DA:O gang, who mostly seemed content to just follow you around for sometimes no apparent logical reason. In both DA:O and Awakening, I generally loved half of my companions, and couldn't be bothered about the rest. In DA2, I must admit I even ended up loving the character I had thought from the get-go I was going to hate, and some of the situations and conversations that came up I actually found heartbreaking and painful, to a degree DA:O never came near.

But liking them so much meant I so desperately wanted to talk to them more! I swear, almost after every completed quest, I'd swing by a home base or two, hoping someone would talk to me.

It was also wonderful to play something that wasn't your average generic fantasy story. Even in fantasy literature, it's hard to escape that old "defeat ultimate evil" trope, so seeing DA move away from it, first in Awakening, and now in DA2, makes me happy. There were so many more shades of grey in DA2; I don't think anyone was ever 100% "good" or "evil". Bat**** insane, yes, there was a lot of that, but that's a different beast. Also liked that quite a few choices were really hard to make, due to the same "no 'right' or 'wrong'" thing. Or maybe that's just me having trouble hurting people, even pixel!people in a game.

I loved that they tweaked the various racial features, so that they don't all just look like humans, slightly taller and more bulky humans, humans with funny-shaped ears, and short humans with lots of facial hair. Although I did feel they went a wee bit to far when tweaking the elves. Unless one of the surprise plot points in the upcoming DLC or DA3 is that the elves are actually an alien race that arrived from outer space ages ago...

Wish my actions in DA:O and Awakening had a bigger impact than just random comments and the odd side-quest (even if the rumour about Ferelden's pidgeon population was hilarious), but I get this feeling that DA2 is kind of like the second novel in a fantasy trilogy; it's sort of bridge, or the stewing pot where the plot thickens before it all comes together in DA3. Especially the interesting hint at the end of the game to something that had been bugging me with the ending of DA:O and Awakening I felt was masterly done.

It seems what most of the haters hate is the game mechanics, so to speak, but I'm probably not enough of an avid gamer to comment on that. I am surprised at the story and character bashing, though. imo, characterization and storyline (and not to mention worldbuilding, but that's also true with DA:O. I just felt that the Blight overshadowed everything else there, so you didn't really get to appreciate the amount of time and love that had gone into creating the different cultures and societies etc) was some of the best I've seen, regardless of media, in quite a while.

I'm not sure which game I like best, they're both awesome. Besides, it would be kind of unfair to compare before I've played DA2 for another 150 hours or so, which should about bring me even with the time I've spent in total on DA:O...

[Luvinn]

Spuritan wrote...

...I had so much fun with DA2 it was ridiculous, so I went onto the forums after completion, and was, frankly, shocked by all the abuse.

There seems like a lot, but you got to consider,

everyone feels the need to make their own personal, "I dislike DA2 for xxxx reason" thread

even if there is 1000 of those, that is still a mere fraction of the player base. I got to think that the vast majority are in the "satisfied" and up crowd

[_genetix_]

Luvinn wrote...

There seems like a lot, but you got to consider,

everyone feels the need to make their own personal, "I dislike DA2 for xxxx reason" thread

even if there is 1000 of those, that is still a mere fraction of the player base. I got to think that the vast majority are in the "satisfied" and up crowd

Really don't think we are speaking of 'majority' on todays world, but more of people who still play games since 90s. Bioware has a lot of these fans and I'd bet they are all pissed off for DA2 not to even mention what is said for DA3.

Ideally DA2 destroyed all good Bioware build so hard to build at origins a name back in 'Gods of RPGs' which as said before could be corrected pretty easily, but as of lately seen posts by developer seems they don't even try. Instead they will try something like WOW or RIFT and that is one direction they simply cannot take as even while the 'oldschool peons' are not majority they make the opinions, reviews and if that is bad Bioware will say goodbye to their (well deserved I might add) name on RPG gaming market.

Outcome of such effort will be 'Yeah, it's a new D&D, but it still sucks between WOW and RIFT' and this place is something they REALLY don't wanna be as this is same as running web server for free MMORPG.

Even reference to the idea reading between the lines what 'lead developer' is trying to tell us 'there's 4 characters now closer and you would play 1 of them with 3 online companions' <- this is truly the end of Bioware, if it's going to happen idea is simply that bad as making this thing 'online' experience is not going to happen unless you control entire party of characters.

[DaBigDragon]

A rushed disaster? Yeah, ok.

I'm having a ton of fun with this game. More so than the first game. No more micro-managing the inventory, my character actually talks, the combat is so much more brutal and bloody, and the story has me looking forward to the next Main Plot quest.

My only problems are what major reviewers have said (cookie-cutter dungeons, musical score not as epic as first game).

Could the game be improved in some areas? Yes. But is it a "rushed disaster"? Most definitely not.

[MegaBadExample]

Oh, I agree.

[SilentK]

I haven't finished the entire game yet, but I would guess that I've got less than half left. I've worked that keeping spoilerfree =) I have had so much fun these few days when I've been playing DA2. I've come to care for my little F!Hawke and her friends. For me this is even better than DA:O, didn't believe it was possible before I started playing the game. I guess that every one doesn't like the same things so I'm lucky that this was just right for me. Love how integrated the companions feel in the story and Aveline's q was just wonderful, can't say more because it's a no spoiler section here.

I guess that we don't like the same things, but for me it's great =) Look forward to finishing the game so I can get out on the forum and discuss the story and companions. Until I've finished the game I'm staying here in the no-spoiler-zone.

Cheers everyone =)

[Pyrate_d]

I agree, I REALLY hope that they go back to a more origins-like game. Not everything in DA2 was worse, but in general it was of lower quality, and the obviously rushed areas definitely didn't help.

[connorthedragonslayer]

DaBigDragon wrote...

A rushed disaster? Yeah, ok.

I'm having a ton of fun with this game. More so than the first game. No more micro-managing the inventory, my character actually talks, the combat is so much more brutal and bloody, and the story has me looking forward to the next Main Plot quest.

My only problems are what major reviewers have said (cookie-cutter dungeons, musical score not as epic as first game).

Could the game be improved in some areas? Yes. But is it a "rushed disaster"? Most definitely not.

I agree with this. The characters were more engaging in Origins but otherwise I enjoy playing DA2 much more than I enjoyed playing Origins. The story was basically what kept me interested in Origins. I definitely prefer the voiced hero, the combat, the way you level up etc. I think the only area where Origins has the upper hand is in terms of the characters (but even then Wynne/Sten/Zevran were all pretty boring). Overall I prefer the mage/templar storyline to the blight. 

At the end of the day, its all just opinion. None of us are 'right'.

I think DA2 is the gaming world's equivalent to what X-Men 3 was to comic book fans. The hardcore people hate it and will not relent from going on about how awful it is. They are the ones with the energy to post their opinions all over the internet. The casual fans enjoyed it. The internet is never really an accurate gage of public opinion imo.

Modifié par connorthedragonslayer, 15 mars 2011 - 01:45 .

[jack_f]

Only sales numbers leave an impression on EA. Provided this sells anywhere around what DAO sold (with a smaller budget, and shorter dev time) you can expect a DA3 in that same vein next year.

[lastpawn]

A disaster? No, but rushed? Definitely. There are only so many explanations you can give for

an unfocused story (not caring about your character till 1/3 of the way through the game),
unrefined combat (crazy balance spikes, overused wave mechanic), or
copy-paste areas.

These aren't supposed to happen in BW games, and for the most part they don't. As I said elsewhere, not a bad game at all, just disappointing. Implying it should have been more.

[Ricericebaby]

Killyox the Defender wrote...

Duncan Anderson wrote...

Hate to break it to you sweethart, but there has been no 'fiasco' and ther certainly is no consensus that it is a disaster. This fourm is prety evenly split for/aginst DA2 and forums represent the hardest part of the fanbase to please, not to mention only being a tiny sliver of the total consumers.

Metacritic User Score 4 / 10,
1300 votes

DA2 sucks

User Score aka: whiny fanboys who will cry about just about anything, and most of the ratings/reviews ive looked at go something like this

Grapihcs: 0/10
gameplay 0/10
Controls 0/10
muisic  0/10

comments: Blank

   Not even rating it just, downing the game and sinking the rating because bioware didnt make the game exactly how they wanted them make do it. and this isnt just metacritic im talking about either. If mindless losers would stop caring about "the scores"  the gaming world would be a much better place

Modifié par Ricericebaby, 17 mars 2011 - 04:33 .

[Persephone]

Killyox the Defender wrote...

Duncan Anderson wrote...

Hate to break it to you sweethart, but there has been no 'fiasco' and ther certainly is no consensus that it is a disaster. This fourm is prety evenly split for/aginst DA2 and forums represent the hardest part of the fanbase to please, not to mention only being a tiny sliver of the total consumers.

Metacritic User Score 4 / 10,
1300 votes

DA2 sucks

You trust something as obviously skewed as that? Really? 

[Persephone]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I definitely do NOT agree. To me DA2 is a definite improvement. Story wise, DAO comes across like a juvenile fantasy novel now, compared to DA2 gripping, intense drama and conflict. And underdeveloped companions like Leliana do not exist in DA2 either. I LOVE DA2 and am sick of people whinging because OMG DAO was so much better. It was not. I love DAO too. But the sluggish fighting system. the seriously bugged dialogue, the broken quests and epilogue slides....those aren't quality.

Leliana was one of Origins' best and most developed characters IMO. Her inner struggle was far and away more dramatic and certainly much interesting than anything in DA2. If she was underdeveloped, then the rest of Origins' companions must have been really terrible...

And while I do think the combat in DA2 is better, I won't deny that the game is horribly designed with a shallow story, huge amounts of copy-pasted areas, and far too punctual character interaction.

Was she? You realize how bugged her dialogue is without Mods? Her ridiculous jealousy even if you're not in a romance? How uninvolved she is, once her quest is done and all her stories are told? Alistair and Morrigan (And even they are terribly bugged without mod fixes) are way superior.

I disagree about the "shallow" story. Completely. It's a conflict that has been brewing for a long time finally exploding. Don't care too much about the areas, that can be fixed.

[Veritrix]

I personally loved DA2, as well as DAO. I guess it helps I was also a big fan of ME and ME2.

[Big_Choppa]

Rushed? Perhaps. Disaster? I don't think so. I'm just not sure of the gigantic shift in game mechanics and elements for this series. It's still a fun game to play.