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[Raycer X]

ObjectivelySubjective wrote...

...that DA2 was a rushed disaster, lets get on talking about DA3.

What do you guys expect? I, for one, am quite gald that this DA2 fiasco happened. If nothing else it will teach EA (and Bioware) that we're not just consumer drones that will eat up any trash they throw at us.
 
*snip-snip*

Are you sure (as in, are you sure the higher ups at EA are even capable of learning)? I mean, after the Dante's Inferno marketing crap, they followed up with the Dead Space 2 marketing garbage. What's to say that EA will learn and prevent something like this from ever happening again?

[17thknight]

Anathemic wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Duncan Anderson wrote...

Hate to break it to you sweethart, but there has been no 'fiasco' and ther certainly is no consensus that it is a disaster. This fourm is prety evenly split for/aginst DA2 and forums represent the hardest part of the fanbase to please, not to mention only being a tiny sliver of the total consumers.

Its not just these forums, all the forums are trashing this game, and the sales arent all that good, they will be lucky to sell as many copies as Origins, and when you figure that they had a good fanbase already, they screwed it up pretty bad.

Major scrweup, they downright lied to us

arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/03/dragon-age-ii-features-hated-securom-despite-previous-ea-claims.ars

That is one of the most appalling aspects of the whole thing.

I cannot even believe that piece of **** borderline-rootkit garbage is stealth-installed on your computer, without anything anywhere even hinting that it might happen.

EA faced a class-action lawsuit for doing exactly this kind of immoral behavior.

[Benevolent Walnut]

17thknight wrote...

tdawg7669 wrote...



pretty much. People are afraid of the evolution of the genre. They were so used to elements of RPGS that existed only because of limited technology for the most part, that they cannot bear the advancement of the genre.

This isn't "evolution" it's "devolution".

Sitting there, shoving your head in the sand, and pretending there are not systemic problems with this game is abhorrent. Games like Baldur's Gate did not exist because of "technology limitations".   90 man-years of development went into that game, with an engine that was built from the ground up by the team who made it (who had never made a game before) and that same engine spent the next DECADE redefning the RPG genre.

You have no concept of history, especially video game history, and it really really REALLY shows. What has happened with DA2 is 50 steps back for every step forward.

You make some valid points.  But people will probably take you more seriously if you express yourself in a calm and diplomatic way.  Then everyone can enjoy themselves.

[Thestriker1551]

Though I like DA2, I would prefer another origins title. I will probably replay DA2 but not as much as I did origins, for some reason Origins felt like the best game in the world to me when I got it, DA2 is good but it is not the same.

[17thknight]

Benevolent Walnut wrote...

You make some valid points.  But people will probably take you more seriously if you express yourself in a calm and diplomatic way.  Then everyone can enjoy themselves.

I'm bipolar and I'm in a manic mood.

Plus, I'm a very passionate person.

Modifié par 17thknight, 12 mars 2011 - 04:14 .

[uberdowzen]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Its not just these forums, all the forums are trashing this game, and the sales arent all that good, they will be lucky to sell as many copies as Origins, and when you figure that they had a good fanbase already, they screwed it up pretty bad.

Did you personally check every single forum? I'm sure I could find one where they like it.

How do you know how well/badly the game is selling? I can't find any released sales figures and I know that it's currently in the top 5 best sellers on Amazon and it's currently number 1 at Mighty Ape.

Are you a financial analyst? Have you done any surverys or looked at any marketing data? How do you know that they'll be lucky to sell as many copies?

[Giantdeathrobot]

Ah yes, now we are calling others stupid. Such enlightening discussions we have on these forums, because of course the people who played the previous generation of games (and I am one of those people btw) were al geniuses with Doctor's Degrees in Everything while those born after are completely hopeless retards who cannot even fathom to reach the brilliance of their illustrious ancestors.

Please get off your high horses, people, it helps nobody.

[Anathemic]

17thknight wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Duncan Anderson wrote...

Hate to break it to you sweethart, but there has been no 'fiasco' and ther certainly is no consensus that it is a disaster. This fourm is prety evenly split for/aginst DA2 and forums represent the hardest part of the fanbase to please, not to mention only being a tiny sliver of the total consumers.

Its not just these forums, all the forums are trashing this game, and the sales arent all that good, they will be lucky to sell as many copies as Origins, and when you figure that they had a good fanbase already, they screwed it up pretty bad.

Major scrweup, they downright lied to us

arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/03/dragon-age-ii-features-hated-securom-despite-previous-ea-claims.ars

That is one of the most appalling aspects of the whole thing.

I cannot even believe that piece of **** borderline-rootkit garbage is stealth-installed on your computer, without anything anywhere even hinting that it might happen.

EA faced a class-action lawsuit for doing exactly this kind of immoral behavior.

So glad I didn't buy, I'm prefectly fine with playing DA:O as the last game from BioWare I will buy.

But seriously, the ban, and now this? In a period of less than 2 days? What's next?

[tdawg7669]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

tdawg7669 wrote...

Arvn wrote...

The unstated assumption is Bioware made the changes to push more units, to be more popular, to make more money. Yet somehow the result of that is most players now hate it? Or is it that the classic PC gamer pool is small but fanatic, and the real anger is that one of the few properties that appeared to cater to them has now started to abandon them? In other words, good or bad makes no difference at all - he actual game is irrelevant -a niche minority was "betrayed" and that is unforgivable. And kinda hilarious.

pretty much. People are afraid of the evolution of the genre. They were so used to elements of RPGS that existed only because of limited technology for the most part, that they cannot bear the advancement of the genre.

It kind of reminds me of Plato's allegory of the cave. The man escapes the cave and sees the greatness of the outside world, and when he tries to tell the others still trapped in the cave, he is met with harsh resistance.

This game has not evolved at all...critics and fans agree, it has lower scores on both, and lackluster sales, doesnt really sound like evolution to me.

The average score by crtitics before the game came out was higher than Origins. As for sales and fan review its way too early to compare. DA2 has been out for less than a week.

This backlash reminds me of ME2 and that is now considered one of the better games of this generation and the consensus is that it was an improvemnt over the first.

[Xena_Shepard]

Tactical Sneeze wrote...

Xena_Shepard wrote...

Tactical Sneeze wrote...

what you said

Ok...and? What's that got to do with me? As I said, I don't even own Fable 3, never even seen it being played.

Just want to point out that its also happening to the Fable series. Everyone ADORED Fable 1 and liked Fable 2 but when Fable 3 came out all everyone did was QQ and whine.

I think you have it backwards...Fable 1 was awesome, Fable 2 was universally hated, and Fable 3 has been given fairly good praise.

[Thestriker1551]

You know what I found funny the community is split like the mages and templars in DA 2. Mabye this was on purpose and DA3 will have a resolution to this.

[Anathemic]

Thestriker1551 wrote...

You know what I found funny the community is split like the mages and templars in DA 2. Mabye this was on purpose and DA3 will have a resolution to this.

You like stealth DRM isntalling itself on your PC do you?

[17thknight]

Anathemic wrote...

So glad I didn't buy, I'm prefectly fine with playing DA:O as the last game from BioWare I will buy.

But seriously, the ban, and now this? In a period of less than 2 days? What's next?

Despite my many trepidations about the game, I was going to still get it, simply based on Bioware's history. Thankfully, my friend Drew had preordered it and I figured "Screw it, I'll play it on his PC while he's at work and see what I think". That turned me off to the final product (I hadn't liked the demo, either, but heard AoE targeting was fixed so was willing to give finale product a try).


BUT, if I was only  now finding out that I had what amounts to malware stealth-installed behind windows, I'd have lost my mind with fury. After a complete wipe of my harddrive I'd have been getting more than a refund from these people.

[Xena_Shepard]

tdawg7669 wrote...

The average score by crtitics before the game came out was higher than Origins. As for sales and fan review its way too early to compare. DA2 has been out for less than a week.

This backlash reminds me of ME2 and that is now considered one of the better games of this generation and the consensus is that it was an improvemnt over the first.

See, now you along with a bunch of other people bring out that tired argument.

Yes Dragon Age 2 was mechanically improved.

But, and listen closely here, do you know the difference between Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 2..? Mass Effect 2 had a @#$%ing story!!!

[viverravid]

17thknight wrote...

I cannot even believe that piece of **** borderline-rootkit garbage is stealth-installed on your computer, without anything anywhere even hinting that it might happen.

It isn't. 

The Securom program is the realease date checker and unlocker, which is made by the same company but needs no rootkits. If it has one, that would be truly evil, but all it needs to do is check a webserver for an unlock key and do some decryption. 

It is supposed to uninstall afterwards but does so imperfectly, leaving a few registry keys. 

The 'lied about Securom' thing is a bit of a beat up, really. They were perfectly honest in the DRM thread about the presence of the unlocking program and what it does. They just didn't mention that the Securom team made it.

[tdawg7669]

uberdowzen wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Its not just these forums, all the forums are trashing this game, and the sales arent all that good, they will be lucky to sell as many copies as Origins, and when you figure that they had a good fanbase already, they screwed it up pretty bad.

Did you personally check every single forum? I'm sure I could find one where they like it.

How do you know how well/badly the game is selling? I can't find any released sales figures and I know that it's currently in the top 5 best sellers on Amazon and it's currently number 1 at Mighty Ape.

Are you a financial analyst? Have you done any surverys or looked at any marketing data? How do you know that they'll be lucky to sell as many copies?

Dont bother, let him cling to his belief that he is not in the vocal minority.

[Benevolent Walnut]

17thknight wrote...

Benevolent Walnut wrote...

You make some valid points.  But people will probably take you more seriously if you express yourself in a calm and diplomatic way.  Then everyone can enjoy themselves.

I'm bipolar and I'm in a manic mood.

Plus, I'm a very passionate person.

It's cool man, we all have those days.  

I think that Bioware will probably read a lot of the constructive feedback and make their games according to the fans.  Hopefully DA3 will have the good elements of DAO and DA2, with the bad aspects of both cut out.  And an isometric camera!!!!!

[thatbwoyblu]

17thknight wrote...

Benevolent Walnut wrote...

You make some valid points.  But people will probably take you more seriously if you express yourself in a calm and diplomatic way.  Then everyone can enjoy themselves.

I'm bipolar and I'm in a manic mood.

Plus, I'm a very old person.

Fixedddddddddddd

[tdawg7669]

BTW the securom thing is BS. Im glad I didnt have a gaming pc when I pre ordered and bought it for the 360 instead.

[HawXV2]

DA2 > DA:O as far as quality and fun, for me. DA2 feels more personal. I don't like the new design a lot, for some reason. Skill trees don't look as fun. Combat is heaps better. Story...I really don't know. Once again, this game is more about you. Origins is about saving Thedas and the rest of the world. Kirkwall looks better than every place in Origins except for Orzammar. But gah, I hate restriction!
I think DA2 is only slightly better. And a lot harder on nightmare!

[LordLucians]

17thknight wrote...

tdawg7669 wrote...



pretty much. People are afraid of the evolution of the genre. They were so used to elements of RPGS that existed only because of limited technology for the most part, that they cannot bear the advancement of the genre.

This isn't "evolution" it's "devolution".

Sitting there, shoving your head in the sand, and pretending there are not systemic problems with this game is abhorrent. Games like Baldur's Gate did not exist because of "technology limitations".   90 man-years of development went into that game, with an engine that was built from the ground up by the team who made it (who had never made a game before) and that same engine spent the next DECADE redefning the RPG genre.

You have no concept of history, especially video game history, and it really really REALLY shows. What has happened with DA2 is 50 steps back for every step forward.

This is why the forums need a "Fukin Hell Yeah Like" button lol

[wildcard4542000]

ThomasAndrew wrote...

A smart person would realise that the only real problem with this game is reused assets.

Ok so the enemies spawning outta thin air, completely negating any kind of Tactical thought and strategic placement of your party isn't a problem for you then?

Modifié par wildcard4542000, 12 mars 2011 - 04:22 .

[tbsking]

HawXV2 wrote...

DA2 > DA:O as far as quality and fun, for me. DA2 feels more personal. I don't like the new design a lot, for some reason. Skill trees don't look as fun. Combat is heaps better. Story...I really don't know. Once again, this game is more about you. Origins is about saving Thedas and the rest of the world. Kirkwall looks better than every place in Origins except for Orzammar. But gah, I hate restriction!
I think DA2 is only slightly better. And a lot harder on nightmare!

DA2 felt aweful impersonal to me. Voiced dialogue did it to an extent, but mostly because there was nothing to attatch me to the game. My sibling dies at the beginning, a full five minutes in, and I'm supposed to care? A little while later some other stuff happens to my family, and I'm supposed to care? It fizzled in that regard.

[HawXV2]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

tdawg7669 wrote...

Arvn wrote...

The unstated assumption is Bioware made the changes to push more units, to be more popular, to make more money. Yet somehow the result of that is most players now hate it? Or is it that the classic PC gamer pool is small but fanatic, and the real anger is that one of the few properties that appeared to cater to them has now started to abandon them? In other words, good or bad makes no difference at all - he actual game is irrelevant -a niche minority was "betrayed" and that is unforgivable. And kinda hilarious.

pretty much. People are afraid of the evolution of the genre. They were so used to elements of RPGS that existed only because of limited technology for the most part, that they cannot bear the advancement of the genre.

It kind of reminds me of Plato's allegory of the cave. The man escapes the cave and sees the greatness of the outside world, and when he tries to tell the others still trapped in the cave, he is met with harsh resistance.

This game has not evolved at all...critics and fans agree, it has lower scores on both, and lackluster sales, doesnt really sound like evolution to me.

Is that why it's projected to sell MORE than Origins? Really people, do research before you hate so you don't sound like a reasonless hater. And where do all fans agree on this? 

[specter7237]

I'm in the "not-in-agreement" camp. DA2 is far better than Origins. I mean, disaster, really? Do you even realize the words you're using. A disaster would be something like the CD exploding as soon as the case was opened. When an earthquake strikes a city, that is a disaster. When darkspawn unleash an Old God, that's a disaster. A successful release of a sequel which is leaps and bounds ahead of Origins in almost every respect is a far cry from disaster.