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[Keele]

Fiery Specter wrote...

Keele wrote...

Literateminority wrote...

Keele wrote...

Fiery Specter wrote...

MachDelta wrote...

topster88 wrote...

People think the negative posts are because of 4chan?

How delusional are you?

There was a bit of a spat on these boards and on /v/ a few days ago. It culminated in members of both boards (though 4chan is known for its raids) bombing zero-scores on metacritic to drag the average down.
Meh.

I wouldn't put it past the dev's to  give fake reviews to artificially raise the scores.  I think that is more credible.

Then get your head checked.

If you honestly believe that a company will not do anything they can get away with to increase sales, than you are the one who needs to get his head examined. Ratings influence sales and thus manipulating ratings is a logical strategy to increase sales. It even has a name, it is called "guerrilla marketing". Their are even companies who are specialized in doing presidency that, namely spaming forums and the like with people claiming to be user. They are here, they are on amazon.com, you find them everywhere.

What do you think would happen if either BioWare or said reviewer got caught?

Nothing, except lose credibility as a game developer, which seems to have pretty much happened.

Wonderful! Then we've established that they have something to lose.

Now, what do these users have to lose?

[Buffy-Summers]

So you want all dissenting opinion silenced because you like the game?

What rule would they have to write to get this lovefest?


I am polite in my dissent

I do not attack anyone, I do not use foul language, I do not spam, I do not advertise

Bioware does not need  cherry picked feedback, they need the truth

ALL OF IT

[John Sheridan]

You feel bad for BioWare?

[Fiery Specter]

Keele wrote...

Fiery Specter wrote...

Keele wrote...

Literateminority wrote...

Keele wrote...

Fiery Specter wrote...

MachDelta wrote...

topster88 wrote...

People think the negative posts are because of 4chan?

How delusional are you?

There was a bit of a spat on these boards and on /v/ a few days ago. It culminated in members of both boards (though 4chan is known for its raids) bombing zero-scores on metacritic to drag the average down.
Meh.

I wouldn't put it past the dev's to  give fake reviews to artificially raise the scores.  I think that is more credible.

Then get your head checked.

If you honestly believe that a company will not do anything they can get away with to increase sales, than you are the one who needs to get his head examined. Ratings influence sales and thus manipulating ratings is a logical strategy to increase sales. It even has a name, it is called "guerrilla marketing". Their are even companies who are specialized in doing presidency that, namely spaming forums and the like with people claiming to be user. They are here, they are on amazon.com, you find them everywhere.

What do you think would happen if either BioWare or said reviewer got caught?

Nothing, except lose credibility as a game developer, which seems to have pretty much happened.

Wonderful! Then we've established that they have something to lose.

Now, what do these users have to lose?

What do they have to gain.  Having nothing to lose is only important if you stand to gain something.  Nice try, but your point is woefully inadequate.

[TwistedComplex]

Fiery Specter wrote...
What do they have to gain.  Having nothing to lose is only important if you stand to gain something.  Nice try, but your point is woefully inadequate.

What they have the gain is the feeling that they're doing something hinder Dragon Age 2 sales

Mob mantality. You can lead sheep off a cliff even if it means they die at the end

[Comrade Goby]

1 star thread OP.

Take a multi and lift heavy maybe then you'll be able to make 5 star threads.

[Leon Zweihander]

My true hope is that Bioware learns from this debacle and have a firmer stance on their next project in terms of development time, as well as better customer appreciation (banned game access for profanity on the forums & an unexplained program uncomfortably similar to Securom). Bioware's reputation as a company that makes top notch rpg has been untarnished until now, and unfortunately it will take a lot of effort to reclaim that image.

[Fiery Specter]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Fiery Specter wrote...
What do they have to gain.  Having nothing to lose is only important if you stand to gain something.  Nice try, but your point is woefully inadequate.

What they have the gain is the feeling that they're doing something hinder Dragon Age 2 sales

Mob mantality. You can lead sheep off a cliff even if it means they die at the end

I wish I had done something to hinder the sale of the game and not bought it.  The game is not worth 60 dollars.  Without the voice acting it would've been worth a $15 dollar download from XBox Live Arcade.

[TwistedComplex]

Leon Zweihander wrote...

My true hope is that Bioware learns from this debacle and have a firmer stance on their next project in terms of development time, as well as better customer appreciation (banned game access for profanity on the forums & an unexplained program uncomfortably similar to Securom). Bioware's reputation as a company that makes top notch rpg has been untarnished until now, and unfortunately it will take a lot of effort to reclaim that image.

Did everyone go into a coma, or are people forgetting about Jade Empire? That's still the lowest rated Bioware game

People will discard the "debacle" in a few months. Well before even SWTOR comes out

Right now people who don't like it say this "OMG DA2 IS THE WORST GAMEZDD EVAR ASKJDSA"

A few months later, people who don't like it will say "DA2? Yeah, that game was pretty bad"

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 12 mars 2011 - 05:45 .

[Keele]

Fiery Specter wrote...

Keele wrote...

Fiery Specter wrote...

Keele wrote...

Literateminority wrote...

Keele wrote...

Fiery Specter wrote...

MachDelta wrote...

topster88 wrote...

People think the negative posts are because of 4chan?

How delusional are you?

There was a bit of a spat on these boards and on /v/ a few days ago. It culminated in members of both boards (though 4chan is known for its raids) bombing zero-scores on metacritic to drag the average down.
Meh.

I wouldn't put it past the dev's to  give fake reviews to artificially raise the scores.  I think that is more credible.

Then get your head checked.

If you honestly believe that a company will not do anything they can get away with to increase sales, than you are the one who needs to get his head examined. Ratings influence sales and thus manipulating ratings is a logical strategy to increase sales. It even has a name, it is called "guerrilla marketing". Their are even companies who are specialized in doing presidency that, namely spaming forums and the like with people claiming to be user. They are here, they are on amazon.com, you find them everywhere.

What do you think would happen if either BioWare or said reviewer got caught?

Nothing, except lose credibility as a game developer, which seems to have pretty much happened.

Wonderful! Then we've established that they have something to lose.

Now, what do these users have to lose?

What do they have to gain.

Amusement.

[Aurgelmir]

John Sheridan wrote...



You feel bad for BioWare?

+1 for you sir

[Literateminority]

Keele wrote...

Fiery Specter wrote...

Keele wrote...

Fiery Specter wrote...

Keele wrote...

Literateminority wrote...

Keele wrote...

Fiery Specter wrote...

MachDelta wrote...

topster88 wrote...

People think the negative posts are because of 4chan?

How delusional are you?

There was a bit of a spat on these boards and on /v/ a few days ago. It culminated in members of both boards (though 4chan is known for its raids) bombing zero-scores on metacritic to drag the average down.
Meh.

I wouldn't put it past the dev's to  give fake reviews to artificially raise the scores.  I think that is more credible.

Then get your head checked.

If you honestly believe that a company will not do anything they can get away with to increase sales, than you are the one who needs to get his head examined. Ratings influence sales and thus manipulating ratings is a logical strategy to increase sales. It even has a name, it is called "guerrilla marketing". Their are even companies who are specialized in doing presidency that, namely spaming forums and the like with people claiming to be user. They are here, they are on amazon.com, you find them everywhere.

What do you think would happen if either BioWare or said reviewer got caught?

Nothing, except lose credibility as a game developer, which seems to have pretty much happened.

Wonderful! Then we've established that they have something to lose.

Now, what do these users have to lose?

What do they have to gain.

Amusement.

As weak as that "motive" might be, it is a sad fact that writing negative reviews about this game is probably more fun than playing it. I truly feel sorry for Bioware.

[Fiery Specter]

Keele wrote...

Fiery Specter wrote...

Keele wrote...

Fiery Specter wrote...

Keele wrote...

Literateminority wrote...

Keele wrote...

Fiery Specter wrote...

MachDelta wrote...

topster88 wrote...

People think the negative posts are because of 4chan?

How delusional are you?

There was a bit of a spat on these boards and on /v/ a few days ago. It culminated in members of both boards (though 4chan is known for its raids) bombing zero-scores on metacritic to drag the average down.
Meh.

I wouldn't put it past the dev's to  give fake reviews to artificially raise the scores.  I think that is more credible.

Then get your head checked.

If you honestly believe that a company will not do anything they can get away with to increase sales, than you are the one who needs to get his head examined. Ratings influence sales and thus manipulating ratings is a logical strategy to increase sales. It even has a name, it is called "guerrilla marketing". Their are even companies who are specialized in doing presidency that, namely spaming forums and the like with people claiming to be user. They are here, they are on amazon.com, you find them everywhere.

What do you think would happen if either BioWare or said reviewer got caught?

Nothing, except lose credibility as a game developer, which seems to have pretty much happened.

Wonderful! Then we've established that they have something to lose.

Now, what do these users have to lose?

What do they have to gain.

Amusement.

Guess you win, momentarily amusement of random people outweighs a company's need to keep sales high. You must think that we're all extremely lucky that Bioware doesn't have an application process for the privilege of playing their amazing game.

Modifié par Fiery Specter, 12 mars 2011 - 05:52 .

[Gatt9]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Surematt wrote...

4chan did not do this. dont be so stupid. if this was a raid, the numbers would be in the thousands all saying 0. not low hundreds mostly saying 2-5. I am sure a few neckbeards raged and gave it a 0 after playing the demo, but than, some of the 10's are just bull**** too.

Why is it that on every game website, the user reviews for Dragon Age 2 are in the mid 80s, but are in the low 30s on metacritic?

If it looks like a duck....

Actually,  I'd say you really need to look at that message a bit more closely.  Like maybe notice your supposed evidence for a raid consists of a grand total of 14 posts to that thread.  You might also want to consider that 4chan moves so fast that by the time you're done reading the headers on the first page,  all of those threads are on page 6. 

So basically,  you just proved 4chan didn't raid.  Because 14 posts on a thread isn't a raid.

You might also want to look around,  your claim that all the user reviews are in the mid 80's is a bold faced lie...

Gamespot 7.0 PC
IGN 7.3 Xbox, 6.5 PC

Or do you just disregard the ones you don't like?

[AlanC9]

Guys, do we really need that many levels of nested quotes?

[Aurgelmir]

Gatt9 wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Surematt wrote...

4chan did not do this. dont be so stupid. if this was a raid, the numbers would be in the thousands all saying 0. not low hundreds mostly saying 2-5. I am sure a few neckbeards raged and gave it a 0 after playing the demo, but than, some of the 10's are just bull**** too.

Why is it that on every game website, the user reviews for Dragon Age 2 are in the mid 80s, but are in the low 30s on metacritic?

If it looks like a duck....

Actually,  I'd say you really need to look at that message a bit more closely.  Like maybe notice your supposed evidence for a raid consists of a grand total of 14 posts to that thread.  You might also want to consider that 4chan moves so fast that by the time you're done reading the headers on the first page,  all of those threads are on page 6. 

So basically,  you just proved 4chan didn't raid.  Because 14 posts on a thread isn't a raid.

You might also want to look around,  your claim that all the user reviews are in the mid 80's is a bold faced lie...

Gamespot 7.0 PC
IGN 7.3 Xbox, 6.5 PC

Or do you just disregard the ones you don't like?

It was 4.8 based on 50 reviews the day before it kicked off anyway. people need to stop using 4chan as a scapegoat.

[TwistedComplex]

Gatt9 wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Surematt wrote...

4chan did not do this. dont be so stupid. if this was a raid, the numbers would be in the thousands all saying 0. not low hundreds mostly saying 2-5. I am sure a few neckbeards raged and gave it a 0 after playing the demo, but than, some of the 10's are just bull**** too.

Why is it that on every game website, the user reviews for Dragon Age 2 are in the mid 80s, but are in the low 30s on metacritic?

If it looks like a duck....

Actually,  I'd say you really need to look at that message a bit more closely.  Like maybe notice your supposed evidence for a raid consists of a grand total of 14 posts to that thread.  You might also want to consider that 4chan moves so fast that by the time you're done reading the headers on the first page,  all of those threads are on page 6. 

So basically,  you just proved 4chan didn't raid.  Because 14 posts on a thread isn't a raid.

You might also want to look around,  your claim that all the user reviews are in the mid 80's is a bold faced lie...

That's litterally the worst excuse i've ever seen

Go on /v/ right now, i guarantee there is a DA2 hate thread will 100+ replies, and somewhere in that thread is a mention of Metacritic

BTW, Dragon age 2 is at 4/5 stars on amazon

[Hunter Stenwulf]

Babli wrote...

Dirty **** wrote...
I feel sorry for BioWare for being FORCED to release a game before it had proper development time.

Exactly.

[The Nur]

You know.. as a Bioware and a Dragon Age fan, I have just as much right as anyone else to come here with my opinions. Good AND Bad. Both of which I have done here and elsewhere.. and I resent having my opinion dismissed by an assumption anyone with a complaint is a "4chan troll".

I like a lot of things so far in DA:2 and I resent a lot as well. I don't see how only half my opinion can have any validity at any one time.

You can't throw a fit because people aren't accepting YOUR opinion as established fact while, at the same time, dismissing anyone who disagrees as not having any valid right to an opinion.

[Manic Sheep]

And some people just don’t like the game and neither pirated the game or are 4 chan trolls. Don't assume they are. People are allowed to have different opinions to you and not gush over every bioware game.

Banning people swearing and being intentionally offensive and rude to other forum members: yes

Banning people with criticism or who don’t like the game: Hell no!

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 12 mars 2011 - 06:08 .

[TwistedComplex]

Aurgelmir wrote...

It was 4.8 based on 50 reviews the day before it kicked off anyway. people need to stop using 4chan as a scapegoat.

"The day it kicked off"

Proving that there is no possible way they could have beaten it.

You're telling me that after 2 years mass effect 2 has 230 reviews, but after a few hours DA2 has 50 negative ones, and that's NOT suspicious AT ALL?

[Fiery Specter]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Aurgelmir wrote...

It was 4.8 based on 50 reviews the day before it kicked off anyway. people need to stop using 4chan as a scapegoat.

"The day it kicked off"

Proving that there is no possible way they could have beaten it.

You're telling me that after 2 years mass effect 2 has 230 reviews, but after a few hours DA2 has 50 negative ones, and that's NOT suspicious AT ALL?

The complaints for many start really early in the game.  Some people are able to notice the reuse of maps right away, and not have to finish the game before they start having suspicions of being ripped off.

[Aurgelmir]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Aurgelmir wrote...

It was 4.8 based on 50 reviews the day before it kicked off anyway. people need to stop using 4chan as a scapegoat.

"The day it kicked off"

Proving that there is no possible way they could have beaten it.

You're telling me that after 2 years mass effect 2 has 230 reviews, but after a few hours DA2 has 50 negative ones, and that's NOT suspicious AT ALL?

50 reviews almost two days after the game is released seems perfectly plausible to me, especially if people have given up on the game because is not particularly good.

[TwistedComplex]

Fiery Specter wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Aurgelmir wrote...

It was 4.8 based on 50 reviews the day before it kicked off anyway. people need to stop using 4chan as a scapegoat.

"The day it kicked off"

Proving that there is no possible way they could have beaten it.

You're telling me that after 2 years mass effect 2 has 230 reviews, but after a few hours DA2 has 50 negative ones, and that's NOT suspicious AT ALL?

The complaints for many start really early in the game.  Some people are able to notice the reuse of maps right away, and not have to finish the game before they start having suspicions of being ripped off.

Ok... Meta critic now has 500 reviews. It was released 3 days ago and has twice as many reviews as mass effect

I'm sorry, but my bulls*** alarm is going ballistic

[this isnt my name]

The personal attacks on the devs are just nasty.

Guys I dont like what BW has become, but come on try to be better than that, instead of looking like a spoilt child. There is not agreeing with them, and there is being a **** there is no reason for you to be option 2. Unless DA2 killed your family.