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[Fiery Specter]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Fiery Specter wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Aurgelmir wrote...

It was 4.8 based on 50 reviews the day before it kicked off anyway. people need to stop using 4chan as a scapegoat.

"The day it kicked off"

Proving that there is no possible way they could have beaten it.

You're telling me that after 2 years mass effect 2 has 230 reviews, but after a few hours DA2 has 50 negative ones, and that's NOT suspicious AT ALL?

The complaints for many start really early in the game.  Some people are able to notice the reuse of maps right away, and not have to finish the game before they start having suspicions of being ripped off.

Ok... Meta critic now has 500 reviews. It was released 3 days ago and has twice as many reviews as mass effect

I'm sorry, but my bulls*** alarm is going ballistic

People are much more likely to stand up and say something when they are angry about something.  It's human nature.

[TwistedComplex]

Double post

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 12 mars 2011 - 06:27 .

[TwistedComplex]

Fiery Specter wrote...

People are much more likely to stand up and say something when they are angry about something.  It's human nature.

And people weren't angry about the switch from Mass Effect to Mass Effect 2?

There was MASSIVE outrage on the forums.

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 12 mars 2011 - 06:28 .

[Literateminority]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Aurgelmir wrote...

It was 4.8 based on 50 reviews the day before it kicked off anyway. people need to stop using 4chan as a scapegoat.

"The day it kicked off"

Proving that there is no possible way they could have beaten it.

You're telling me that after 2 years mass effect 2 has 230 reviews, but after a few hours DA2 has 50 negative ones, and that's NOT suspicious AT ALL?

Got the larger tinfoil hat (eye cover) with added protection against different opinions already?

[TwistedComplex]

Literateminority wrote...





Got the larger tinfoil hat (eye cover) with added protection against different opinions already?

Oh please. /v/ makes no secret about them hating everything Bioware does

I think it's hilarious you call me a conspiracy theorist and then say that EA buys off reviewers and game sites delete bad reviews

Your post just boils down to one big beautful poetic irony

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 12 mars 2011 - 06:33 .

[asaiasai]

I feel absolutely nothing for Bioware other than a smug bit of satisfaction in the "I told you so" moment i am sure they are experiencing. Who in thier right mind thought that subjecting DA to "Mass Effectization" was going to be a good idea, man they must have some good chronic in Canada? What Bioware is getting is just deserts for breaking the cardinal rule, If it is not broken do not fix it, but i am sure egos were involved, penises were measured and in the end we the fans get an over simplified version of a game. Yes Bioware deserves a big swift kick in the "jimmies", now hopefully we the fans have not bruised them too bad with all the kicking, so that they will have the stones to go to the execu-punks at EA and pass along some "I told you so of thier own" and a few swift kicks of thier own.

Asai

Modifié par asaiasai, 12 mars 2011 - 06:35 .

[wowpwnslol]

Don't feel sorry for them, they deserve everything they get for this fiasco. It will be a good day for gaming, when EA and everyone assiciated with them goes bankrupt.

[TwistedComplex]

asaiasai wrote...

What Bioware is getting is just deserts for breaking the cardinal rule, If it is not broken do not fix it,

So we shouldn't try to improve if it works well enough?

That s*** rule flies directly in the face of what made humans get to where they are today

Nothing was wrong with fighting wars with swords. But give me a choice between swords and guns and guess which i would pick

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 12 mars 2011 - 06:39 .

[AngelicMachinery]

I feel sorry for Bioware, I wish my Hawke was still a crazy werewolf.

[asaiasai]

TwistedComplex wrote...

asaiasai wrote...

What Bioware is getting is just deserts for breaking the cardinal rule, If it is not broken do not fix it,

So we shouldn't try to improve if it works well enough?

That s*** rule flies directly in the face of what made humans get to where they are today

Nothing was wrong with fighting wars with swords. But give me a choice between swords and guns and guess which i would pick

Noit does not our species got to where we are through a long trial and error process. With limited resources one has to choose what one will spend them on, to fix something that was working fine and ignore that which was clearly broken is counter productive, which DA2 from what i saw in the demo and hear here is exactly what happened. To frame this point in context this process involves trial which is the new design philosophy for DA2 "the when a player hits a button something spectacular happens" as a case in point, and error which is the result of the design process also know as DA2.  

If you are going to expend energy you should expend it on the things that were broken in DAO and have left the stuff that was not broken alone, or you just wasted energy and resources for litle or no gain as is the case here. I cancelled my pre order a week before launch as the details oriented type of play that i enjoy was minimilaized for flashy graphics for a button masher mentality. 

There is no problem with that it is how ever not what i was looking for in a game, as such since the game minimized the details aspects of game play i like for shallow visual effects which i was not looking for i gave it a pass. I will buy the game eventually as even my morbid curiosity will get the better of me and i will have to check out the train wreck photos, i just will not pay full price for something that has not distinguished itself from the rest of the market. Other companies do DA2 and Mass Effect2 types of games SO MUCH better than Bioware, what those companies do not do better is the details oriented game play of DAO, Mass Effect or Fall Out. I can get DA2 and Mass Effect style of games ANYWHERE, the market is literally flodded with them, Lowest Common Denominator, all style and no character or class.

Before you freak out about my opinions considering i cancelled my pre order after playing the demo, just a note i watched the development and participated in the many discusiions concerning DA2 so i saw all of this comming, but was not sure until the demo that i was close to right. Hearing what i am hearing from my folks here on these boards, (i have ignored just about everything concerning the game but i will not ignore the folks here who i hav had many a DAO inspired conversation with. Even the most forgiving of them is still has reservations or disappointment in thier purchase other than just supporting Bioware because they are Bioware, which for me is probably how we wound up here. The puppy pooped on the rug it is time for nose in the poop, followed by a firm NO!, and considering what happened to Mass Effect 2 maybe a swat with a rolled up newspaper is in order. 

Asai 

[Pugnate]

Justin2k wrote...

To be honest, I'm not a 4-chan troll but I'm hugely disappointed with the game.

I think the lead developer, reading what he has to say, is completely out of touch with the fans of Dragon Age, didn't like the things the majority of us liked about Origins, did like the things the majority of people wanted to be changed, and was just the wrong man for the job.

And should be fired.

I have to agree. I think he should be fired as well. This is a blunder, pure and simple.

[AlanC9]

asaiasai wrote...
If you are going to expend energy you should expend it on the things that were broken in DAO and have left the stuff that was not broken alone, or you just wasted energy and resources for litle or no gain as is the case here. I cancelled my pre order a week before launch as the details oriented type of play that i enjoy was minimilaized for flashy graphics for a button masher mentality.

You not liking it doesn't mean they put their energy in the wrong place. DAO combat was considered broken on the consoles, and I'm not sure the PC version combat was all that popular either. From the reveiws, DAO succeeded despite the combat, not because of it.

[Seitur]

I do NOT feel sorry for them. They brought this upon themselves. They took DA2 into arcade and ineractive movie way ,while they should move even more into BG2 way then DA:O was.

Judging from interviews they also choose wrong people for the job.

[Autoclave]

I feel sorry for Bioware for being so gullible and selling itself to EA.

[ji.Ruichi]

Hah, and Bioware feels sorry for us falling for it!!

[The Train]

asaiasai wrote...

No it does not our species got to where we are through a long trial and error process. With limited resources one has to choose what one will spend them on, to fix something that was working fine and ignore that which was clearly broken is counter productive, which DA2 from what i saw in the demo and hear here is exactly what happened. To frame this point in context this process involves trial which is the new design philosophy for DA2 "the when a player hits a button something spectacular happens" as a case in point, and error which is the result of the design process also know as DA2.

i'm not happy with DA2 either, but i do think that if we're going to use this argument we need to be thinking of the context in which DA2 was developed.  after all, "trial and error" sounds a lot like "natural selection."  you try something, and if you mess it up and you aren't dead, you can fix it.

of course, what constrains trial and error is your available resources, and what you are striving for with trial and error is to maximize your gains with the smallest energy or resource expenditure.

for those of us who wanted Origins 2, the game seems to be a disappointment because it radically changes the very things that made us like DAO.  and, of course, there are some of us who believe the game itself is simply not very good on its own merits--bugs, recycled maps, meandering story, and boring quests are frequent complaints i hear.

but, ultimately, does this mean that the game is an "error"?  arguably, DA2 will be a success.  it will very likely expand the fanbase beyond the fanbase for DAO and, while it has alienated BG and DAO fans, it will probably bring in new fans to more than make up for the ones it has lost.  so while i, and many others, are disappointed, i don't think we can say that this was an "error" on bioware's part.

what it is is merely a disappointing change in direction for those of us who expected more from the game.

[Handsome Hank]

In the end I think we can all agree that the problems in this game are due to the influence of EA. They have an amazing ability to tank anything with their quest for the ultimate cash cow. I had hoped that Bioware would be able to stand up against them but I guess not.

[AlesMrak]

Yes comrade Turnip lets ban free speech. I think that you that kind a person which has a hidden quasi stalin personality somewhere.

br.
Dr.Jones

Modifié par AlesMrak, 12 mars 2011 - 08:46 .

[johnny3144]

bought the game, beat it, disappointed in it. all of this happened in roughly 3 days. the game is short and shallow compared to dragon age origin. i personally don't like any of the newer releases from bioware, they seem to get worse every time.

-mass effect 2 was dumbed down and story felt forced, but it was still good since it had improvement over mass effect 1.

-dragon age: awakening: the story almost felt like a copy of legion's story from mass effect 2 and it didn't have too much to do with dragon age origin. but it was still acceptable.

-witch hunt: this was suppose to answer questions about morrigan right? what exactly got answered? umm mirror.. book...umm i am in a mirror? rather pointless DLC

-dragon age 2: i give it 7/10...at most....

Modifié par johnny3144, 12 mars 2011 - 08:47 .

[graciegrace]

imo, the only problem is that it was mistitled, and thus, misadvertised, and thus, people had a grandiose idea of what it should be, and since it simply isn't the same thing as DAO it's hated

It's not DA2 imo, it's the opening to a different story, it's not a sequel, it's an independent but connected work. It's like... Hawke's Origin Story imo, at least that's the feeling I get from it so far

[Darji]

Turnip Root wrote...

They worked hard to deliver us this great RPG sequel just to have metacritic and their forums flooded with 4chan trolls who pirated the game and are now claiming it's garbage.  This same crap happened when Mass Effect 2 was released too I remember.
Bioware is my favorite game development company by far and I hope this negative backlash doesn't hurt morale over at Bioware.

I know it's not a forum policy but I really think Chris, and Stanley need to start banning people who talk trash about Bioware and their games.  I come to these forums as a fan to discuss my love of Bioware games with other fans.  Giving these haters free reign creates a hostile atmosphere for those who wish to talk about these great games in peace.

People who get banned from the forums ceratinly should not lose access to their game as what has reportedly been happening but 99 percent of these critics probably pirated the game anyways so it doesn't really matter in that case.

Where do you live? North Korea?^^

Sorry but people have a right to complain. If all was just a happy dream wonderland than nothing would ever change for the better. They needed this wakeup call and now lets all hope that they think now more about their new games and think about the overall community who supported them for so long.

DA2 is just a slap in the face for RPG fans.

[TDL]

I find this all very ironic
Hilariously so

For years and years we have been expressing our discontent with the declining quality of RPGs and subsequent decline of the things that used to make RPGS... well, RPGS.
And for all those years you've mocked us, writing off our disdain as trolling or a simple inability to handle change.

And now look at you.   All grown up.  Politely expressing your own dissatisfaction with the declining "evolution" of the RPG genre and the subsequent drop in quality as games begin to target an even lower common denominator than you; just as we used to before we became angry and jaded over the years at disappointment after disappointment.

Let me tell you something.  Evolution doesn't stop when you want it to.  It keeps going, right over all your legitimate anger and disapproval until your immersion and romances are replaced by cutscenes and A FOR AWESOME, just as our C&C and character-skill based combat systems were so long ago replaced by your beloved immersion and romances.
It keeps going until, a few years down a road, your complaints about the new&improved "streamlined (dumbed down) game mechanics" are met with "troll" and "you just can't handle change, if it were up to you we'd all be playing pacman".  It keeps going until you are banned for expressing your legitimate discontent and until you are called "hipsters" by moron fanboys who don't even understand what the term means (look it up!).

Now you begin to understand our anger. 

Sincerely - a lurker of RPGCodex.



I fully expect to get banned soon for saying the C- word, so don't expect me to reply to anything you say.

Modifié par TDL, 14 mars 2011 - 03:45 .

[Nonoru]

TheJestersHat wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...



I know it's not a forum policy but I really think Chris, and Stanley need to start banning people who talk trash about Bioware and their games.  I come to these forums as a fan to discuss my love of Bioware games with other fans.  Giving these haters free reign creates a hostile atmosphere for those who wish to talk about these great games in peace.

Oh come on fella. Banned for giving negative feedback?

The negative feedback threads(and i mean those who are worth a read, and now that i think about all the other which are worth it) are flooded under the huge waves of trolls.

You have to be blind or simply ignoring it on purpose to not see it.

[Upset Goldfish]

I feel sorry for Bioware having to comply with the shadowy umbrella that is EA. To be honest, I believe the faults with DAII were more to do with EA pushing for it to be released in such a short dev time, with the aim to garner a larger market, and to sell more DLC.

[strinder]

I feel sorry for my wallet, not those who now have my money.