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[Baaleos]

Hi Lightfoot - Had a quick glance at the forum in ur link - Is this for a Single PW?

Connection Problems
Sorry, SMF was unable to connect to the database. This may be caused by the server being busy. Please try again later.

I think I accidentally bought down ur forum?
I clicked on GM Rhun - not realising it was a PM Link, it asked me to log in, I pressed the back button, browsed, and BANG, SMF cant talk to the database.

[ehye_khandee]

kalbaern wrote...


1) You were removed from the group because your only input was "Use a Linux Server and not Windows" and further, you constantly belittled any other suggestions. In short, you we're adding nothing productive to discussions and becoming a troll. It wasn't that any of us disagreed with you either. It was your belitlling tone and the refusal to accept that some PW Hosts/Admins couldn't convert to Linux. Some simply can't afford it, some simply are uncomfortable with the idea of using a platform they know nothing about and some folks just hate change. So our group provided the best possible solutions we could to meet as many of each others personal needs. The core difference being, the rest of saw no reason not to compromise if that's what another PW was requesting.

I was asked to join and to share my experience. I was practically greeted by a round of "burn the heretic linux user!" Nowhere in my posts did I call anyone any names, I simply advocated linux as the most sound choice when asked point blank such a question in the forum. I further expressed my distrust of bending the membership rule which started out as 'only server admins allowed membership' and was drowned in contrary opinion. I offered no further insights pending my own evaluation of the non-admin inductees, quite unwilling to share my lore with what could amount to a mole in the group. Again, I broke NO POSTED RULE, but, you caught me, red[hat] handed, I'm a linux user.

kalbaern wrote...

2) TSM Dude had indeed recieved several complaints from other in our group. We were actually on Skype together chatting when the decision to remove you was made. Yes, he'd asked me and I'd initially suggested he merely warn you instead. He pasted a link to your then latest post ... and I changed my mind and agreed with him and others that since you had nothing productive to offer and were becoming a mere troll that your absense was likely best.

Here you prove again, it went from 'please join us and obey the posted rules' to 'dis-agree with no-one and worship only at the font of Bill Gates sharing all your valuable lore quickly while we still have not voted you out.'

kalbaern wrote...

3) After removing you from the Forum, TSM Dude did PM everyone en masse to let them know and see if anyone thought removal too harsh of an option. Out of twenty-some folks, no one responded that you should be let back in.

Further reason why my esteem of each member plummetted.

kalbaern wrote...

4) The rule you broke was blantant trolling. Was it posted? No. Does forum etiquette on a forum whose members are mainly PW Admins really need such or shouldn't it just be common sense?

Trolling? Interesting that advocating what I was asked to advocate by the admin when he invited me to join is trolling.

kalbaern wrote...

5) No one outed you. No one came here or to other forums to bad mouth you. You were simply removed. It was you that began attacking the group at large after.

'bad mouth' implies I spoke falsely. Your own post agrees that exactly what I asserted did in fact happen. If the truth hurts, well, learn from it. Someone asked in this forum if there was a forum where an admin could share and recieve help in the area of securing a server, I responded with what I know of it.

kalbaern wrote...

6) Its not in anyway a "popularity" contest you lost. You lost the "civility" contest. Many of us in this group have apposing viewpoints and even dislikes for each other. We collectively set any issues aside though and stood together. All but one of us that is. You. You were banned from a forum you continually claimed you didn't need as your server was immune anyhow. Get over it already.

Please reference your own #2 above which is in direct conflict with this statement under #6.

At no point did I attack any individual, I advocated for linux as a first step. I never said 'I did not need' your forum, you put words in my mouth. The long and the short of it, they banned and maligned a fellow who had what they sought, a stable server.

The long post you made only agrees with my statement of fact. Me, I'm sticking with Linux. I in no way attacked anyone on that forum. I advocated based on my experience which I was asked to share when I was invited by the admin who later banned me exactly as listed.

kalbaern wrote...

7) Our group never claimed you were one of the "NWN Greifers". Some may have alluded that your harrassment here was just as bad, but no one ever claimed you were one of them.

Are you certain you speak for the whole group on that matter?

kalbaern wrote...

8) True, we not only allowed a few "Non-Admins" to join, we invited them to do so. They were all individuals that were well vetted and longstanding contributors to the NWN Community at large. No "rule" was broken. A rule was ammended to make exceptions for a few rare cases where the individuals invited would be an asset to both our group and the community as a whole.

Lastly, please drop the "cancer" comments. Its beneath you or so I'd hope. TSM Dude has left the NWN Community already anyhow. "His" was endstage and we're not likely to hear more.

It is always sad to see the community shrink, doubly so by means of the veil. Note again, I never targeted this guy, he ASSUMED I did - I used the reference of cancer because ALL OF US KNOW SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN THERE and this was meant to point out the fallacy of the Soph. quote we were at that time discussing. Bear in mind, as 'cute' as some select quotes from ancient philosophers may sound, they have largely been disproven in the intervening centuries. Certainly in many cases we each can cite, now in the light of science, which disprove the very same quote. We are not, individually, wholly responsible for our condition; none of us were borne in a vaacuum - the vagarities of the world, including those we are at the time unaware of or unaware of the effects of (like say asbestos) weigh in on our lives, at times amounting to decisions made decades ago and by people thousands of miles away DO sometimes result in bad things happening. Taking time to connect the dots instead of presuming my statements 'attack' some individual because they are impacted by the 'bad thing happening' from my example (which is utterly unfounded) would have been a better choice.

Be well. Game on.
GM_ODA

Modifié par ehye_khandee, 13 octobre 2011 - 06:32 .

[Thayan]

NWN DM - do you have any more of that popcorn? This show is turning into a Lord of the Rings marathon.


For the record -
I am a member of this admin group and asked TSM Junkie to remove ehye from those forums because I felt his overbearing and egotistical nature was stifling discussion. I have a wife, I don’t need someone else picking apart and criticizing everything I say - especially in regard to a game I spend my time on for enjoyment.

For years now I have watched, simply shook my head at his BS, and never before wasted my time feeding this troll by demonstrating just how much I truly despise him. Just look at these posts of his! Ever since the days he first oozed forth onto the old forums he has continually demonstrated tendencies to puff up his chest and proclaim how god-like and infallible he thinks he is, extremely overreact, and lash out any who disagree with him in even the slightest way.

But after all these years of keeping my mouth shut and staying as far away from this jerk as possible, today is finally the day I can no longer contain my disgust and remain silent at his never-ending accusations, rants, and demonstrations of truly venomous behavior. Now more than ever, I strongly feel that not just the admin group, but any organization/community is better off without ehye’s unmatched arrogance and inflated sense of self-worth and entitlement - which also includes the NWN community as a whole.

[ehye_khandee]

Thayan wrote...

NWN DM - do you have any more of that popcorn? This show is turning into a Lord of the Rings marathon.


For the record -
I am a member of this admin group and asked TSM Junkie to remove ehye from those forums because I felt his overbearing and egotistical nature was stifling discussion. I have a wife, I don’t need someone else picking apart and criticizing everything I say - especially in regard to a game I spend my time on for enjoyment.

For years now I have watched, simply shook my head at his BS, and never before wasted my time feeding this troll by demonstrating just how much I truly despise him. Just look at these posts of his! Ever since the days he first oozed forth onto the old forums he has continually demonstrated tendencies to puff up his chest and proclaim how god-like and infallible he thinks he is, extremely overreact, and lash out any who disagree with him in even the slightest way.

But after all these years of keeping my mouth shut and staying as far away from this jerk as possible, today is finally the day I can no longer contain my disgust and remain silent at his never-ending accusations, rants, and demonstrations of truly venomous behavior. Now more than ever, I strongly feel that not just the admin group, but any organization/community is better off without ehye’s unmatched arrogance and inflated sense of self-worth and entitlement - which also includes the NWN community as a whole.

Ah, another round of 'burn the linux heretic' is it? Who do you feel I have attacked? Have you even read anything I've ever posted? Doubly so the above?

Heaven forbid my perceived ''god-like and infallible[ability]" gets in they way of your own.

Be well. Game on.
GM_ODA

[SHOVA]

ehye_khandee is right, at least those among the Linux community would agree, Linux is a better platform to host NWN, and secure it from greifers.

However he is completely clueless about dealing with others. Ranting that Linux is great is one thing, joining a group to secure Windows based servers and code to do so, does nothing to help. There is a cost issue for several. ehye_khandee did not offer to help with that. There is the time to switch over. ehye_khandee did not offer help with that either. Then there is the rebuilding that would have to be done, databases, scripting, and all the other problems that would, occur when switching the platform. ehye_khandee didn't bother to offer help with that either. When the Windows running part of the group stated they were staying with windows, and wanted code to secure that system, ehye_khandee showed is ego just like the above postings.

At some point the logic of possibly switching to Linux, went out the window because no one wanted to deal with him anymore. It is incredibly counter productive to ask, what code can we use to secure our Windows servers, and get, “use Linux, you should use Linux, Use Linux because we don’t have a problem“. 2 or 3 days of that, and no wonder he was kicked to the curb. When you add in the “You should limit your membership because I believe the greifers are everywhere” it became frustrating to even listen to him anymore.

Membership was given, to any who posted on the forums that griefing was occurring, and ways to help stop it. Sure a mole could have been given membership, but so what, its not like they were going to figure out how to by-pass the security that was shared. Since the admins took the security and made it work for them, changes would have made a “I know what to do” impossible. I was one of the non admins at the time. Yet I did give input when I knew what I was talking about, which by the way was not often. No mole was ever found within the group. No person other than ehye_khandee was ever removed from the group. No other conflict was had within the group. After he was removed, the ego really came to light.
Here is some of his best work:

In a message he sent to TSMJunkie,

“Having been insulted by your rude actions and such not being retracted in a reasonable period of time, I can only agree with my (MASTERS DEGREE) lead scripter when she says “despite the best advice of those who know what they are talking about, other people insist on doing the most massively stupid things.” By all means, please do revel your stupid. Your arbitury and double standards are disservice to your forum and all the admins who have joined.
Please do carry on.
Please do DELETE MY ACCOUNT - I wish to receive NOTHING from your forum again. You have done yourself and your group a great disservice. I’ll resolve just to smile when I see your servers down (as they are several times a day generally).
IF I RECEIVE ANY FURTHER MESSAGES FROM YOUR FORUMS I WILL REPORT THEM AS SPAM
GM_ODA”

Later he came back to these forums to complain, MR Stanley Woo, sent this to TSM,
“IF this sort of thing crops up again, please feel free to link me in. As BioWare is not responsible for hosting any mod or PW, any such drama or discussion of which server banned who or naming naming names is inappropriate discussion for our forums. Thank you.”

So to sum up. This topic is now way off course.
The OP is probably gone now anyway, since he may have figured out that server admins are not into putting up with crap.
ehye_khandee has effectively turned this topic into how the Admin group to stop griefing has wronged him.
Everyone else in the group does not agree, nor care what he thinks.
Bringing that up again, is against the rules, as stated by Stanley Woo,
I have reported ehye_khandee yet again, for that, and his continuing confrontational posts to start flame wars.
Now back to the original topic.

[Lightfoot8]

Baaleos wrote...

Hi Lightfoot - Had a quick glance at the forum in ur link - Is this for a Single PW?

Yes,  It was a link to The Silver Marshes.  It was my understanding that the Server Admin Group was a Members only board on that site when TMSDude set it up.    The original way of joining 7 months ago was...

TMSDude wrote... 
If you are intrested in joining this Admin list let us know or join our forums with the name of your server and link in your signature so I can verify your the admin there.

(TSMAdmin or FRCAdmin or WSIAdmin or FRSAdmin or whatever your server is called.)

Since I never joined the group this as all pretty much from memory of reading the boards here.  Hopefully someone will correct me if I am in error.

L8

[ehye_khandee]

SHOVA wrote...

ehye_khandee is right, at least those among the Linux community would agree, Linux is a better platform to host NWN, and secure it from greifers.

However he is completely clueless about dealing with others. Ranting????? that Linux is great is one thing, joining a group to secure Windows based servers and code to do so, does nothing to help. There is a cost issue for several. ehye_khandee did not offer to help with that. There is the time to switch over. ehye_khandee did not offer help with that either. Then there is the rebuilding that would have to be done, databases, scripting, and all the other problems that would, occur when switching the platform. ehye_khandee didn't bother to offer help with that either. When the Windows running part of the group stated they were staying with windows, and wanted code to secure that system, ehye_khandee showed is ego just like the above postings.

No rant, mere statement of facts in a way some windows users did not like. Crickey, I only suggested windows users might benefit from downloading a LIVE CD of some linux - burn it to a CD, boot from the thing (changes NOTHING on your system) and look at the thing. Where was it posted as being a group to secure windows based servers? No such representation was made to me at any time. Cost? LINUX IS FREE. I stopped offering advice when the rules for joining changed as mentioned, they were letting non admins into the system and I'll not just jump in and release my info to possible antagonistic agents. At no time did anyone ask me to review their scripts (which I've done for many servers), nor was I requested to respond to any windows issue.

SHOVA wrote...
At some point the logic of possibly switching to Linux, went out the window because no one wanted to deal with him anymore. It is incredibly counter productive to ask, what code can we use to secure our Windows servers, and get, “use Linux, you should use Linux, Use Linux because we don’t have a problem“. 2 or 3 days of that, and no wonder he was kicked to the curb. When you add in the “You should limit your membership because I believe the greifers are everywhere” it became frustrating to even listen to him anymore.

While it might be unpleasant for a windows devotee to acknowledge that other operating systems do some things better, it is NO reason to villify me, no reason to kill the messenger.

There is the root problem, none in the group wanted to listen to anything that was not in total agreement with their own premad decisions. This is what I pointed out in my post, intended to aid the new admin who had inquired about the group. I promptly got dog piled by folks who think I have nothing better to do than ruffle the feathers of persons with cancer. Remember, we WERE talking about the philosopher Soph., in his day it was normal to attribute any bad thing that happened as 'you angered some god' and hence Soph.'s shallow logic worked in those days for the unlearned masses.

That message I sent to TSMDUDE which you felt obligated to post, I sent after being thrown out of the group, and given various changing reasons for my exclusion. As no one there, including the Admin, wanted to listen to anything that was not 'their way or no way' I suggested what you see in the letter. I stand by it. At that point, I needed receive no further messages from that account and wanted it to be understood clearly.

I stand by my postings. I do hope you take full responsibility for your own. Post by those antagonistic to my position have verified every point I have made along the way. *shrugs* It's a crazy world.

Be well. Game on.
GM_ODA
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Modifié par ehye_khandee, 13 octobre 2011 - 10:58 .

[kalbaern]

@eyhe_khandee. No one has EVER denied that Linux is the best option. Its not a viable option however for many PWs because they lack the know how or comfort to use such a platform. When scripts and other suggestions were made, no one said you couldn't comment or help. Your constant droning on and on and on adnauseum that only Linux was the cure was tiring though.

As for any that you claim are antogonistic to your posts, thats a self fulfilling prophesy of your own doing as in any number of topics on these boards alone you tend to view anyone disagreeing with you as an antagonist. When you have issues with one person in a group, maybe its just "them". When its a group of twenty plus maybe, just maybe its actually you. So instead of looking out your window all day for people to blame, try a mirror just once.

[SHOVA]

Again, leave TSM Dudes illness out of it. You look bad doing it, and you are not endearing yourself to anyone here. You can't win this arguement by using it. so stop trying. 

Modifié par SHOVA, 14 octobre 2011 - 01:43 .

[kalbaern]

The "OP" has been offline since the beggining of August. I PM'd their current module host last night and posted an inquiry today on the PW Admin Forum seeing who would now handle adding new members, etc... as well.

[ehye_khandee]

I'm not 'using' they guys illness. I did not even know the guy had cancer when I made the original post that offended so many. I've said repeatedly, I referenced cancer because it is something that touches everyone's lives and the point with sophecles stands... modern reasoning has left sopheclese in the dust of history, rightly so.

Be well. Game on.
GM_ODA

[ehye_khandee]

kalbaern wrote...

@eyhe_khandee. No one has EVER denied that Linux is the best option. Its not a viable option however for many PWs because they lack the know how or comfort to use such a platform. When scripts and other suggestions were made, no one said you couldn't comment or help. Your constant droning on and on and on adnauseum that only Linux was the cure was tiring though.

As for any that you claim are antogonistic to your posts, thats a self fulfilling prophesy of your own doing as in any number of topics on these boards alone you tend to view anyone disagreeing with you as an antagonist. When you have issues with one person in a group, maybe its just "them". When its a group of twenty plus maybe, just maybe its actually you. So instead of looking out your window all day for people to blame, try a mirror just once.

You totally overreach when you think to tell others what I view or percieve. You should really stick to defining for others things you know first hand and not speculate on what I might or might not think. Your shallow fantasies about what I may or may not do are so far off the mark as to be just plain silly.

Understand, I advocated linux, I was invited to share my experience (with comptures, as a professional, that dates to 1981), I did so and was banned for doing as instructed and acting per the posted rules. Subsequently  I'm villified for quotes taken out of context by those who percieve the quotes as personal attacks, which they NEVER were (except maybe in your minds).

Simple facts.

Be well. Game on.
GM_ODA

[SHOVA]

And when after the zillionth time of your advocating ALL said we don't want to use it, were going to code for Windows, and Move forward from there, you had nothing to offer, and could not let it go. You still try to justify your lack of tact on his illness. Lower than Low. It will always be viewed as lower than low, no mater who you quote. The more you try to justify it, the worse you look. Give it up. As of now, the Admins from the group have what they need to keep their servers secure from greifers. They are not going to switch now to Linux, because the code for Windows works. its a moot point, so let it go. You lost, you couldn't sell the Linux. You get no commission for the hard sell.

To anyone else even remotely interested in returning to the topic of the post, I suggest we now ignore him.

[shadowsallaround]

I hope the poor soul doesn't go through any pain at all. Cancer is an unfair thing for any people to experience. Shova, you believe in Jesus? What ever happened to forgiveness? From listening to you, you are one of those individuals that hold grudges forever and ever. You sound like an intelligent person, but your heart is of stone. You sillies.

[Sona_]

And this is why people don't touch ehye_khandee's PW with a ten foot stick.

Dude is crazy. The white knighting for Linux (when no one has attacked it...) is just amusing.

[ehye_khandee]

SHOVA wrote...

And when after the zillionth time of your advocating ALL said we don't want to use it, were going to code for Windows, and Move forward from there, you had nothing to offer, and could not let it go. You still try to justify your lack of tact on his illness. Lower than Low. It will always be viewed as lower than low, no mater who you quote. The more you try to justify it, the worse you look. Give it up. As of now, the Admins from the group have what they need to keep their servers secure from greifers. They are not going to switch now to Linux, because the code for Windows works. its a moot point, so let it go. You lost, you couldn't sell the Linux. You get no commission for the hard sell.

To anyone else even remotely interested in returning to the topic of the post, I suggest we now ignore him.

Zillionth? Please exageration does NOTHING for your arguments.

I did not offer any new posts after the membership was opened to strangers without servers, save only answering direct questions on my prior threads.

I only offered actual solutions to problems offered, if one such solution included an OS change then so be it, it was still  a solution.

There was no 'lack of tack' - you act as if I knew the guy had cancer, for a fact I DID NOT - I do not know how or why the fellow would presume I did know, as the only time I ever visited his forum was when he invited me to join the group and share my knowledge and experience (assuming maybe he posted the fact of the nature of his illness there). I had noted he posted an 'I am ill' message in the bioware forums and for a fact, I sent him a general 'feel good' message at that time, but I had NO SPECIFICS on his illness, his message spoke only of going to hospital for a while. There therefore is NO REASON why I should be painted by you miscreants as having 'attacked' the guy. I offered a specific example of why the philospher in discussion was deprecated; science and reason yielded from 2000 years of thinking since his age.

You people keep sniping at me, yet you do not offer any actual evidence, only conjecture and your own third or fourth-hand impressions. This is utterly unwarranted.

As for those who would say 'nobody visits EK's server' you are wrong, we have players, and DMs and we gain more every time your windows servers go crashy, you should hear them complain when they come in from the windows BSOD storm.



Be well. Game on.
GM_ODA

[Baaleos]

As for those who would say 'nobody visits EK's server' you are wrong, we have players, and DMs and we gain more every time your windows servers go crashy, you should hear them complain when they come in from the windows BSOD storm.

I neither care if anyone goes to your sever, but your rash use of generalization has earned you a retard award.

Yes - Linux offers more stability vs Windows - because it is more trimmed down, and has less of the baggage that windows gets shipped with.

But to turn around and say that EVERY windows server is buggy, and yours isnt, is just pure arrogance - I arrived to this topic late, and already formed an opinion about you.... your obnoxous.

It even sounds like your trying to take credit for your 'Stable' Linux server.
You didnt make the server.
Bioware made the Linux Server code - all you do is run it, and pray it doesnt crash.

'And your servers soooo great'

Script Kiddie...

Modifié par Baaleos, 14 octobre 2011 - 06:59 .

[SHOVA]

ehye_khandee wrote...



Absolutely untrue. Unfounded rumors and political sniping have grossly limited access to the lists. Favoritism, grudges among admins and flat out arbitrary bad ADMIN work are at the root of it. So sad some people operate under the premise that they are the ONLY person in the world with cancer. *shrugs*

Be well. Game on.
GM_ODA

Looks to me, and probably everyone else with a brain, that you are in fact belittling His sickness, And that you do know in fact he is sick. There is a lie by you. A rather poor excuse for being a human also. A fact from your own hand, and now you look even worse.
Shadows, my belief in anything is none of your concern. leave religion out of this discussion please.

[ehye_khandee]

He had posted a public message that he was ill and going to hospital, no further details. I sent him a private message with words of encouragement. Yeah, I guess that makes me look just awful that I would send him kindly sentiments huh? He even replied, thanking me. That is why I joined his forum under the conditions offered, and did what I was asked (share my lore, which is linux based). Note, after being blocked from even logging into the forum (banned) I somehow started receiving a barrage of messages to my email from his forum (I had _NOT_ opted into receiving such). THIS is why I suggested he should stop sending me emails, I still have about a half dozen in a folder with full headers too.

I made no such 'belittling' you read into this whole thing the strangest things. I did not mock, nor belittle any illness nor any person. I suggested to a ROLE PLAYING AUDIENCE (who presumably can empathize with a character) that the slogan being debated would NOT wash with a cancer patient. Is that so hard to fathom? I mean, I guess someone unable to empathize might actually ask a cancer patient about Soph.'s slogan, and likely be met with the stance I took above that it is not a 'host of deities venting upon us lowly mortals' but simple biology + carcinagens under non-laboratory conditions. Either way, the point is as noted; Soph.'s philosopy/moral from that ancient greek play is inapplicable in the context under which it was presented; the modern world.

Be well. Game on.
GM_ODA

[SHOVA]

So sad that some people operate under the premise that they are the only person in the world who is right.
Your post earlier, was without question, snarky, and wrong. Defending it again and again makes you look like an ass. Go ahead, I am sure there are a few more community members you can show your true nature to. You are right about one thing, It is a popularity contest, and your loosing.

[shadowsallaround]

Otay Otay. Me not make religion talk you shmacker ****** wacker tackers.

Modifié par shadowsallaround, 15 octobre 2011 - 12:19 .

[omen_shepperd]

Most people avoid certain topics that are guaranteed to ignite a flame war. Some things are best left untouched.

[SHOVA]

shadowsallaround wrote...

Otay Otay. Me not make religion talk you shmacker ****** wacker tackers.

who are you calling a ******?

Seriously, do not call people names. it starts flame wars.
And, please drop the "in character" way of posting. your not good at it.
In answer to your earlier question, perhaps a page or 2 back...
I am mature enough to forgive you.
I am not stupid enough to trust you.

[shadowsallaround]

That's all I needed to hear. Thank you.

[Fatal Assassin]

shadowsallaround wrote...

You are right except for the part of me doing it on purpose for the thrill of it. I have experienced harsh treatment back in the earlier days of these servers and it has led me to be relentless. In the real world you all would be surprised at how I really am. In that real world out there, I truly treat people the way I would want to be treated.

What makes you think interacting with someone online is any less real than face to face? It's true you may feel more freedom to say what you truly wish online due to the "anonymity" of the online dynamic, however that does not mean that you might not want to say those things to someone you were in the same room with. It's just that you feel more free to do so hiding behing your computer. And THAT is what makes you not ok in the least! You will be lucky if the only consequence you recieve from your actions is a ban from some video game servers.