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[sinfurnooh]

I'm interested on the success of DA2. I'm assuming its good because its multiplatform but by how much so far? Is it overshadowing origins?

        Personal RPG rant

       As a WoW player (don't get turned off by that just yet), i came into DA Origins instantly noticing similar interface structure, lackluster crafting, and clunky combat. Dragon age Origins gave me something other games couldn't provide and that was a great story, interesting and realistic companions that you could personally effect their attitude and outlook on life by hardening them by dialogue or personal quests. It was a breath of fresh air, (something WoW couldn't ever provide) and something different that i have never experienced. Portal (yes ****ing robots) and Dragonage Origins really knew how to bring their characters to life. I cared about characters other then my own, and i'd get the feeling they cared about me and my actions or strongly disagree with me.

      After WoW, Fallout New Vegas became the next hit in October. I loved the dialogue and the different ways i could handle quests and situations. Ways that wern't obvious. The dialogue in Fallout New Vegas and Origins made me feel like customizing my character was never over. Everything i did, and what i thought my character would handle a situation, was done to give me a feeling of personalized realism that other games couldn't provide.

     Going from all that, to the DA2 demo. I disaproved of the dialogue-wheel system. I could not customize what i wanted to say. I could not see my tone of voice complicating a situation enough except for making a NPC irritated by my sarcasm or make me feel like my character was being a tough guy. Choosing different types of the tone-dialogue- wheel made me feel detatched if i drifted away from the same dialogue option selected(especially if it was the same conversation). I didn't like it. Going from Origins/Fallout new vegas to this game, i believe, would not work for me so i did not buy it even though i loved Origins for its stronger RPG elements.

    Playing the demo, it constantly threw enemies at me who looked exactly the same. In Fallout New Vegas, every enemy seemed to have a story, a different look or personality. If the enemy in games arn't interesting enough and feel extremly weak it turns me off on that game. I can understand some people will like being batman and killing all the bad guys who have the exact same badguy costume and no personality what so ever but there are other ways you can make me feel more like a badass then chucking the same guy at me over and over. Maybe it was decided to do this because of how smooth the combat was, i don't know, but i feel that chucking a million enemies at me who looked exactly the same was a really low budget,  uncreative, old-fashioned, and uninspiring way to go. 

 I know it was only the DA2 demo (which is what made me cancel my preorder because of the dialogue wheel and the qaulity of my enemies) but from what i'm hearing about the game the demo pretty much wrapped up on what i assumed the game would be. I did not know the game would be copy pasted areas and that to me is even more disapointing. I do not mind a linear game at all, but when its the same area over and over...If someone asked me whats the worst thing a Linear game could do to turn me off it would be that.

      I feel like you guys (Bioware) know how to make a good RPG and if you read this your probably thinking duh, duh, no ****, so why don't you make one? If you guys are as good as baulders gate and are as good as what people used to say, then why be afraid of failure? You don't need to rely on reviews and hide a 8.5 review given by IGN, or sequels from decent games that everyone will assume will be better then the first. Unless your game is bad that is. Stop making bad games.  EA didn't make the bad game, you did. I'm sure this game was a sucess and i know many people like it for what it is--or what it could have been, but your DLC qaulity and your game qaulity continue to slip it will eventually impact your future games as well as your reputation as a good game developer.
 

[djackson75]

The game has been out for less than a week, and actually just came out today overseas.. We're not going to have any legit data for at least another week on initial sales.

[The Corporate]

Nah it's tanked, bad. Check out its listings on the Amazon bestsellers list. The best selling version is ranked at 16th (LOL) on its opening weekend, the rest aren't even in the top 20. PS3 is 29th, and by tomorrow the PC version will have been edged out of the top 50 from its absolutely woeful position of 49th right now.

tl;dr, this game is bombing, hard. Heads will roll, and for good reason. I wouldn't be surprised if a loss was on the cards.

http://www.amazon.co...lers/videogames

Modifié par The Corporate, 12 mars 2011 - 02:43 .

[The Corporate]

Double post.

Modifié par The Corporate, 12 mars 2011 - 02:41 .

[Melness]

Going from all that, to the DA2 demo. I disaproved of the dialogue-wheel system. I could not customize what i wanted to say. I could not see my tone of voice complicating a situation enough except for making a NPC irritated by my sarcasm or make me feel like my character was being a tough guy. Choosing different types of the tone-dialogue- wheel made me feel detatched if i drifted away from the same dialogue option selected(especially if it was the same conversation). I didn't like it. Going from Origins/Fallout new vegas to this game, i believe, would not work for me so i did not buy it even though i loved Origins for its stronger RPG elements.

The wheel is, pretty much, a change in the presentation of dialogue choices, not dialogue. While its understandable that you want to know what exactly you're saying, the experience isn't the much different than DA:O, simply because the philosphy behind the writting hasn't changed, at all.

[Legbiter]

Too long. Executive summary?

[OSUfan12121]

Going by amazon numbers is no indication of how a game is doing. I no vurtaully no people that buy new games from amazon when you can pick them up at best buy or gamestop the day of.

[Merced652]

Melness wrote...

Going from all that, to the DA2 demo. I disaproved of the dialogue-wheel system. I could not customize what i wanted to say. I could not see my tone of voice complicating a situation enough except for making a NPC irritated by my sarcasm or make me feel like my character was being a tough guy. Choosing different types of the tone-dialogue- wheel made me feel detatched if i drifted away from the same dialogue option selected(especially if it was the same conversation). I didn't like it. Going from Origins/Fallout new vegas to this game, i believe, would not work for me so i did not buy it even though i loved Origins for its stronger RPG elements.

The wheel is, pretty much, a change in the presentation of dialogue choices, not dialogue. While its understandable that you want to know what exactly you're saying, the experience isn't the much different than DA:O, simply because the philosphy behind the writting hasn't changed, at all.

How about those times where you are in a dialogue cutscene type thing (as in not in combat or in exploration mode) and your character says something that you didn't choose for them to say?

[djackson75]

The Corporate wrote...

Nah it's tanked, bad. Check out its listings on the Amazon bestsellers list. The best selling version is ranked at 16th (LOL) on its opening weekend, the rest aren't even in the top 20. PS3 is 29th, and by tomorrow the PC version will have been edged out of the top 50 from its absolutely woeful position of 49th right now.

tl;dr, this game is bombing, hard. Heads will roll, and for good reason. I wouldn't be surprised if a loss was on the cards.

http://www.amazon.co...lers/videogames

To be fair, the stuff that's ranked above it (except Scooby Doo, I don't get that one), is stuff you'd figure would be... Just Dance 2, Pokemon, COD, Halo, Killzone, the 3DS system, the PS3 System, Wii Fit.... that's all stuff I'm not shocked to see ranked higher. 

[Cakeface]

http://www.vgchartz.....php?date=40608

Dragon age 2 got 360k preorders on both consoles combined in America only, origins had 250k preorders on xbox pc and ps3 combined.. so it can't be that bad!

Modifié par Cakeface, 12 mars 2011 - 03:05 .

[djackson75]

Cakeface wrote...

http://www.vgchartz.....php?date=40608

Dragon age 2 got 360k preorders on both consoles combined in America only, origins had 250k preorders on xbox pc and ps3 combined.. so it can't be that bad!

Your screen name is a lie.

[The Corporate]

djackson75 wrote...

The Corporate wrote...

Nah it's tanked, bad. Check out its listings on the Amazon bestsellers list. The best selling version is ranked at 16th (LOL) on its opening weekend, the rest aren't even in the top 20. PS3 is 29th, and by tomorrow the PC version will have been edged out of the top 50 from its absolutely woeful position of 49th right now.

tl;dr, this game is bombing, hard. Heads will roll, and for good reason. I wouldn't be surprised if a loss was on the cards.

http://www.amazon.co...lers/videogames

To be fair, the stuff that's ranked above it (except Scooby Doo, I don't get that one), is stuff you'd figure would be... Just Dance 2, Pokemon, COD, Halo, Killzone, the 3DS system, the PS3 System, Wii Fit.... that's all stuff I'm not shocked to see ranked higher. 

You have to remember that this is an AAA title. It was expected to sell 4.5million, BioWare themselves said they were targetting 10million. It inevitably had one of the biggest marketing budgets of any release this year. It should, and would if it was a well-received game, be putting all three versions well within the top 10, and they should stay there for a fortnight at least.

What we have instead is a release that never made the top 5. It hasn't even finished its first week and already one version is minutes away from dropping out of the top 50. They'll be lucky if they reach just 1million. This, for an AAA title, is a flop so disastrous that it'll damage BioWare's reputation for a long, long time, and I'd be surprised if the project leads will be allowed near another game again.

Modifié par The Corporate, 12 mars 2011 - 03:09 .

[Froody42]

Cakeface wrote...

http://www.vgchartz.....php?date=40608

Dragon age 2 got 360k preorders on both consoles combined in America only, origins had 250k preorders on xbox pc and ps3 combined.. so it can't be that bad!

DA II had a much better incentive to preorder, though. Also, DA:O had now built a name for the franchise, so there were now people who preordered simply because it's a Dragon Age game.

[Onassi75]

Corporate, unless I'm wrong, the figures you're quoting from Amazon are only tabulating orders *made from Amazon.* I certainly didn't order from Amazon, so does my Steam order not count? Given the emergence of stores like Steam, I would think that most orders are made through mediums such as those and not so much mediums such as Amazon...To make a fair comparison I think we'd need the tabulation from all of those types of sites.

[The Corporate]

Onassi75 wrote...

Corporate, unless I'm wrong, the figures you're quoting from Amazon are only tabulating orders *made from Amazon.* I certainly didn't order from Amazon, so does my Steam order not count? Given the emergence of stores like Steam, I would think that most orders are made through mediums such as those and not so much mediums such as Amazon...To make a fair comparison I think we'd need the tabulation from all of those types of sites.

Well firstly, it doesn't matter whether Amazon is a big seller of games or not - unless there's a reason to believe that people who buy there have significantly different purchasing preferences from the rest of the population we can assume those sales stats can be replicated across the board.

Secondly, Amazon is a massive seller of games. Huge. Probably the biggest on the internet.

[djackson75]

Onassi75 wrote...

Corporate, unless I'm wrong, the figures you're quoting from Amazon are only tabulating orders *made from Amazon.* I certainly didn't order from Amazon, so does my Steam order not count? Given the emergence of stores like Steam, I would think that most orders are made through mediums such as those and not so much mediums such as Amazon...To make a fair comparison I think we'd need the tabulation from all of those types of sites.

Right.. I don't think the Amazon numbers are the be all end all.. the sales numbers will come out next week... But in reality I would look at the sales numbers a month or two from now..

This game has a chance to the the video game equivelant of "The Watchmen" movie.... lots of advertising.. a great opening weekend, and then death.

Or it could go on to be a huge superhit, thereby smacking every hater on this board in the face, ensuring in DA 3, you can step through a mirror into the ME world.... with Shepard and Hawke fighting side by side Devil May Cry style.

[Melness]

Merced652 wrote...

Melness wrote...

Going from all that, to the DA2 demo. I disaproved of the dialogue-wheel system. I could not customize what i wanted to say. I could not see my tone of voice complicating a situation enough except for making a NPC irritated by my sarcasm or make me feel like my character was being a tough guy. Choosing different types of the tone-dialogue- wheel made me feel detatched if i drifted away from the same dialogue option selected(especially if it was the same conversation). I didn't like it. Going from Origins/Fallout new vegas to this game, i believe, would not work for me so i did not buy it even though i loved Origins for its stronger RPG elements.

The wheel is, pretty much, a change in the presentation of dialogue choices, not dialogue. While its understandable that you want to know what exactly you're saying, the experience isn't the much different than DA:O, simply because the philosphy behind the writting hasn't changed, at all.

How about those times where you are in a dialogue cutscene type thing (as in not in combat or in exploration mode) and your character says something that you didn't choose for them to say?

Since the philosophy hasn't changed, the writers wouldn't do it any differently if only you could see exactly what Hawke would say.

Therefore, going back to the tree based system, you would read and choose another intonation. This is the only fault of the wheel, but its isn't because of the tone icons or the voice over.

[djackson75]

The Corporate wrote...


Secondly, Amazon is a massive seller of games. Huge. Probably the biggest on the internet.

That's why like I said, I'm not shocked to see the stuff that is ranked higher, be where they are... The COD's and Halo's are always going to sell more IMO... 

I don't know the answer, but if someone does help me out... where did Mass Effect 2 peak at on the Amazon list? Where was it on the eve of it's launch?

[Vena_86]

I would be more interested in how many sales are from preorders and general marketing hype and how many sales are based on good reviews and popularity.
Honestly I think EA and BioWare shot them selfs in the foot. DA2 might sell great because of it's name and marketing, but will it work the next time? Even if DA3 will be fantastic accross the board, DA2 will damage DA3s sales due to the large number of people who feel like they have been missled and let down.
BioWare has gone from making legendary RPGs that become landmarks in gaming culture to making solid but short lived games.

[Bootsykk]

The Corporate wrote...

Nah it's tanked, bad. Check out its listings on the Amazon bestsellers list. The best selling version is ranked at 16th (LOL) on its opening weekend, the rest aren't even in the top 20. PS3 is 29th, and by tomorrow the PC version will have been edged out of the top 50 from its absolutely woeful position of 49th right now.

tl;dr, this game is bombing, hard. Heads will roll, and for good reason. I wouldn't be surprised if a loss was on the cards.

http://www.amazon.co...lers/videogames

This pissed me off. Are you f*cking joking? There are 35 reviews, all of which are probably from the people who pre-ordered and are now mad because it's not exactly how they wanted it. The masses probably aren't even FINISHED yet. Wait until after spring break, at very least.

35 is barely anything. Once it gets to at least 200, I'll start thinking about what that review means.


PS: obviously, you also don't know what "tanking" means. "Tanking" suggests plummeting reviews, 2 stars or less. It's at 3 1/2.

Modifié par Juneya, 12 mars 2011 - 03:45 .

[The Corporate]

Juneya wrote...

The Corporate wrote...

Nah it's tanked, bad. Check out its listings on the Amazon bestsellers list. The best selling version is ranked at 16th (LOL) on its opening weekend, the rest aren't even in the top 20. PS3 is 29th, and by tomorrow the PC version will have been edged out of the top 50 from its absolutely woeful position of 49th right now.

tl;dr, this game is bombing, hard. Heads will roll, and for good reason. I wouldn't be surprised if a loss was on the cards.

http://www.amazon.co...lers/videogames

This pissed me off. Are you f*cking joking? There are 35 reviews, all of which are probably from the people who pre-ordered and are now mad because it's not exactly how they wanted it. The masses probably aren't even FINISHED yet. Wait until after spring break, at very least.

35 is barely anything. Once it gets to at least 200, I'll start thinking about what that review means.


PS: obviously, you also don't know what "tanking" means. "Tanking" suggests plummeting reviews, 2 stars or less. It's at 3 1/2.

Your post makes bugger all sense in relation to mine. I think you quoted the wrong person?

[Ascorius]

Juneya wrote...

The Corporate wrote...

Nah it's tanked, bad. Check out its listings on the Amazon bestsellers list. The best selling version is ranked at 16th (LOL) on its opening weekend, the rest aren't even in the top 20. PS3 is 29th, and by tomorrow the PC version will have been edged out of the top 50 from its absolutely woeful position of 49th right now.

tl;dr, this game is bombing, hard. Heads will roll, and for good reason. I wouldn't be surprised if a loss was on the cards.

http://www.amazon.co...lers/videogames

This pissed me off. Are you f*cking joking? There are 35 reviews, all of which are probably from the people who pre-ordered and are now mad because it's not exactly how they wanted it. The masses probably aren't even FINISHED yet. Wait until after spring break, at very least.

35 is barely anything. Once it gets to at least 200, I'll start thinking about what that review means.


PS: obviously, you also don't know what "tanking" means. "Tanking" suggests plummeting reviews, 2 stars or less. It's at 3 1/2.

I think he is referring to sales numbers and not the reviews on amazon.

[seren2]

3.2 million copies of DAO 
1.9 million copies of DA2 for PC alone
1.8 million copies of ME. 
1million plus for ME2  on the PC release only. Don't know for the Xbox and so on.
2.1 million for ME3 and counting....

Baldur's Gate 5 million
BG 2 over 2 million not counting addons and fan made mods. over 5000 differnt mods listed so far.
Planetscape Torment over 2 million copies sold. (Black Isle Studios)

NWN sold 2 million with over 4000 mods listed in the NWN vault at one time.
NWN2 did almost as well. (Obsidion)

For video games the vast majority of Bioware games have done extremely well.

Modifié par seren2, 08 juillet 2012 - 02:05 .

[wsandista]

Damn these resurrected threads!

[wowpwnslol]

Well, DA2 was a console game, designed for kiddies to get their jollies, so it's not a surprise it sold less on a more mature PC platform. They should make DA3 extremely difficult, frustrating and PC only to weed out the RPG noobs, so that real gamers can enjoy the real Bioware that brought us awesome RPG titles in the past. Of course with EA behind them, it's not possible, so get used to dumbed down dialogues, anime combat and lack of challenge,