"That's my thoughts as well!! Also remember when Varric tells the Seeker that someone was sent with the Champion "in a manner of speaking" after the Witch of the Wilds helped him get out of Lothering? I'm really starting to think Sandal is working FOR her."
I wonder what part Bodhain plays in all this ? Is he just just the merchant-father figure we all have to come and love? Or is he the vessel Sandal's guardian? Or is this just BIO playing with us?
R00fles!
Sandal's PROPHECY!
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#77
Posté 13 mars 2011 - 07:12
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asindre wrote...
There are no gods that rule beside the maker.Harorrd wrote...
I dont think he is the maker, but he could perhaps be one of the gods that rule beside him?
"there is but one god, and He is our Maker" - Chant of light
Yeah, that was something I thought was interesting, that they outright state "no other gods"
#78
Posté 14 mars 2011 - 04:19
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I personally doubt that Sandal is the maker or an old god. I'm under the impression that he actually is a dwarf that practices Magic. Hell, he maybe a dreamer. The rarity of that is outstanding as it is. Because he is a 'savant' he may understand magic on such a deep, personal level that he has knowledge beyond what we know of the story. And what knowledge he has gained, maybe because of his connection with the Fade. As for his dreamy, disconnection whenever you speak with him, I am going to put a guess out there and suggest it is because he is simultaneously living within the Fade and our world.
I really do think Sandal is a Dreamer, but far more outstanding.
I really do think Sandal is a Dreamer, but far more outstanding.
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 04:42
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Brockololly wrote...
"One day the magic will come back. all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see" [/b]
From what i gather SOMEBODY COMING back , and when he here there going to be hell to pay
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 04:50
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MerchantGOL wrote...
He = The Maker?
THAT'S make sense.
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 05:03
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anyone have a video of this up?
Interesting. Perhaps one of the elf gods will come back their immortal right? so maybe they bring magic back to their people. Then it's the circle,chantry, and elves going all out on each other.
While the Qunari just sit back and laugh.
Interesting. Perhaps one of the elf gods will come back their immortal right? so maybe they bring magic back to their people. Then it's the circle,chantry, and elves going all out on each other.
While the Qunari just sit back and laugh.
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 05:07
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"One day the magic will come back. all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see." -sandal
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 05:17
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Volourn wrote...
"That's my thoughts as well!! Also remember when Varric tells the Seeker that someone was sent with the Champion "in a manner of speaking" after the Witch of the Wilds helped him get out of Lothering? I'm really starting to think Sandal is working FOR her."
I wonder what part Bodhain plays in all this ? Is he just just the merchant-father figure we all have to come and love? Or is he the vessel Sandal's guardian? Or is this just BIO playing with us?
R00fles!
I thought the "person" Flemeth sent with them was Flemeth herself in the amulet?
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 05:19
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so sandal says
"One day the magic will come back. all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see"
i was speculating perhaps he is infact a god (or a messenger of a god).
merril speaks of the elven gods, 8 gods who were tricked and banished by the dread wolf (flemeth who can turn into a dragon) who can walk amongst both.
now the archdemons are the old gods, but there are only 7, leaving the 8th, which could leads me to think it could be hiding? (in sandal?).
his comment about a scary lady watching him also possibly flemeth, and if flemeth did have an interest in him and shes the dread wolf....
now looking back...
The old gods helped the tevinter by teaching them magic, which means connecting them to the fade so they could free them, then the darkspawn show up and corrupt an old god, which lead to a war with the tevinter imperium. Then andraste shows up shortly after to try and finish the job? then she fails but somehow everyone even the tevinters adopt the chantry teachings?
The Chantry is designed to restrict mages with the circle/templar, this would hinder the use and power of mages, which would stop the old gods getting back from the fade, also the chantry was created by andraste the "so called prophet", hmm the dread wolf trickery perhaps http://dragonage.wik...e_True_Prophet?
also "To the Imperium, Andraste was an opportunist, a barbarian taking advantage of their weakness."
and flemeth lives in fereldan in the "barbaric" regions, "The people she led in her campaign were the barbaric ancestors of the Fereldans."
going back to what sandal says. "One day the magic will come back. all of it. Everyone will be just like they were." And the end of Dragon age 2 when the chantry was blown up, which was done by Anders who is possessed by a spirit of the fade, which even for anders is tad extreme, the fade part of him told him (well they are merged) to do it. thus starting to free the mages and bring magic back into the world.
another thing, the darkspawn seem to go hunting for old gods and taint them, as if that is their only goal then going to the surface. There is a link here with flemeth as morrigan learnt from flemeth's grimore and managed to get a child with darkspawn "taint".
perhaps she was looking for a cure for the darkspawn corruption, and thats why shes running from flemeth because darkspawn was her creation?
Anyway these are just speculations but i cant help think flemeth, dread wolf, andraste/chantry, magic, old gods, and sandal are all connected somehow.
"One day the magic will come back. all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see"
i was speculating perhaps he is infact a god (or a messenger of a god).
merril speaks of the elven gods, 8 gods who were tricked and banished by the dread wolf (flemeth who can turn into a dragon) who can walk amongst both.
now the archdemons are the old gods, but there are only 7, leaving the 8th, which could leads me to think it could be hiding? (in sandal?).
his comment about a scary lady watching him also possibly flemeth, and if flemeth did have an interest in him and shes the dread wolf....
now looking back...
The old gods helped the tevinter by teaching them magic, which means connecting them to the fade so they could free them, then the darkspawn show up and corrupt an old god, which lead to a war with the tevinter imperium. Then andraste shows up shortly after to try and finish the job? then she fails but somehow everyone even the tevinters adopt the chantry teachings?
The Chantry is designed to restrict mages with the circle/templar, this would hinder the use and power of mages, which would stop the old gods getting back from the fade, also the chantry was created by andraste the "so called prophet", hmm the dread wolf trickery perhaps http://dragonage.wik...e_True_Prophet?
also "To the Imperium, Andraste was an opportunist, a barbarian taking advantage of their weakness."
and flemeth lives in fereldan in the "barbaric" regions, "The people she led in her campaign were the barbaric ancestors of the Fereldans."
going back to what sandal says. "One day the magic will come back. all of it. Everyone will be just like they were." And the end of Dragon age 2 when the chantry was blown up, which was done by Anders who is possessed by a spirit of the fade, which even for anders is tad extreme, the fade part of him told him (well they are merged) to do it. thus starting to free the mages and bring magic back into the world.
another thing, the darkspawn seem to go hunting for old gods and taint them, as if that is their only goal then going to the surface. There is a link here with flemeth as morrigan learnt from flemeth's grimore and managed to get a child with darkspawn "taint".
perhaps she was looking for a cure for the darkspawn corruption, and thats why shes running from flemeth because darkspawn was her creation?
Anyway these are just speculations but i cant help think flemeth, dread wolf, andraste/chantry, magic, old gods, and sandal are all connected somehow.
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 05:30
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REALLY ! He says this!!. Hmmmmm maybe there is something to what the Dalish say. If you pay attention in DA2 Merrill says that all her people had the gift once. And you hear through the gossip in the town that there are many more mages being born than there used to be. Interesting....Brockololly wrote...
When you've got Sandal at Hawke's estate, keep clicking on him. Like over and over again.
Eventually he busts out the big boy vocabulary and sounds like he prophesizes the "change" that Morrigan mentions in Witch Hunt and Flemeth in DA2. Old God Baby returning, anyone?
"One day the magic will come back. all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see"
It also makes you think about the deep roads.... Not statues of paragons or ancestors. They weren't like dwarves at all.
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 05:40
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Yeh, someone brought it up in another thread. It does sound like it might refer to the OGB and/or an actual Old God perhaps. Sandal is again once more the object of great curiosity. At some point he gave my mage a staff that I think HE was actually using. Darn it, I can't remember when I got it - my brain's still addled from my all-nighter. I'm almost convinced that he is some sort of dwarf-mage aberration.
Speaking of which, there were the entries related to the primordial thaig - some entry about a staff or something that was left behind (?). Whatever it was, it sounded like perhaps there might have been some sort of magic use at one point, but maybe I'm insane because I stayed up until 4 AM trying to finish the game (glad I did though, because tonight I can sleep like the dead
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Speaking of which, there were the entries related to the primordial thaig - some entry about a staff or something that was left behind (?). Whatever it was, it sounded like perhaps there might have been some sort of magic use at one point, but maybe I'm insane because I stayed up until 4 AM trying to finish the game (glad I did though, because tonight I can sleep like the dead
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 05:48
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android654 wrote...
It also makes you think about the deep roads.... Not statues of paragons or ancestors. They weren't like dwarves at all.
this could be a thaig that existed before the old gods were trapped? and because the old gods were trapped underground. the dwarves may have had involvement with it, which could have connection to why they dont have magic or.... are no longer suspectable to magic....
either way there must have been a reason for the dwarves to change and adopt there current system of paragons.
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 06:02
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Actually, now that I think about it, Bodahn found Sandal by himself in the middle of nowhere practically. Maybe he's from a line of dwarves descending from those who lived in these primordial thaigs or something...gah, now I'm going to be stuck wondering about this for a long time. *sigh*.
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 06:10
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AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Actually, now that I think about it, Bodahn found Sandal by himself in the middle of nowhere practically. Maybe he's from a line of dwarves descending from those who lived in these primordial thaigs or something...gah, now I'm going to be stuck wondering about this for a long time. *sigh*.
I wouldn't be surprised if somehow that Lyrium idol or whatever tied into the Old Gods, which connects to the Wardens, which connects to Flemeth/Morrigan in DA3 somehow.
Cause didn't Bartrand say he heard something calling out to him when he was under the idol's influence? I was thinking that was something like the Call of the Old Gods to the darkspawn. And then you had Howe searching for that Thaig after hearing of the idol.
Actually, given how Sandal seems to be headed to Orlais, I wonder if Kal Sharok plays a role in this somehow. If you click on the one Nexus Golem or whatever in that one dungeon, he'll say something like The Stone lives underneath Orlais - which I'm pretty sure is referencing Kal Sharok.
Plus in Orlais you've got the aptly named "Urthemiel Plateau" for any Old God Baby stuff to go down:wizard:
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 06:16
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Enchantment!Corrupted Robots wrote...
..Enchantment?
Anyway Sandal rocks that is all:wizard:.
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 06:23
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Yeah I had a feeling that the raw Lyrium Idol was entombing an Old God. But what freaks me out is that I let Varric keep that chunk of it from Bartrand's Haunted Mansion.Brockololly wrote...
AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Actually, now that I think about it, Bodahn found Sandal by himself in the middle of nowhere practically. Maybe he's from a line of dwarves descending from those who lived in these primordial thaigs or something...gah, now I'm going to be stuck wondering about this for a long time. *sigh*.
I wouldn't be surprised if somehow that Lyrium idol or whatever tied into the Old Gods, which connects to the Wardens, which connects to Flemeth/Morrigan in DA3 somehow.
Cause didn't Bartrand say he heard something calling out to him when he was under the idol's influence? I was thinking that was something like the Call of the Old Gods to the darkspawn. And then you had Howe searching for that Thaig after hearing of the idol.
Actually, given how Sandal seems to be headed to Orlais, I wonder if Kal Sharok plays a role in this somehow. If you click on the one Nexus Golem or whatever in that one dungeon, he'll say something like The Stone lives underneath Orlais - which I'm pretty sure is referencing Kal Sharok.
Plus in Orlais you've got the aptly named "Urthemiel Plateau" for any Old God Baby stuff to go down:wizard:
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 06:34
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Esbatty wrote...
Yeah I had a feeling that the raw Lyrium Idol was entombing an Old God. But what freaks me out is that I let Varric keep that chunk of it from Bartrand's Haunted Mansion.Brockololly wrote...
AtreiyaN7 wrote...
Actually, now that I think about it, Bodahn found Sandal by himself in the middle of nowhere practically. Maybe he's from a line of dwarves descending from those who lived in these primordial thaigs or something...gah, now I'm going to be stuck wondering about this for a long time. *sigh*.
I wouldn't be surprised if somehow that Lyrium idol or whatever tied into the Old Gods, which connects to the Wardens, which connects to Flemeth/Morrigan in DA3 somehow.
Cause didn't Bartrand say he heard something calling out to him when he was under the idol's influence? I was thinking that was something like the Call of the Old Gods to the darkspawn. And then you had Howe searching for that Thaig after hearing of the idol.
Actually, given how Sandal seems to be headed to Orlais, I wonder if Kal Sharok plays a role in this somehow. If you click on the one Nexus Golem or whatever in that one dungeon, he'll say something like The Stone lives underneath Orlais - which I'm pretty sure is referencing Kal Sharok.
Plus in Orlais you've got the aptly named "Urthemiel Plateau" for any Old God Baby stuff to go down:wizard:
Ah, interesting point about Orlais, Kal Sharok and the lyrium idol. Hmm, maybe there's more than one of those idols or similar artifacts around? That other comment remindsd me that I rather enjoyed the haunted mansion, heh. Varric was acting so weird towards the end that I was worried even a small piece of it would drive him insane. Oh well, ill-advised or not, I let him keep it. Now I'm thinking that I should've gone with the option to take it back to Sandal and have him use it for crafting - heh - maybe in my next run.
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 09:03
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I also found it strange that Sandal was there ALONE just before the arch demon battle, and the end battle in DA2. something is up with him...
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terjesolgard wrote...
I also found it strange that Sandal was there ALONE just before the arch demon battle, and the end battle in DA2. something is up with him...
Let's not forget the mountain of bodies around him, in both cases either.
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Just me who has a feeling that the next game will take place in Orlais?
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 11:53
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I don't see how the Old Gods (not Archdemons btw) represent the 7 deadly sins at all.ragnaven wrote...
It was in there, and it was creepy, almost as creepy as the old lady. I let the dog sleep with Sandal after that. Also yeah the extended texts tend to pull away from the chantry line, there are 7 archdemons each one is basically one of the seven deadly sins. Tervinter worshipped them in the old days. Me I think the darkspawn were Tervinter slaves altered by blood magic to be mindless shock troops, only the dragons worked through the Tervinter magisters and tricked them into doing it.
So they ended up breading an army that the Archdemons could control to rule the world once more, but that is just my thoughts on that.
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hmm theres a few things we could assume.
that andraste is flemeth, (flemeth lives and teaches(,regarded high by) chasind shaman/andraste used the barbarians of ferelden for her war.
Andraste is seen as a oppurtunist and just a extraordinarily powerful mage not really maker's chosen/Flemeth is sly and extraordinarily powerful mage.
the elven gods were tricked and trapped by the dread wolf who could walk amongst both elven gods and the forgotten ones/the old gods are dragons, and flemeth can turn into a dragon, the old gods are the forgotten ones?
elves (worshipped the elven pantheons) was invaded and enslaved by Tevinter humans (worshipped old gods)
that andraste is flemeth, (flemeth lives and teaches(,regarded high by) chasind shaman/andraste used the barbarians of ferelden for her war.
Andraste is seen as a oppurtunist and just a extraordinarily powerful mage not really maker's chosen/Flemeth is sly and extraordinarily powerful mage.
the elven gods were tricked and trapped by the dread wolf who could walk amongst both elven gods and the forgotten ones/the old gods are dragons, and flemeth can turn into a dragon, the old gods are the forgotten ones?
elves (worshipped the elven pantheons) was invaded and enslaved by Tevinter humans (worshipped old gods)
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 11:54
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Not really.Haristo wrote...
MerchantGOL wrote...
He = The Maker?
THAT'S make sense.
The Maker is a god and you can't "rise" much further than that.
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Posté 14 mars 2011 - 12:16
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android654 wrote...
atheelogos wrote...
REALLY ! He says this!!. Hmmmmm maybe there is something to what the Dalish say. If you pay attention in DA2 Merrill says that all her people had the gift once. And you hear through the gossip in the town that there are many more mages being born than there used to be. Interesting....Brockololly wrote...
When you've got Sandal at Hawke's estate, keep clicking on him. Like over and over again.
Eventually he busts out the big boy vocabulary and sounds like he prophesizes the "change" that Morrigan mentions in Witch Hunt and Flemeth in DA2. Old God Baby returning, anyone?
"One day the magic will come back. all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see"
It also makes you think about the deep roads.... Not statues of paragons or ancestors. They weren't like dwarves at all.
I think that might have been the ruins of Arlathan, not a dwarven Thaig.
Think about it, its deeper than anybody had ever gone before, and when humans first game to Thedas they enslaved the elves and "destroyed" Arlathan by sinking it into the earth. And in Witch Hunt they revealed that for a time the elves stayed in the deep roads.
