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[gombie]

kal sarok is under orlais i think. if the next dragon age was in tevinter emperium it would answer alot of questions, since its the only civilisation that predates the maker. And something must have happened to make magic so dangerous too

Modifié par gombie, 15 mars 2011 - 01:05 .

[Arppis]

I'm willing to bet that Felemeth is Andraste.

[lost lupus]

my "theory" is not full conceived but:

the codex hints the corrupted thiag was made with magic
we know from the elves that though you can remove a demon from a living host it scar's/damages the mind
we know tha tivinter traded with the dwarves and seemed to get on quite well
we know that tivinter mage full entered the fade including his physically body
this required alot of lyrium and tons of slaves

perhaps the reason their were no anesters in the thaig was that it was in fact made by tivinter mages to attempt to replicate the experiment?
this time going to the source of lyruim? and using casteless dwarf's as blood batteries
as a result of what happend sandel came to be possed by a very very powerful fade spirit
it was eventually removed and bound to that idol
then defeated in the fade
but it was so powerfull traces of it linger in the idol

as a result of the scaring maybe as well as distroying sandels mind it imbued him with abilties

Modifié par lost lupus, 15 mars 2011 - 01:41 .

[GreenIronFist]

I thought that dialogue was really cool in a creepy kind of way. I'm glad they decided to go this route with Sandal.

[iTofu]

Brockololly wrote...

"One day the magic will come back. all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see"

"Ambiguous rubbish. It could mean anything. I can do it too: The sun grows dark, but lo! Here comes the dawn!" -Jowan (9:30 Dragon)

Modifié par iTofu, 15 mars 2011 - 03:15 .

[armagite]

one note however to the comment that points to that Sandel might be a mage. When you talk to him in the deeproads after finding him.. He does say "Not enchantment" when you ask about the big crystal ogre.

[madisoncb15]

"One day the magic will come back. all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see"

Personally, I think that leads to the Maker. "The shadows will part and the skies will open wide" almost makes a reference to the christian belief in their god rising/coming back to Earth. That prophecy leading to the Maker coming back almost has to be it

[Parrk]

Sandal is a part of a crack team of spectral special agents. His "partner" is Flemmeth.

In both games thus far Flemmeth and Sandal have worked together to ensure the success of our hero. Flemmeth saves them when they are weak and puts them on the road to greatness. Sandal watches quietly and aids them towards the end of their journey.

At the end of 2 we learn that BOTH our heroes are unaccounted for, and that that is NOT a coincidence.

DA4 will feature a team of companions that are actually our first three heroes!

I can't wait to have those 4 hot lesbian rogues on one team!

[Kimarous]

When he rises, everyone will see.

Now very... Nostradamus. That could mean any number of things. The god baby? The Maker? The next Archdemon? The Architect? The First Warden? He might even be referring to Hawke for all we know. I'm guessing Hawke.

Everyone will be just as they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide.

Chantry go boom in a "opened sky / parting shadows" kind of way, resulting in a religion vs mage war just like in the days of Andraste. That's my take on that.

One day the magic will come back. All of it.

Rise in mage population plus mage uprising = magic coming back.

Maybe I'm not reading deep enough into this stuff or they're not as foreboding as they seem...

[Pudricks]

Bioware is ripping off the movie Dogma.
Sandal is a god but he's trapped in the retarded body.

[RazorrX]

The thing about the primal thaig - did you catch how the grey wardens are wigged out over it? Hunting it down once they learned about it?

The grey wardens know where the old gods are buried. (The Calling).

The elves along with the dwarves sealed the old gods deep in the earth. (DA:O)

The old gods are not the elven host, those seem to be different. The Old Gods appear to be Paragon Dragons. The skies were dangerous, etc. and the Elves and Dwarves together found a way to seal the Old Gods deep in the earth.

SO perhaps the Primal Thaig is where the ritual took place. The Lyrium idol could very well have been a 'key' or prime ingredient for the ritual.

[RazorrX]

Greenleaf6 wrote...

Bioware is ripping off the movie Dogma.
Sandal is a god but he's trapped in the retarded body.

And as long as my next LI companion is Salma as a stripping angel - I am okay with that.

Modifié par RazorrX, 15 mars 2011 - 07:50 .

[Kenshen]

madisoncb15 wrote...


"One day the magic will come back. all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see"

Personally, I think that leads to the Maker. "The shadows will part and the skies will open wide" almost makes a reference to the christian belief in their god rising/coming back to Earth. That prophecy leading to the Maker coming back almost has to be it

I don't know I think it depends on what kind of powers the god baby will have.  People fear what they don't understand and usually will write it off as divine.   People could very well make the claim that the GB is the maker due to the power it has cause that is the easiest way to explain it.  Just think what people 3000 years ago would think of the world today...they couldn't or better yet say time travel back to there time.  You would be a hero or even a god just by creating fire with a lighter (idea from a movie I can't recall now) or burned at the stake for being a which/warlock.

Question I have and will have to wait to get it answered is will this GB be a savior of the land and people or will it bring the 1000 years of darkness kind.  Uhg this game only created more questions and answered few if any.

[kdarnell]

Suprez30 wrote...

No one talk about the Important thing...What happenned to Allistair face?There's a lot of little thing that annoy me ..  Don't want to make a thread though

Alister isn't the only one to get a makeover, you know. Isabella, Zevren, Leliana, hell, elves in general, all got makeovers. Personally I like Zev's original look better. I think Merril got one too, but I don't remember what she looked like in DAO.

[Hawkamania]

Something else I noticed, is when you go back to Sundermount to do Merrill's 'A New Path' quest in Act 3, if you stop by the same shrine that you used to release Flemeth earlier in the game, Merrill will start a dialogue with you and mention that it's the shrine of 'Mythal', whom she refers to as a she.

Mythal was supposidely the one who's touch calms the God Of Vegeance Elgar'nan according to one of the Codex's put up on the DA wiki. Could Flemeth be Mythal?

[TheRevanchist]

Gaider said in a video interview at PAX that the team would probably never Confirm OR Deny the exsistence of The Maker because Faith cannot exsist without a sense of doubt and religion is based upon Faith...if a god is made real then is it considered Worship rather than Faith. I don't know what this has to do this...but that was his reasonings. He also said the OGB is not canon and never will be canon and if the DR is refused he is never born, honestly people learn to accept it.

The Primeval Thaig is the most interesting thing to me...because the codex entry of that Thaig was very mysterious...basicly it was a detailed report from someone in Orzammar that was investagateing an artifact...another idol in fact...that someone brought back to Orzammar...who was totaly mad and rambleing about the Thaig. The person in charge of this could tell it was of Dwarven make...but was unable to determine what it was made of or how it was made...or really anything else about the item. He spoke to the Shaper of Memories to investigate this to see if such a thing has ever existed in Dwarven History. Despite the fact that The Memories date back all the way to founding of the first Thaig the Shaper was unable to find anything even hinting at such a thing. The person in charge of this investigation was shocked by this...and found the idea that the The Memories might be wrong as troubleing. This report was in turn sealed away by order of a dwarven King durring the Storm Age. Everyone knows that Dwarves have not changed much over the course of their history and have been entrenched in tradition for many ages...since before even the apperence of the Darkspawn...who first appeared in the Deep Roads. The Memories say that there was never such a thing as Darkspawn...and a moment later there was, pouring into the Deep Roads like smoke from seemingly no source. It is clear that...if indeed what Sandel says is not a joke, (which seems alittle too ominus to dismiss but I wish for a video to hear the context of how he says it) then I truly believe the Darkspawn are linked to this mysertious figure "riseing" just like how the Darkspawn rose from the Deep Roads. For all we know this figure could be a being we know absolutly nothing about and have never even heard of.

Let me draw your attention to Ortan Thaig from The Calling. The mysertious Dwarven Prince made a deal with an extreamly powerful demon...one so terrifying the dwarves would have rather been torn to pieces by the Darkspawn, who were in turn hammering on the other side of the doors as they tried to claw their way out, then stay and feel its wrath. If dwarves were immune to magic how did this Prince come into contact with this demon and how was a deal possible? We see in DA2 that possesing none Mages requires a great deal of effort from an outside party to make it possible. So how did this happen if Dwarves were indeed immune to the effects of magic? The Lyrium Idol also draws much curiosity for it does indeed seem to resemble the Song of the Old Gods...however...it seems it is a song only Dwarves can hear...because when Varric commented on hearing singing...Hawke claims he hears nothing even as a mage. However Justice from DA:OA claims that Lyrium always sings anyways because the song from the Lyrium ring was beautiful to him yet when mages dream of Lyrium in the Fade...it sounds sad and depressing to him. He was also the only one able to hear that ring singing. So why can Dwarves...who are supposedly immune to all magical effects...hear somthing only a Fade Spirit has claimed to hear. Was the Lyrium of the The Primeval Thaig unique? probably...considering it is red instead of blue, but I think this cannot be ignored.

Also Kal Sharok was the only dwarven city besides Orzammar to outlast the Blight. Kal Sharok is much deeper underground then Orzammar and is not near any surface entrance known. How did this city survive when totaly cut off from any form of support except from within it's walls? Was Kal Sharok truly just that massive and powerful being the formal capital of the Dwarven Empire? Or was there somthing else to it? The Dwarves of Orzammar say that the Dwarves in Kal Sharaok are different from them because they had to do "desperate" things to survive the Blight...but never elaborate as to what that means.

Considering Sandal was found wandering the Deep Roads...alone...I feel this "rising" he speaks of relates more to all these mysterys of the Dwarves then The Maker or Fen'Harol or The Elven Pantheon or whatever else...however the Old Gods are quite possibly involved...being below the ground themselves. I am sorry for the Wall-o-text...and if you actually kept up with this thanks lol...I am simply pieceing codex entries togeather the best I can to try and formulate a theory.

[Darian Tylmare]

Maybe he speaks about the thing under Kirkwall, there seems to be something powerful down there according to the notes of the 3.

[Flashflame58]

Is there a video of this?

[TheRevanchist]

Indeed should seriously be a video of this

[Mariquis]

I haven't read the whole thread, but is it not possible that 'The Maker' is Fen'Harel. I mean the chantry is (comparatively) new. The elves had many gods long before that, yet Fen'Harel locked them all away. Which made him the only one left. The chant refers to there specifically being only one god, and look at the chaos that this has brought (for those who worshiped the old gods). The elves were enslaved, their lives shortened, and lost most of their history. Merril says they've almost forgotten the names of most of the gods, but they sure know Fen'Harel. Magic was outlawed, so much death and brutality. And now this revolution.

If it is Fen'Harel I think that would be one fantastic trick. Tricking an entire..world (almost? I guess? sort of?) into believing he is the Maker. So when maybe 'when he rises' everyone will see 'that he was fooling them all along'? And without his manipulations in the way the world will return to the way it was (more magical and such).

EDIT: Damn. Started reading the thread going backwards and this was already mentioned! So much for my original thought! 

Modifié par Mariquis, 16 mars 2011 - 07:52 .

[Foolsfolly]

atheelogos wrote...

Brockololly wrote...

When you've got Sandal at Hawke's estate, keep clicking on him. Like over and over again.

Eventually he busts out the big boy vocabulary and sounds like he prophesizes the "change" that Morrigan mentions in Witch Hunt and Flemeth in DA2. Old God Baby returning, anyone?

"One day the magic will come back. all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see"

REALLY ! He says this!!. Hmmmmm maybe there is something to what the Dalish say. If you pay attention in DA2 Merrill says that all her people had the gift once. And you hear through the gossip in the town that there are many more mages being born than there used to be. Interesting....

.....this is interesting.

Of course, the Talkitive Man isn't the best source for true information but still....interesting.

So when is this change going to happen? Because part of my disappointment in DA2 was that all the build up in Witch Hunt and the trailers for DA2 (And even the game itself) went no where. No vast change that Hawke should jump into.

Interesting though. That kid's creepy.

[Deadlysyns]

i dunno if they go with the Maker coming forth to free the world its going to be too much like Christianity for me

[Meltemph]

Brockololly wrote...

When you've got Sandal at Hawke's estate, keep clicking on him. Like over and over again.

Eventually he busts out the big boy vocabulary and sounds like he prophesizes the "change" that Morrigan mentions in Witch Hunt and Flemeth in DA2. Old God Baby returning, anyone?

"One day the magic will come back. all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see"

Ya, I dont think it has anything to do with the Old God Baby and has a hell of a lot more to do with whatever the hell that statue was, how the Primevals exist and how the hell did dwarves seem to do all this crap.  I think the mirrors also have a lot to do with it.  Almost makes you wonder if parts of Thedas was split/broke somehow and the mirrors are links to the parts of Thedas that are now mirrors of the one you are in.  Like thedas is in pieces and its slowly fitting itself back to gether and that "he" is the person who will do just that.

[Supernerd82]

kylecouch wrote...

 He also said the OGB is not canon and never will be canon and if the DR is refused he is never born, honestly people learn to accept it.

 

Well that blows. If that's the case then it seems kind of ridiuclous they'd make it seem so important and keep yanking our chains about it, even having it's own DLC. I understand why they'd make it like that given how many different outcomes there are, for both games now, but making such a big deal out of it seems dishonest almost, especially considering how Morrigan made it sound like OGB was her solution to Flemeth and Flemeth was so important in DA2.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

RazorrX wrote...

The thing about the primal thaig - did you catch how the grey wardens are wigged out over it? Hunting it down once they learned about it?

The grey wardens know where the old gods are buried. (The Calling).

The elves along with the dwarves sealed the old gods deep in the earth. (DA:O)

The old gods are not the elven host, those seem to be different. The Old Gods appear to be Paragon Dragons. The skies were dangerous, etc. and the Elves and Dwarves together found a way to seal the Old Gods deep in the earth.

SO perhaps the Primal Thaig is where the ritual took place. The Lyrium idol could very well have been a 'key' or prime ingredient for the ritual.

So, if the Wardens know where the Old Gods are, why don't they kick some ass, then smuggle some untainted warriors down there to put the smackdown on the Old Gods (would not want to do it themselves, or they might start a new Blight, like the Architect did)