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[LexXxich]

ToastPants wrote...

I'm a little curious as to why people seem to be so upset over Leliana/Zevran being alive (especially Leliana I've seen). Bioware obviously couldn't include every tiny story variation just because of the constraints of producing a game series with a somewhat defined storyline. They wanted to include the love interests because they know people get attached to them and want to see the relationship pay off (I think they should have inlcuded Morrigan too, but that's another topic. And I have a feeling she'll show up sooner or later anyhow). Leliana (or Zevran) being dead doesn't have any significant impact on the game story (you're down a rogue, that's about it), whereas their romance does. At some point developers have to pick and choose at least a vague canon for the game, or things would get ridiculously crosswired and complicated. I understand that and I don't have a problem with it.

I totally understand being upset about things such as the Architect which have the potential to seriously effect the story, I'm just not getting the amount of anger I'm seeing over the "undeaths". They probably just figured more people would be upset about having them NOT there than having them THERE.

You are going about the issue in a backwards way. You defend Bioware for things that would never had happened if BW was better at planning in the first place. If they didn't intend to include player's choices(all of them), they shouldn't have made them choices. Or, at least, shouldn't advertise them as meaningful. What we have now is a mix of programming errors and writers' tyranny.

[Espurr]

LexXxich wrote...

ToastPants wrote...

I'm a little curious as to why people seem to be so upset over Leliana/Zevran being alive (especially Leliana I've seen). Bioware obviously couldn't include every tiny story variation just because of the constraints of producing a game series with a somewhat defined storyline. They wanted to include the love interests because they know people get attached to them and want to see the relationship pay off (I think they should have inlcuded Morrigan too, but that's another topic. And I have a feeling she'll show up sooner or later anyhow). Leliana (or Zevran) being dead doesn't have any significant impact on the game story (you're down a rogue, that's about it), whereas their romance does. At some point developers have to pick and choose at least a vague canon for the game, or things would get ridiculously crosswired and complicated. I understand that and I don't have a problem with it.

I totally understand being upset about things such as the Architect which have the potential to seriously effect the story, I'm just not getting the amount of anger I'm seeing over the "undeaths". They probably just figured more people would be upset about having them NOT there than having them THERE.

You are going about the issue in a backwards way. You defend Bioware for things that would never had happened if BW was better at planning in the first place. If they didn't intend to include player's choices(all of them), they shouldn't have made them choices. Or, at least, shouldn't advertise them as meaningful. What we have now is a mix of programming errors and writers' tyranny.

You're assuming they intended to make a greater story arc all along. Origins felt like a stand-alone game to me, whereas DA2 is clearly part 2 of a longer story. I seriously doubt they were planning all this from the beginning.

They probably tried to include every choice they could, but at the end of the day they realized they couldn't include everything, so they prioritized. Which, yeah, can be annoying if you were oh-so-attached to some tiny choice you made, but when all is said and done they can't make everyone happy. And I feel like all the choices that were truly important to the story were addressed.

The writers basically can't win in this situation, because if they included every little tiny choice from Origins, the game would be a mess, and they would be unable to direct the story as specifically as they needed to for a middle chapter. The story needs to end up in a certain place in order to lead into the next game, so they need to streamline.

[PSUHammer]

I just experienced the Leliana bug. Have an Origins/Awakening/Witch Hunt import where the Warden romanced Leliana...and she doesn't mention it.

[TheDoctor]

ToastPants wrote...

You're assuming they intended to make a greater story arc all along. Origins felt like a stand-alone game to me, whereas DA2 is clearly part 2 of a longer story. I seriously doubt they were planning all this from the beginning.

I'm pretty confident that when Dragon Age: Origins came out there were announcements that the setting was designed as a trilogy.

As for how much of the story was laid out from the start and in what level of detail we can only guess. Clearly the tensions within the circle were visible in DA:O as well, but if TPTB had decided to make that one of the main theme(s) for DA:2 (or "Dragon Age: Exodus" as the debug scripts call it), we'll never know. Btw - I really like the development moniker for the game. A simple "2" just has no soul, whereas "Exodus" sounds, well, almost biblical


In Trilogies the first part typically stands pretty well on it's own (especially if you're starting a new franchise). Think Matrix or the original Star Wars. Both began with nice, contained stories which were set against a larger background. Now with just enough loose ends left with the conclusion of the first installments you get people hooked for parts 2 & 3. And if things work out and you know that if you're making a 'part 2' then you're gonna make a 'part 3' as well, you can go all out with the 'unfinished' story lines at the end of part 2

[Espurr]

TheDoctorMk2 wrote...

ToastPants wrote...

You're assuming they intended to make a greater story arc all along. Origins felt like a stand-alone game to me, whereas DA2 is clearly part 2 of a longer story. I seriously doubt they were planning all this from the beginning.

I'm pretty confident that when Dragon Age: Origins came out there were announcements that the setting was designed as a trilogy.

I stand corrected!

I do still understand the need for a vague canon though. I'm just surprised that people seem to be getting so upset over what seemed like insignificant story tweaks in the long run. Especially ones that can concievably be explained away in canon. Not saying it's wrong for people to be, just honestly not understanding it.

Modifié par ToastPants, 18 mars 2011 - 06:00 .

[Silencer81]

I have met Leliana and I got neither options. When I asked is she THE Leliana, she said that I must have heard stories about their adventures and it was long time ago. Nothing about he is dear to me nor I haven't seen him for a while. Do I get the good solution ?

In the Awakening I had the ending that Warden joins Leliana for further adventures so I guess this ending is true, but I have concerns.

Modifié par Silencer81, 18 mars 2011 - 11:01 .

[VikingDream]

Well i'm pretty sure both my completed runs of DA2 are bugged cause in run one i romanced merrill and in the dialog Isabell was the only one to stay with me. In my second play through i romaced Isabella and then merrill turned up at my house before the final battel and then in the gallows i completed both hers and Isabellas romaces and the end dialog said Isabella stayed with me but the subtitle said it was merrill so if DA2 save import to DA3 or what ever the follow up is it's going to be gimped like all my DA:O saves are for DA2 might have to play through DA:O DA2 just to get a decent start in DA3.

Guess it depends cause i was with morigan and leliana in DA:O might have to play through DA:O from a fresh install to get all my save games and then import them to DA2 just to see if it has any effect on DA3, lets just say you wanted every possible romance imported from DA:O to DA2 then you wanted to do the same for DA2 to DA3 you'd need to play DA:O about 6 times then for each eanding of DA:O you need to play DA2 6 times i think so you'd need 36 saves to import to to DA3 to see if every romance from DA:O and DA2 effects things in DA3.

Not to mention if you have 3 class, 3 races and all the background stores from DA:O and want to import all that through DA2 to DA3 you need around and i guessing here over 200 saves to get every possible combination of romance, background, class, and race across from DA:O to DA3 just can't see that working so i wouldn't worry if you had a buggy save import from DA:O to DA2 it wont matter in DA3 theres to many combinations they would have to write into the game.

More then likely your end game of DA2 like if you were king/queen of kirkwall sided with mages or templers and maybe one or to romces will be the only things to carry over, that might effect what NPC's you get in stories like who's king/queen of fereldan in DA:O carried over to DA2 and some party banter like if the hero of ferldon was an elf merrill lines change but nothing much was differn from my playing my save game import to the pre built ones.

Like i said only real way to test this is to go play DA:O a whole load then import the saves and see what changes but i'd say the 3 pre built ones will be pretty much all you get, must stop typing now lol

Modifié par VikingDream, 19 mars 2011 - 12:16 .

[.shea.]

Silencer81 wrote...

I have met Leliana and I got neither options. When I asked is she THE Leliana, she said that I must have heard stories about their adventures and it was long time ago. Nothing about he is dear to me nor I haven't seen him for a while. Do I get the good solution ?

Only imports from DA:O work, I've done a playthrough with DA:O->DA:A->GoA->WH import and Leliana just says that she hasn't seen the warden for years, but my current playthrough with DA:O import has Leliana mentioning that 'yes, I know the hero of ferelden. She is...dear to my heart'. Annoying bug to be sure, but what's hilarious is that in the bugged import Leliana and Isabela do remember the threesome with my warden, but she still acts like the warden never romanced Leliana...<_<

[Silencer81]

Strange because I didn't have threesome and I didn't hardened Leliana and Isabela didn't coment on Sister NIght(something).

And how goes the line that she didn't see him for years, because in my text she says that they were traveling togethere long time ago.

[OfficerDonNZ]

TheDoctorMk2 wrote...

I'm pretty confident that when Dragon Age: Origins came out there were announcements that the setting was designed as a trilogy.

In a word no. DA:O was never planned as a part of a trilogy. The question came up more than once during DA:O's developent cycle and they went out of their way to say No DA:O is a stand alone game. Though this was before Bio became part of EA. But things can chnage I guess. Also don't forget the Dragon Age series is about a span of 100 years in the world of Thedas, hence the name. 

[Silencer81]

Has someone started a game using this?

http://dragonagenexu...ile.php?id=2251

[mesmerizedish]

Silencer81 wrote...

Has someone started a game using this?

http://dragonagenexu...ile.php?id=2251

Yes (not me), and it also features the bug. That's because the save generator (I'd imagine) doesn't set values for follower approval, which is part of what determines if DAII considers the romance to have been active.

[Silencer81]

There is companion debug commands included in seperate download

Modifié par Silencer81, 19 mars 2011 - 09:43 .

[Silencer81]

double post

Modifié par Silencer81, 19 mars 2011 - 09:43 .

[heman14]

I was just really surprised to see her show up...I killed her in DA:O

[JedTed]

I imported an Awakening save where i romanced Leliana and i'm pretty sure when i met her in DA2 she said "he is very dear to me". Although i could've just been high from the excitment of seeing her again.

Edit: Alright it's bugged.  I just watched a video of the encounter to jog my memory and i remember her saying "that was many years ago".  It's disapointing that Awakening and all the DLC cancels the romance, i hope Bioware puts out a patch to fix this. 

Modifié par JedTed, 21 mars 2011 - 09:05 .

[Rector_caedo]

I got the same problem and more, in the end of ACT II when the city is being attack and your sibling comes to help you on the fighting (if you allowed them) The guide says that King Alister should make a cameo but he did not, instead i got the warden with a 'stash.

[GSSAGE7]

I've heard that there's a fix for this, but it seems to only be available for the PC.
Is there any solution to this besides importing an Origins save, or is there a way to get the dialogue, and still import an Awakening save?

[Revelator9]

I imported a game from witch hunt in which I had romanced leliana and I got the right response from her. But after reading this I tested a theroy where I played it with an import in which I romance her but didnt get her "hardened". meaning I never got the Marsoline (sorry I know I spelled her name wrong) stoy or quest. then in DA2 I got the "haven;t seen him in years" response. Its just a guess but I think It may have more to do with what you did in origins than it being a bug. could be wrong however

[GSSAGE7]

Revelator9 wrote...

I imported a game from witch hunt in which I had romanced leliana and I got the right response from her. But after reading this I tested a theroy where I played it with an import in which I romance her but didnt get her "hardened". meaning I never got the Marsoline (sorry I know I spelled her name wrong) stoy or quest. then in DA2 I got the "haven;t seen him in years" response. Its just a guess but I think It may have more to do with what you did in origins than it being a bug. could be wrong however

Well since the warden, Leliana and Isabela had their "encounter", and Isabela rememebered, she was obviously hardened.

[bluewolv1970]

I had a hardened Leliana (that romanced the warden) that was remembered by Isabella and did not say the he was dear to me line like she is supposed to...

[GSSAGE7]

This is just a general question, but related to this. For console gamers, do we really have any options besides sitting back and waiting for a patch to fix bugs like this?

[J0urn3y]

GSSAGE7 wrote...

This is just a general question, but related to this. For console gamers, do we really have any options besides sitting back and waiting for a patch to fix bugs like this?

I'm thinking probably not. This gives me pause concerning any DA 2 dlc that might come out. What is the point of paying for it, playing it, and making it part of the lore of my world if it won't count or matter in DA3? Don't get me wrong I enjoy the game but extra content that won't matter is a different thing for an rpg. Creating your character and world are part of the experience. If I didn't want that I'd be playing something else. I'm sure they will fix this eventually especially with the amount of complaints. However, eventually could be 6 months from now meaning we must shelf the game until then or play only Origins save imports ignoring everything else we've done.

[Phoenix-Warden]

Is the Bug now fixed with the new Patch?

[hoorayforicecream]

I don't think so. The outstanding issues for 1.03 lists the romance import bugs.