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[Squeezit]

i never liked Anders.
i wanted to kill him.
but i wanted to keep my healer.

[LobselVith8]

Cglasgow, I don't see him that way. You're entitled to your opinion, but all I see is that Anders saw the injustice of slavery, and put an end to it. He came to Kirkwall because of what Karl told him about the horrors of the Gallows Prison, and he clearly learned more when he uncovered that a Tranquil Solution was being proposed. His actions lead to the Circles breaking free, and even the templars as well if you remember Varric's conversation with Cassandra. Why should I hate a man who wanted to put an end to slavery? I see no reason to. You're welcome to disagree, of course.

[King Killoth]

despite being pro mage through out my entire playthrough anders actions where enough to make my hawke kill him and join the templars. it also reunited the brothers hawke. than killed Meredith and became Viscount.

[Boss Fog]

The moment Anders did what he did, a bomb went off in my mind. I wanted to just tell him to leave but Sebastian had to threaten me w/ war so I murderknifed Anders, god damn creepy psychotic abomination terrorist!!

[Arrtis]

sevenplusone wrote...

That was such a dick move.

Also, who did you side with? I ended up siding with the Templars. Both sides are ****ed but I liked Meredith's character. On top of that, Anders really ****ed the mages. Order did need to be kept, so imo siding with the Templars was a ****ty choice, but the best one.

Let him go.
Then killed him after siding with templars.

[psychocandy]

killed him...he got extremely tiresome by the middle of act 2, his whole martyr speech wanted me to throw a revive bomb on him to kill him over and over again

[anub1s19]

kept him alive, never liked the chantry and if there was a option would have butchered all of em... he just beat me to it

[screamin_jesus]

I killed him but had to reload and save him because he was my only  healer, and there is some tough battles at the end (without him that ****ing battle with the pride demon and all the shades was ****ing impossible)

LobselVith8 wrote...

Cglasgow, I don't see him that way. You're entitled to your opinion, but all I see is that Anders saw the injustice of slavery, and put an end to it. He came to Kirkwall because of what Karl told him about the horrors of the Gallows Prison, and he clearly learned more when he uncovered that a Tranquil Solution was being proposed. His actions lead to the Circles breaking free, and even the templars as well if you remember Varric's conversation with Cassandra. Why should I hate a man who wanted to put an end to slavery? I see no reason to. You're welcome to disagree, of course.

Yeah but his method was totally retarded. He blew up a building with the one reasonable person in the whole damn game (grand cleric) and made the mages look even worse then they already do.

Modifié par screamin_jesus, 14 mars 2011 - 09:01 .

[ArawnNox]

When he sat there going "I didn't want you to get involved." I was like, "Too late, you moron." then he went on asking Hawke to kill him. I was like, "Oh no, you're not getting out of this the easy way, you're going to help me finish what you started."

[errant_knight]

sevenplusone wrote...

That was such a dick move.

Also, who did you side with? I ended up siding with the Templars. Both sides are ****ed but I liked Meredith's character. On top of that, Anders really ****ed the mages. Order did need to be kept, so imo siding with the Templars was a ****ty choice, but the best one.

I did kill Anders. He must have killed hundreds. That being said, I don't think that was Anders anymore, it was just another face of Vengence. I sided with the circle, because Meridith wanted to slaughter them for something they didn't do. Man, was I pissed. I spent the whole game juggling both sides and Anders ruined everything in one move.

[Dean_the_Young]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Cglasgow, I don't see him that way. You're entitled to your opinion, but all I see is that Anders saw the injustice of slavery, and put an end to it. He came to Kirkwall because of what Karl told him about the horrors of the Gallows Prison, and he clearly learned more when he uncovered that a Tranquil Solution was being proposed. His actions lead to the Circles breaking free, and even the templars as well if you remember Varric's conversation with Cassandra. Why should I hate a man who wanted to put an end to slavery? I see no reason to. You're welcome to disagree, of course.

Triggering genocide really isn't ending slavery in any moral sense of the phrase. It's more like ending slaves. By getting them killed. Except that more will be born, wheras everyone else will have remembered the slave revolt.


Generally, deliberately getting the slaves killed in a fool's struggle is a Bad Thing for any self-described abolitionist.

[JamesX]

Did not kill Anders.

Chose the option to let him live - thinking I will get a option to say "I will march you to Vol Royaux so you can face proper justice." instead the paraphrase went "I forgive you, stay with us."

/faceplam

Next play through he is dead for sure.

Modifié par JamesX, 14 mars 2011 - 10:03 .

[Winty]

I killed him as well, I liked his character for the first Act, and that just went downwards in 2 and 3. That, and the fact I liked Sebastian more (and I paid for him ).

[Werrf]

I wanted to punish him, but it was more important that he help fight the war he's started. It was clearly going to come to a war whatever we did, and the Templars were the ones who were starting it. We'd seen that the Circle can work, in Ferelden - it was Meredith's madness that was driving the Kirkwall Circle into rebellion, so there was no way I was siding with that maniac. Anders...I should have killed him. He'd probably have been happier that way. But I needed every gun to fight the war that had been inevitably coming.

[Jdmaster]

I kinda killed Anders.
Cause if I sides with the mages more would get killed including innocents so Templar it was.
Shame about Anders he always was a cool guy in Awakening guess Justice/Vengeance killed him.
and then Sebastian with his army when i wanted Anders to go away so I killed him.

[cglasgow]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Cglasgow, I don't see him that way. You're entitled to your opinion, but all I see is that Anders saw the injustice of slavery, and put an end to it.

And this image of Anders in no way jibes with the man we had to try and restrain from murdering an innocent mage girl in act 2.

You can either accept that Anders had an actual reason (however ruthless or amoral) for trying to rip her head off, at which point he is evil.   Or you can admit that he had no rational reason, at which point he is insane.   (My vote:  Insane.)  

But you can't pretend it never happened, because it did, and we saw it.

PS: No, 'That was Vengeance, not Anders!' is not an excuse; after the Chantry goes up, Anders tells us that him and the spirit are one and the same now, and have been for some time.

Modifié par cglasgow, 14 mars 2011 - 10:34 .

[LeaveMeAlone9009]

If this game was HALF the game DAO was, there would have been someway to be MEREDITH'S CHAMPION.

[trembli0s]

Shanked him as soon as I could. Played through it again later and offered to spare him at which point Sebastian threatened to lead a new Exalted March, so I shanked him again.

[Azul7]

Sided with the Templars. Let Anders go thinking he would just leave, but he came back to fight me so I killed him there

[ComeOnEA]

I didnt kill him but I had to think hard about it. I sided with the mages because of  my characters love for Bethany. Also living with Meril and her blood magic using self <_<.Sebastian threatened me with an army invasion but when I threatened his life he backed down and left mad. His heart pumped Kool-Aid.

[cglasgow]

Oh yeah, Bethany was the main reason I went mage ending the last time. All other considerations be damned, I cannot let templars kill my baby sister.

This time around I'm Mage Hawke with Grey Warden Carver, so I'll be free to follow my heart.

Now, if I could just figure out what that means.  

Modifié par cglasgow, 14 mars 2011 - 11:15 .

[CHawk15]

My first playthrough, I was a DPS Mage Hawke that slightly leaned towards the mages, but understood there were mistakes on both sides. I didn't really understand how to properly build my character / party the first time through, so I had to keep Anders because I needed the healer. I was shocked when the Chantry blew up and I was forced to make that choice. If I play that character again, then I choose the Spirit Healer Speicialization and Anders is toast.

The only way I see Hawke sparing Anders is because he/she is in a romance with him or if Hawke just wants to see the Chantry go up in flames. There are 2 moments in this game that made me a little sick, killing the Dalish Clan and sparing Anders.

This situation at the end of DA2 closely resembles of what happened at the Circle of Fereldan, the only difference is that First Enchanter Irving was a much stronger leader and Knight Commander Gregoir is much more reasonable. Even with that, Uldred led a revolution that nearly kicked off the battle in Fereldan. The only reason it didn't is because the Warden stopped it. I believe this is what Flemeth ultimately wanted, especially since I think she's the spirit of one of the original Tevinter Magisters. One more question about the ending, has Leliana always been an agent of the Chantry, or did she join that cause after Origins ?

[rcollins1701]

ArawnNox wrote...

When he sat there going "I didn't want you to get involved." I was like, "Too late, you moron." then he went on asking Hawke to kill him. I was like, "Oh no, you're not getting out of this the easy way, you're going to help me finish what you started."

I like this. That's why I spared him. Better to let him live with the consequences of his own actions than take the coward's way out. Plus, if he's dead, how can he atone?

[cglasgow]

Re: Leliana... who knows?

Me, I have the personal theory that Leliana was an elite secret agent of the Chantry even before DA1 started, and that pretty much all of the non-Marjolaine parts of her backstory we got in DA1 were a cover story.   I mean, we were warned that Leliana is a perfect liar; you have to take anything she tells you entirely on faith, because God knows you can't get past her poker face.  (Heck, even the Marjolaine parts I only believe because I actually saw Marjolaine with my own eyes).

I did notice in DA1 that the Revered Mother of the Lothering Chantry leaves the decision of whether or not to free Sten entirely up to Leliana. And 'you know them better than I do' seemed a weak excuse to me even at the time, because Leliana's just met you, and she's purportedly a lay sister... why should the Mother give her opinion any major weight?  It's not even like Leliana's noted for being particularly wise in DA1; according to her own version of the story, everybody in the Lothering chantry thought she was a ditz.  So trusting Leliana's judgement over her own seems a bit OOC for the Revered Mother; I just accepted it because 'Hey, this is Sten's recruitment mission, so they're forcing it a little to get him in the party.'

In hindsight, however... if Leliana was a Chantry Seeker undercover as a lay sister in Lothering, then only the Revered Mother would know about it, if anyone would. And then it makes perfect sense; the Mother is asking her superior officer for orders. 'Is freeing the qunari really necessary to your mission?' 'Yes.' '... very well.'

As to what mission a hypothetical Seeker Leliana could have been on in Lothering... well, hey, people as far away as the Arishok were sending elite Force Recon teams *coughStencough* to Ferelden because of the Blight crisis. Why not the Divine? And Lothering was the nearest civilian town (and Chantry) to Ostagar; close enough to pick up news from the soldiers going by, far enough away to escape if the **** hit the fan.

And, of course, attaching herself to the Warden's party was a 'target of opportunity' situation after Loghain's betrayal... especially since the Chantry knows that Alistair is King Maric's bastard son.

It all fits!

It's all just me speculating, though.

Modifié par cglasgow, 14 mars 2011 - 11:23 .

[vandoug]

CHawk15 wrote...
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The only way I see Hawke sparing Anders is because he/she is in a romance with him or if Hawke just wants to see the Chantry go up in flames. There are 2 moments in this game that made me a little sick, killing the Dalish Clan and sparing Anders.
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You have the option not to kill the Dalish Clan.