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[Snowship]

my 1st run [Good Male Warrior] I killed him, I was the peace maker and even though I sided with the mages, what he did was not necessary, reckless and unconsiable. He couldn't be allowed to live and stand as a hero/rally for his action.

my next go [Evil Female Mage] will spare him (also he'll be the LI).

as for a RP game, I'll make that descision when I get there

[HighMoon]

Just finished the game. My female mage Hawke, Sophiana, spared Anders and then ran off with him. She was a mage sympathizer, but that didn't mean she didn't feel horrified over what happened to the Chantry.

However, as time passed, she would come to realise that Anders actions were harsh, but necessary. It was the most surefire method of assuring the conflict between the mages and templars would change. No longer would there be a middle ground. It may be a rough road to travel down, but at least now her and Anders are that small step closer to being free.

Also, what many people do not know is that no one actually died in The Chantry. The upsurge of energy was so powerful that it actually caused the Grand Cleric and all the Chantry sisters to be propelled upwards into the sky. There, Flemeth appeared in her dragon form, soaring through the clouds, and managed to catch the sisters just as they began falling back down. It was all part of Anders plan you see. Where she took them remains to be seen, however.

Modifié par Golden-Rose, 11 avril 2011 - 12:44 .

[Ansatsusha]

I let him go out of shock because I couldn't believe he did what he did. I felt so disgusted--I mean, I am no fan of religion and I hate the Chantry and their stupid beliefs, but Elthina was a decent woman and I don't condone blowing up buildings of civilians. Big reason I didn't kill Anders was that my male Hawke was his lover, and I also loved the Awakening Anders so I couldn't bring myself to kill that kitten-loving dude. However, I also couldn't forgive what he did and had to let him go. Then I remembered that Anders was my healer so I had to reload the save and keep him around, though I made my male Hawke break up with him before the Orsino fight (strangely the epilogue said that we were still together...I was pretty pissed because my Hawke's heart was broken by what Anders did).

After that, I played a mage Hawke and sided with the templars. Murderknifed Anders because this time he was just annoying as hell, I didn't like him anymore. Even though I maxed his friendship out, he pissed me off majorly when I refused to distract Elthina for him, and he accused my mage Hawke of being all talk. Hello, my mage Hawke was trying to set an example that mages could be trusted (like my mage warden)--how dare he! I hated his little martyr speech so I reloaded the save and let him go, only to find out I had to kill him anyway. Well, at least that felt more satisfying than hearing him talk about his martyr-complex with glee as I lamely stab him in the back.

Still, I usually side with the mages on my play-throughs though, even if I eventually became convinced that a circle is necessary (still hate the Chantry). I don't want to kill a bunch of innocents doomed by Anders, but I worry about what will happen in the future. Sure, not all mages turn to blood magic, but the ones who rise to power and win the war might be blood mages who think they're meant to rule over man (like that crazy woman in Enemies among us). I just really wanted to kill Anders in all my playthroughs because he really undid everything the good mages have been trying to prove and he really wasn't helping the mages at all, but letting him live is a better punishment. I won't give him the satisfaction of death.

Modifié par Ansatsusha, 11 avril 2011 - 12:54 .

[ArcticBear]

I killed him. He blew up the cleric! He might aswell have yelled some religious fanatic line!

[LobselVith8]

Kabraxal wrote...

You are talking the poster that can't see the contradiction in saying you cannot judge all mages by the acts of all the mages we see kill and maim and be possed, but you sure as hell can judge any person that is a member of the Chantry as evil simply because members in the past and present have killed or maimed or enslaved....

Judging Grand Cleric Elthina by her inaction to stop the abuses being committed against mages - when she has more authority than Meredith who is the Knight-Commander - even when the evidence is presented to her is very different than judging all members of the Chantry as the same. Mages were being raped, a len was tortured, the Harrowed mages were being made tranquil, the Knight-Commander became a dictator over the city-state, and she did nothing to stop this tyranny.

Kabraxal wrote...

His argument is not all that rational.

You're not even addressing my argument.

Kabraxal wrote...

And after watching that scene again it is clear that you cannot argue he unwillingly killed innocents or put them at risk.

Anders wanted to end a stalement and force a war that would lead the mages to emancipate themselves. Right or wrong, that was his intent. He attacked the leader of the Chantry, who was technically the most powerful person in Kirkwall (second only to the Divine) but was using none of her authority to put an end to Meredith's regime as the de facto Viscount of Kirkwall.

Kabraxal wrote...

The explosion not only took out the Chantry, but it left trails of destruction and flaims throughout the surrounding area. So even if you buy into the stupid "all chantry members" are evil schtick, you cannot escape the fact that Anders willingly risked innocents with that explosion.

Because I pointed out that, to Anders, the Chantry is the enemy? That he sees the Chantry controlled Circles as slavery and wanted to end this system when he says "the Circles have failed us." No one is making the claim that all members of the Chantry are evil, except you.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

We had gotten to be close friends over the course of the story, but after he did that? Without hesitation.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 11 avril 2011 - 03:40 .

[88mphSlayer]

sure, sided with Meredith and then made short work of Anders

problem?

[RazorrX]

My murder knife was hungry, had to feed it.

[gazukull]

I killed him... and enjoyed it.

[Vesperz]

I kill Anders every... single... playthrough... I am an absolute jackass to him all the time, every time.

[Alamar2078]

Most of the time I will kill him. I'll probably let him loose in my "Joker" [wants to see the world burn] playthrough to see how much more trouble he can cause

[Iosev]

On my first playthrough, I didn't kill him. Both Anders and Justice need to see the death and destruction that results from their actions. Killing them now would simply mean letting them die with the belief that they did the right thing.

[Wrathra]

Fannlyn wrote...

No.

I kept Anders alive, and ran away with him. Was a mage, sided with mages. The time for negotiations was over. The Chantry promoted slavery in the form of locking up mages because of what they /could/ do. You can't charge someone with a crime before they commit it. And Tranquils? Zomg. Crime against nature much? I liked the leader woman from the Chantry (forget her name, forgive me), but she was an enabler of this situation. A situation that should never have been tolerated to begin with.

Judge me if you will, but I'm sticking to it.

Pretty much this.  I sided with mages, ran away with him. My mage!hawke loved him, and would have razed the city to protect him.  *shrug*

No idea how I'll handle it with my rogue!hawke yet.

[Bigdoser]

arcelonious wrote...

On my first playthrough, I didn't kill him. Both Anders and Justice need to see the death and destruction that results from their actions. Killing them now would simply mean letting them die with the belief that they did the right thing.

This is why I keep him alive in my playthroughs as merril said make him work off what he has done and killing him is allowing him to take the easy way out he can be alot more useful alive than dead.

[Deified Data]

Of course.

I dislike stabbing Anders in the back, so when I side with the Templars I'm always sure to let him escape immediately after he blows up the Chantry. He'll come back to challenge you later, in the Gallows, where you can cut him down honorably while he tries to defend himself.

[Obadiah]

Anders pretty much becomes a mass murderer, just to start a war that will kill even more people.

Gotta put him down.

[KingNothing125]

My Hawke killed Anders, despite being a mage sympathizer.

It's really hard being a mage sympathizer, especially near the end of the game. It seems like all you ever run into is power hungry blood mages and abominations... very rarely do you ever come across a bad templar. There's the one with the "final solution" in the Anders quest, but it turns out Meredith thought his idea was crazy. Even the freakin' First Enchanter goes nutso (despite Hawke and friends holding the line rather easily). Jebus, BioWare... remind me again why I'm supporting these mages?

My rationale ended up being to protect Bethany from harm.

[Deified Data]

KingNothing125 wrote...

My Hawke killed Anders, despite being a mage sympathizer.

It's really hard being a mage sympathizer, especially near the end of the game. It seems like all you ever run into is power hungry blood mages and abominations... very rarely do you ever come across a bad templar. There's the one with the "final solution" in the Anders quest, but it turns out Meredith thought his idea was crazy. Even the freakin' First Enchanter goes nutso (despite Hawke and friends holding the line rather easily). Jebus, BioWare... remind me again why I'm supporting these mages?

My rationale ended up being to protect Bethany from harm.

Yeah, that's the only way I can justify it anymore. Maker help the mages if Bethany died/became a Warden earlier in the game, because she's the only one keeping them alive.

[brightblueink]

My rogue Hawke left him alive, but I'd always played her as being someone that cared more about protecting people close to her than any particular ideals, and she romanced Anders. She supported the mages to protect Bethany and she ran off together with Anders in the end.

I'm not sure what I'll do on my current playthrough, or any future ones. I'm currently playing a mage who's very prideful about what she is...I don't know which side I'll have her side with (mages, probably?) but I can see her killing Anders just out of anger over him damaging the reputation of mages even further.

[Quasar7]

I did the first time through.  My male rogue Hawke was swept away by Anders, only to feel used in Act III.  It especially hurt when Anders accused Hawke of supporting mages in words only.  After all I'd done for them and for Anders in particular?  And then I discover he used me to blow up the chantry?  And condemn his fellow mages - including my sister - to the rite of annulment?

But then after I did the deed, I felt ill, reloaded, spared him, and then ran off with him to continue his mage rebellion.

Oh Anders, you broke my heart, but I just couldn't do it...

[Arkuran]

Meh, Anders ruined the chances for mage's so I gave him a nice dagger in the back. Liked him much better in Awakening.

[In Exile]

Whether or not Anders believed in his cause, he deserved to be executed for his crime. Since the choices were - apparently - free him or execute him yourself, I was forced into his execution. But I maintain that allowing Aveline to bring him to justice as a guardswoman would be better.

[Ryzaki]

Nope. I only killed him once. (And the second time he forced me to killhim). So no. I don't kill Anders.

I can see his side. I think he jumped the gun but I understand why he did it. Elthina instead of doing her job sat on her hands while people were suffering. 

I have no sympathy for her.  

The decent templars and clerics I actually feel bad for. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 12 avril 2011 - 01:01 .