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[Renmiri1]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

You must really hate the world you live in then.

We have slavery in RL ? Where ?

[Shadow Fox]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

You must really hate the world you live in then.

We have slavery in RL ? Where ?

We don't now but around a century and half  ago we did Every nation and institution in the world advocated slavery at atleast one point in history.

[Xilizhra]

Actually, we do still have slavery IRL, it's just now highly criminalized. Generally.

[Shadow Fox]

Xilizhra wrote...

Actually, we do still have slavery IRL, it's just now highly criminalized. Generally.

It's called human trafficing these days I think.

[Xilizhra]

Same thing. In any case, the number of nations/institutions that advocated it is irrelevant; we who know it's wrong must act now.

[GodWood]

Renmiri1 wrote...
We have slavery in RL ? Where ?

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
We don't now but around a century and half ago we did Every nation and institution in the world advocated slavery at atleast one point in history.

Christ people are naive/ignorant of the world around them.

There's more slaves alive today then any point in human history.

[Shadow Fox]

GodWood wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...
We have slavery in RL ? Where ?

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
We don't now but around a century and half ago we did Every nation and institution in the world advocated slavery at atleast one point in history.

Christ people are naive/ignorant of the world around them.

There's more slaves alive today then any point in human history.

I was speaking of LEGAL slavery friend.

[GodWood]

And yet you didn't specify that despite the question of "we have slavery in RL?" referring to slavery in general not whether it is "legal".

[Shadow Fox]

GodWood wrote...

And yet you didn't specify that despite the question of "we have slavery in RL?" referring to slavery in general not whether it is "legal".

Well I assumed everyone not living under a rock knew of illegal slavery hence they were speaking of legal slavery pardon me for assuming people have intelligence.

[GodWood]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...
Pardon me for assuming people have intelligence.

You are forgiven. It's a common mistake.

[WazzuMan]

I weigh back and forth on this decision. First time, I killed him without a second thought. When I let him live, I was dissappointed in how Hawke just accepts him back in the party later on. In the whole mess, Sebastion is the only one who says something intelligent (for once), why punish the circle when the terrorist was sitting right over there.

[Lazy Jer]

WazzuMan wrote...

I weigh back and forth on this decision. First time, I killed him without a second thought. When I let him live, I was dissappointed in how Hawke just accepts him back in the party later on. In the whole mess, Sebastion is the only one who says something intelligent (for once), why punish the circle when the terrorist was sitting right over there.

I more or less agree with you on both Hawke's "Ah fahgetaboutit" attitude in accepting Anders back and on killing Anders in General.  Quite understandable for Sebastian to freak out and want the guilty party actually punished.  He blew up a building, killed all of the people inside.  It's just not something that can go unpunished.

[NasChoka]

How would killing him help me? or how would it help anybody else? 

My priority was to save the mages from being killed by the templars. Let somebody else hunt and punish him. 

[Lazy Jer]

NasChoka wrote...

How would killing him help me? or how would it help anybody else? 

My priority was to save the mages from being killed by the templars. Let somebody else hunt and punish him. 

The idea behind killing Anders isn't usually so much whether it helps anything or not.  The idea is that he killed people when he blew up the Chantry, and whether or not he deserves death for doing it.  Some people will argue that he was completely justified in killing the people in the chantry for a number of reasons, others will say that there's no excuse for what he did, even if his intention was supposedly nobel. 

[DPSSOC]

NasChoka wrote...
How would killing him help me? or how would it help anybody else?

One less crazy person running around?

[TEWR]

NasChoka wrote...
How would killing him help me? or how would it help anybody else?

Anders is one man. Sure he's a Mage, but killing him ensures an entire city-state's support of you in your quest to save the Mages both now and in the future (Starkhaven).

Besides, while I view what he did as justified and noble, I do think he should be punished, for political considerations and other reasons.

Still, there's an argument to be made about poetic justice and having him live. so that he can help save more lives in the Gallows.

[LobselVith8]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Anders is one man. Sure he's a Mage, but killing him ensures an entire city-state's support of you in your quest to save the Mages both now and in the future (Starkhaven).

Besides, while I view what he did as justified and noble, I do think he should be punished, for political considerations and other reasons.

Still, there's an argument to be made about poetic justice and having him live. so that he can help save more lives in the Gallows.

I don't know if Sebastian would side with the mages in the war; he never commits to the argument that mages deserve their autonomy during "The Last Straw," only that the templars have gone too far (if Hawke opposes Meredith).

[TEWR]

Which he might extend to the events that transpire in Asunder. He's a man of the Chantry faith, and given that the Divine has sided with the Mages -- and the Mages would be fools to not offer their protection and services to her -- I can easily see him siding with the Mages, but not in the same type of mindset as some of them.

In that he believes they're more right then the Templars, but doesn't want them to have complete autonomy.

But who knows? He might be able to be persuaded to give the Mages autonomy, so long as there are certain criteria in place to prevent the rise of another Imperium/Abominations galore.

[Tropenamer]

Spared him the first time through just because I needed a healer as a diplomatic/paragon full dps rogue, and sided with the mages because it felt like I was forced to choose between giving my mother justice or killing my sister, but honestly? I HATED the guy. I could tolerate his constant harping on about the injustice suffered by the mages, but the point is that he was a MONUMENTAL dick.

Merill may be a blood mage, but she's also the most innocent and endearing character in the entire game, and I daresay, the one character who deserves a happy ending, Bethany aside. And yet, after her Act 3 sidequest where she's-at best-forced to kill her surrogate mother and exiled from her clan, he straight up tells her to her face that the world is worse off with her being alive. Even Fenris-FENRIS, manages to say something constructive, telling her not to waste Marethari's sacrifice, in spite of calling her a monster earlier. And that's not even mentioning the joking about my mother when we were after her serial killer.

And then Orsino goes and becomes a blood mage despite my not letting the templars kill a single one of his mages...

Next time, I'm definitely siding with the templars, even as a mage. The Templars might've been too extreme under Meredith, but as far as I'm concerned, the Templars are every bit as fractious as the mages. You've got good templars (Emeric, Thrask, Cullen, Maurevar Carver...) and bad ones like Meredith and Alrik, the same way you've got good (Bethany, Elain, Merill) and bad (Orsino, Quentin, Grace, Decimus...everyone else not in the other column) mages. The difference is that within the templars, it's just a matter of leadership-take out Meredith and the more reasonable Cullen'll take over. The Kirkwall Circle was absolutely full of people willing to turn to blood magic once a certain threshold was crossed, and given Thedas's adherence to Murphy's law, I'd much rather side with the templars.

[Porenferser]

I killed him and I it was pity that it was only a knife to the back.
I'd gladly pay for an Anders slaughter DLC.

[Reikilea]

Really why kill him? For doing me a favour? For only one chantry with a few templars inside and one passive woman who could end everythign years ago and istead chosed to lick Meredith ass.

If Isabella had a chance to be forgive for her actions (and the fact she actually caused the war with quanari that lead to the death of the viscount and that lead to Meredith seizing the power) I believe that Anders deserve to be forgiven to. In my opinion he did the right think.

If the Warden was allowed to burn Amarantine (and that is some cutscene, I dont think I ever felt so bad). And what was in the chantry - just couple o templars and Elthina. If Boware wants me to feel guilty ad more templars inside. And some children and old people. For better impact in US film style. Otherwise it was just nice explostion caused by good intention.

Merril irresponsible actions caused the death of her own clan (optional) and the person she loved most. And yet she lives and tries to redeem her mistake.

In my opinion Anders did the same as Isabella. And if I spare one, I can certainly spare the other one too. I will be always siding with mages. Because chantry never tries to solve problem, what they do instead is just trying to get rid of them. Thedas needs this revolution. Elves and mages need this revolution.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Becuase killing people you don't like is a noble thing?

Right then. I don't like you, so I'm gonna kill your family to get to you. Totally a right thing to do. I'm sure when the law cathes me it will be justified.

And, there wasn't only "Elthina and a couple of Templars" in there. The structure was huge and the cutscene clearly show debris rainign across the city and fires starting. I'm sure poeple being crashed by masonry in their beds or being burned alive is fun.
And even if there really was no one but Elthina and a few tempalrs - so what? Do they deserve death? What did those templars do? Does Elthina really deserve death?

I will always be siding with the templars. Because mages are crazy whiners.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 07 janvier 2013 - 02:24 .

[Wolfspawn]

Yes. I killed him. Not because I hated him, but because Vengeance was corrupting him, so I brought it to a stop before he raised hell. It was not out of hate, but out of mercy.

[Reikilea]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Becuase killing people you don't like is a noble thing?

Right then. I don't like you, so I'm gonna kill your family to get to you. Totally a right thing to do. I'm sure when the law cathes me it will be justified.

And, there wasn't only "Elthina and a couple of Templars" in there. The structure was huge and the cutscene clearly show debris rainign across the city and fires starting. I'm sure poeple being crashed by masonry in their beds or being burned alive is fun.
And even if there really was no one but Elthina and a few tempalrs - so what? Do they deserve death? What did those templars do? Does Elthina really deserve death?

I will always be siding with the templars. Because mages are crazy whiners.

I said the cutscene was boring. If they want me to feel bad, add more children and old people. Isn´t it what west does in their films... Compared to Amarantime, that scene had no impact on me. Only thing I liked was the fact that it finally resolved all those stupid things that happened in the third act. If I was to change it, I would start by erasing the whole third act. Really even ME3 ending was better than that act.

And Fenris is also a crazy whiner. He and Anders are same characters. Only standing on different sides. Everyone in this game whines. Sebastian, Merril, Aveline, Carver are whining. Except Varric, becaue he was deliberately made to be perfectly neutral.

And dont tell me about innocents. By siding with templars you murdered hundreds of innocent children and young apprentices. Many old ladies and peacefull enchanters. In this conflict there is no side without blood on their hands. Even actions of Isabella and Merrill killed innocents.

But it is your pick and I take your reason or I knoew why you are against it. My reason is simple. In my mind giving people  free choice is noble. So I wont support intolerance, rasism and oppresion. So I will always side with mages. And elves.

[Lazy Jer]

Reikilea wrote...

And Fenris is also a crazy whiner. He and Anders are same characters. Only standing on different sides. Everyone in this game whines. Sebastian, Merril, Aveline, Carver are whining. Except Varric, becaue he was deliberately made to be perfectly neutral.

The difference is that Fenris doesn't blow up an entire building and set the whole town on fire.  Whining is irrevelvant.  Mass murder is.  Fenris did kill the people who were trying to enslave him.  The actual people trying to actually enslave him.  Your boy Anders, however, killed Grand Cleric Elthina, anyone else in the Chantry building, and probably a few of the people in the surrounding areas.  He did this so that Meredith would call for the Rite of Annulment, which even if the mages do fight back would result in the deaths of mages, and a severe risk to mage women and mage children.  In other words, Anders didn't give a flying whoopie cushion about the individual mages he was "saving", he only cared about his "cause".

That's why I gave him the the sharp pointy back ache and defended.  Then I sided with the mages, because Meredith also went too far.  Just like Anders planned.