2340 Antworten in diesem Thema

[EmperorSahlertz]

 

David Gaider wrote...
There are indeed Imperial templars. Their primary role is to enforce magical law, and since they are part of the Chantry-- which is controlled by the Circle-- they are thus controlled by the mages. The majority of Imperial templars, however, lack the ability to counter magic. They are primarily soldiers.

Comming from the lead writer, I'd say it is pretty indisputable that there are regular Templars in Tevinter. And since the Templars of Tevinter are controlled by the Magisters, I'd say that the anti-magic talents would be in high demand, so that the Magisters controlling the Templars would have the most deadly weapon avaiable. Furthermore, for the Templars to be able to do their duty, they would themselves seek out the people who could train them in the talents.

[IanPolaris]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

 

David Gaider wrote...
There are indeed Imperial templars. Their primary role is to enforce magical law, and since they are part of the Chantry-- which is controlled by the Circle-- they are thus controlled by the mages. The majority of Imperial templars, however, lack the ability to counter magic. They are primarily soldiers.

Comming from the lead writer, I'd say it is pretty indisputable that there are regular Templars in Tevinter. And since the Templars of Tevinter are controlled by the Magisters, I'd say that the anti-magic talents would be in high demand, so that the Magisters controlling the Templars would have the most deadly weapon avaiable. Furthermore, for the Templars to be able to do their duty, they would themselves seek out the people who could train them in the talents.

As usual your quote doesn't say what you think it does.  In fact DG is agreeing with me.  Imperial Templars are essentially soldiers.  All the rest is your own speculation without an iota of evidence.  In fact Magisters would want to regulate knowledge of magic extremely rigorously and most especially anti-magic abilities, especially since magisters as mages can police magic better than non-magic.

In short, you come nowhere close to being able to use the existance of Imperial Templars as proof that lyrium is required for Templar abilities.  That's especially true since Orzammar and Tevinter have had trade relations since pretty much forever.  Getting lyrium in Tevinter (as a magister anyway) is not a problem.  You are missing a great many logical steps.

-Polaris

[EmperorSahlertz]

DG straight up says that the majority of the Templars lack the ability, that means that there is a minority that does know them. That is 1st grade sentence building...

And I am not using it as proof of lyrium being the requirement, im using them as proof that not everyone can learn Templar abilities, and it is not as "easy" as Alistair made it out to be, and that there have as early as DA:O been more to it, than we have acces to. That is all.

[IanPolaris]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

DG straight up says that the majority of the Templars lack the ability, that means that there is a minority that does know them. That is 1st grade sentence building...

And I am not using it as proof of lyrium being the requirement, im using them as proof that not everyone can learn Templar abilities, and it is not as "easy" as Alistair made it out to be, and that there have as early as DA:O been more to it, than we have acces to. That is all.

Not exactly.  100% is a majority.  I will admit that the statement implies that some Imperial Templars do know SOME anti-magical techniques, but strictly speaking the statement doesn't prove what you think it does.

Yes you were using it as evidence that you need lyrium to learn Templar abilities.  That was how it came up.  No one has ever claimed the learning Templar abilities was easy.   Saying this now is moving the goalposts.  What was said was that you don't need lyrium to learn Templar abilities, and nothing you have presented shows otherwise.

-Polaris

[EmperorSahlertz]

OH now you presume to know what I argue for and against better than myself? You know what? I am done, I have better things to do than waste my time on pretentious ****s.. Simply know that all I have been saying, and all that I was arguing was simply: That while lyrium might not be a strict neccesity, everyone can't learn Templar abilities either, and some people, if indeed not most, are denied them for life, for whatever reason.

[IanPolaris]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

OH now you presume to know what I argue for and against better than myself? You know what? I am done, I have better things to do than waste my time on pretentious ****s.. Simply know that all I have been saying, and all that I was arguing was simply: That while lyrium might not be a strict neccesity, everyone can't learn Templar abilities either, and some people, if indeed not most, are denied them for life, for whatever reason.

In short, you've lost the debate on it's merits.  DAO very clearly shows that Lyrium is not required to use Templar abilities (at least not many of them), and you have no evidence to the contrary now that I've shot down your assertion about the Tevinter Templars.

-Polaris

[Harbinger of Hope]

No. He made that big mess, he's sure as hell going to help me clean it up. That's my story reason, anyway. The practical reason is because he's the only healer I had.

[panjshirlion]

I killed Anders and felt completely justified in doing so. I don't really understand why the Circles are so reviled anyway. Granted, Meredith was a bit overzealous, but there was a psychotic totem to blame for that. The Ferelden Circle seemed like a pretty decent place to live and learn to harness your talents. It produced people like Irving and Wynne, and the only time the templars there entertained the Rite of Annulment was when the entire tower was literally crawling with abominations and a pride demon.

That, and you have the counterexample of the relatively un-policed Tevinter magisters who come off as pretty brutal tyrants.

[panjshirlion]

I'd never argue that the Circles are entirely just, given that they presume guilt instead of innocence and give one group of people the power of life and death over another. However, we are given so many examples of mages either falling prey to possession or consciously using their power to abuse others that the Chantry's fears can't be dismissed as unrealistic.

[dedicance]

I could never forgive Anders for what he did letting him go would have been a mistake with or without sebastian

[anomagnus]

i killed others for far less. it pained me to do it, but i had spent the last 6 years protected the circle from rogue mages and over zealous templars. Anders was a rogue mage who committed an act of terrorism. He had to go.

[elvici]

tbh, I wanted to kill Anders from the moment he cautioned Hawke not to fall in love with him (presume much, mate?)! Any man who can stand there sporting such an obvious dye-job and warn a complete stranger he's going to "break [his/her] heart" is just begging for a quick knife-thrust in a darktown alley.  <_<

Bearbeitet von elvici, 29 Juli 2013 - 12:41 .

[jamesthessj4]

I find it a hard decision but i make it as the version of hawke I am playing at the time. Some times I let him go and some times I killed him. Sure I hate what he did and because of it I kind of hate him for it but also I remember the mage he used to be in awakening. When I first saw the character in awakening I really liked Anders. Aside from the return of Oghren, he was my favorite character from awakening and then he returns in DA 2 and is so different. I guess only Wynn was able to take a spirit from the fade into her self and not turn into a abomination like anders. Though the spirit that she took in was a spirit of faith compared to a spirit of justice. So I am guessing that perhaps if Justice went into some one elses body, some one more like Wynn then it would not of created this sort of new version of a abomination. Could this be true?

[celestial_emperor]

Anders was the wrong person for Justice to inhabit. Justice was corrupted by his experience in two human's bodies, he had the memories of Kristoff and the experience of living as Anders. That they felt justified murdering the one person who could bring peace to Kirkwall shows that both had lost their sense of purpose.

I thought it was merciful to kill Anders. Anders had committed a foul murder that eliminated the possibility of my Champion to do what she knew was best. My Champion was going to take over Kirkwall and put both Mages and Templars back in their proper places, consequences be damned.

And then Anders decided that his little act of terrorism was what he needed to get the ball rolling on a Fereldan wide war.

[jamesthessj4]

What about what Anders was fighting for? The freedom of all Mages to live as they see fit. Should mages be allowed to live free? I am not so sure. I can see both sides. Push a mage against a wall and it seems if they are weak willed they will allow a demon to possess them in order to live but how can you call that living. Yet it is the templars who push them to that extreme and so both sides are at fault.

Killing Anders might just turn him in a what ever they call people who die for their holy cause or what ever. He even says that when you kill him his name will live on as a hero for mages or what ever. I like Varrics response when you ask for opinions on killing Anders. I am sick of templars and mages.

[Lord Raijin]

Theirs no love lost between the Chantry and myself. I do not agree with half of what they do, however on the day when Anders made a pact with Spirit of Justice was the day that Anders proved to the Templars that mages need to be confined and watched. How can he sit there and complain to you that mages should be free when he's the prime example of why mages should be confined. It's ludicrous. Because of his instability by his own admission Justice became Vengeance and later on tells you that he doesn't trust himself near his patients due to Vengeance.

To be honest with you I don't think hes fighting for mages free rights... hes fighting to get revenge for what the Templars did to him, and using the mage free rights as an excuse.

When Anders blew up the Chantry was the last straw (literately). Game wise I let him live because I like to take an advantage of his healing powers, but Role-Playing POV I would've had him executed. If I had the option I would of allowed Knight-Commander Meredith to do the final blow because it felt right.

Bearbeitet von Lord Raijin, 03 August 2013 - 01:48 .