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[Wintermist]

I remember they say that if you die in the fade you will no longer be a mage. But Merril did die in there and she was certainly still a mage. Thoughts on this?

[MerchantGOL]

the Keeper pulled her out at the last second?

[lost lupus]

depens what you mean here *dying* in combat isnt dying itys more knocked out

if you mean her siding with the demon she didnt die the demon took her
after he dies mirrel is released

[Wintermist]

Not in my game. She died and wasn't available to me during the rest of the fade.

[ReavousX]

The same thing crossed my mind when I killed Merill in the Fade. I'm sure it can be explained away if it came down to it, but it came across as sloppy.

[MR445]

Wintermist wrote...

Not in my game. She died and wasn't available to me during the rest of the fade.

What they mean is before you go in the Keeper tells you if a mage dies in the Fade, they become tranquil.

Merrill was killed in the Fade so technically when you came back she should have been a slavering idiot like Karl.

[Wintermist]

MR445 wrote...

Wintermist wrote...

Not in my game. She died and wasn't available to me during the rest of the fade.

What they mean is before you go in the Keeper tells you if a mage dies in the Fade, they become tranquil.

Merrill was killed in the Fade so technically when you came back she should have been a slavering idiot like Karl.

Umm, yeah. That was the whole point of the thread lol. It's fishy.

[Nimander]

Basically yes. I was running this quest, and when it ended, I was like: wait, what? Merril's fine? What the heck?

I'd have liked some explanation for it, even if a handwave like 'the mind makes it real and you weren't trying to kill her' or such. The way it happened was just abrupt, with no explanation.

[jarnaez]

I don't think it was so much any mage in the fade that is killed becomes tranquil as you were inside Feynriel's dreams and so killing his projection in there is functionally killing his ability to dream. It wasn't Merril's mind, so her magic ability stayed intact.

[MR445]

Wintermist wrote...
Umm, yeah. That was the whole point of the thread lol. It's fishy.

Oh, sorry man haha. I kinda skimmed and I thought you meant that it did remove Merrill since she wasn't there for the rest of the Fade trip.

@jarnaez: Yeah that sounds reasonable enough.

Modifié par MR445, 12 mars 2011 - 04:56 .

[Wintermist]

jarnaez wrote...

I don't think it was so much any mage in the fade that is killed becomes tranquil as you were inside Feynriel's dreams and so killing his projection in there is functionally killing his ability to dream. It wasn't Merril's mind, so her magic ability stayed intact.

If that was true, then why did she warn us beforehand. It just doesn't add up...

Modifié par Wintermist, 12 mars 2011 - 05:06 .

[Auresta]

Inception.

I don't know really - I'll have to think about that!

[Wintermist]

Auresta wrote...

Inception.

I don't know really - I'll have to think about that!

Inception, that was a good movie 

[Your_Average_Warden]

Merrill must be FLEMETH! dun dun duuuun!

[Wintermist]

Your_Average_Warden wrote...

Merrill must be FLEMETH! dun dun duuuun!

Sneaky sneaky!

[lx_theo]

I was worried about that when i did it. It doesn't happen, and I think its just a work around, like she was knocked out and pulled out by the keeper or something.

And technically, anyone can become tranquil. Mages just have their magic removed in the process. So this would be an issue with everyone.

[staindgrey]

jarnaez wrote...

I don't think it was so much any mage in the fade that is killed becomes tranquil as you were inside Feynriel's dreams and so killing his projection in there is functionally killing his ability to dream. It wasn't Merril's mind, so her magic ability stayed intact.

That's how I rationalized it as well, but it was poorly explained. I honestly thought that when two members of my party turned on me, I'd actually lost them for the rest of the game. I was pissed, but I don't go back to old saves on my first playthrough, so I just kept going.

Then I get out and........ they're fine. The hell...?

[Wintermist]

lx_theo wrote...

I was worried about that when i did it. It doesn't happen, and I think its just a work around, like she was knocked out and pulled out by the keeper or something.

And technically, anyone can become tranquil. Mages just have their magic removed in the process. So this would be an issue with everyone.

Yeah I was worried too, bringing Anders and Merril into it. Then when Merril turned on me I was horrified. Once dead I though that I would lose her as a mage. But she was alright, and I was actually a bit disappointed about nothing happening. Even though I would miss her if it would have happened.

[Harorrd]

aswell was worried as hell that Merill was going to become tranquil

[cglasgow]

The point re: this being Feynriel's dream was that if you killed him inside his own mindscape, he would become Tranquil.

Merrill wasn't in her own mindscape, she was in someone else's, so 'dying' in a dream merely made her wake up.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Just wondering, is there a conversation after you leave the fade with Merrill if she turns on you? I'll be very dissapointed if they just go on as if nothing happenned. I want to verbally abuse the **** out of her for betraying me.

And please don't tell me anything beyond this, i just want to know how this Merill betrayal thing goes.

[Iyacathor]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Just wondering, is there a conversation after you leave the fade with Merrill if she turns on you? I'll be very dissapointed if they just go on as if nothing happenned. I want to verbally abuse the **** out of her for betraying me.

And please don't tell me anything beyond this, i just want to know how this Merill betrayal thing goes.

Two people betray you in there and both get a conversation afterwards.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Iyacathor wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Just wondering, is there a conversation after you leave the fade with Merrill if she turns on you? I'll be very dissapointed if they just go on as if nothing happenned. I want to verbally abuse the **** out of her for betraying me.

And please don't tell me anything beyond this, i just want to know how this Merill betrayal thing goes.

Two people betray you in there and both get a conversation afterwards.

Is it Isabella or Anders?

EDIT: Or do you mean it is inevitable for 2 random companions to betray you in the fade?

Modifié par Gibb_Shepard, 13 mars 2011 - 01:17 .

[cglasgow]

Isabela will betray you if you take her to face Desire. Merill will betray you if you take her to face Pride.

[Gibb_Shepard]

cglasgow wrote...

Isabela will betray you if you take her to face Desire. Merill will betray you if you take her to face Pride.

No matter what? Even if they are at full friendship with you?