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[The Minority]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Alright - that's it. *kills Piggy with the boulder*

Gah - it's been so long, it was a boulder right? Damn... *runs to Wiki* Schweet - education is so elitist, Bioware's gonna come streamline me.

It was a boulder. And the movie scene of it was so bad it was funny. But let's not talk about books I hate and talk on topic.

[CitizenThom]

There's always Zork.

Afterall Zork will never be on console, so it must be all that is good and great about gaming.

[Korusus]

Mauross wrote...
  The EXACT same flood of negativity afflicted DA:O when it first came out.

That's not entirely true.  I'm not one to quote review numbers because I think they're generally biased anyway...but come on...  Dragon Age: Origins has its fair share of problems, but I don't remember major reviewers giving it 8's and 7's, let alone 6.5's.

I mean when even Game Informer ,the mainstreamiest, dumbdowniest, pro-consolized reviewer in the business, says you've gone too far... then there's a problem.

DA2 is a good solid 7.  Not bad.  But not BioWare.

Modifié par Korusus, 12 mars 2011 - 05:31 .

[tbsking]

Faust1979 wrote...

Mass Effect 2 also had the same complaints and the same type of rage it lasted for weeks

Complaints about ME2 are also incredibly valid.

[Medhia Nox]

Okay - if I MUST be on topic.

I didn't idolize Baldur's Gate 2 - honestly, I think I need to go replay it to find out what everyone's talking about. Also, I played Neverwinter Persistant worlds for - well, a very long time. So, I wouldn't naturally connect Baldur's Gate and Dragon Age together.

Honestly - I had originally hoped Dragon Age would be Neverwinter Nights 2 under a different name (D&D license and all that) - but, it wasn't.

However - it was so many hours of RPGing that I loved it.

I don't like the way Bioware is going with their games. They seem to be combining Gears of War style gameplay into RPGs. I'm not interested. It's as simple as that. For some people it doesn't have to do with some misplaced nostalgia.

[Byth]

That's ironic, DA:O gets bashed for not being like BG and 2 years later DA2 gets bashed for not being like DA:O. Seems like people will find anything to hate the game.

[topster88]

"The last game didn't meet the customers' expectations, so it's ok that this game didn't either."

[RohanD]

The game is getting lower ratings all round compared to Origins. Just accept that in the eyes of MANY it is a worse game, and in the eyes of more than a few more, it is trash. Why do you fanboys feel the need to come on here and defend it so much? So you like it. Great, go and play it. People here are complaining because they paid money for a product and are not satisfied with it.

Let me give you an analogy to make it clearer. If you go to a fancy restaurant and the food is really too salty, you might complain. You can't return it, so the best you can do is say "hey your food is too salty, I'm not coming back here, and I might even write a bad review online since that meal wasn't cheap either!" But if you go to a restaurant and the food is great, do you keep going back there, telling everyone to stop saying the food is salty, and yell at them and say "WELL I LIKE THE FOOD! YOU'RE TASTE BUDS ARE WRONG! WRONG I SAY!"

No, you don't.

The people who keep wanting to give Bioware a pat on the back and keep saying they like the game are pretty much doing this. If you like it so much, just go and play the damn thing. Just know that the game is not getting as good a reception as Origins. The post release reviews (the only ones that have even a shred of credibility) almost unanimously agree on this point. A lot of people are not happy with it, it's just a fact.

If that makes you upset, then I'm sorry but you are a little insecure and more than a little sad.

Modifié par RohanD, 12 mars 2011 - 05:46 .

[Medhia Nox]

Wow - "RohanD" just used his "Clenched Fist" response on you guys. You're "Renegade" RohanD.

[Drogo45]

I think what we are seeing is the evolution of gaming from a PC Centric niche counter-culture to a more open next gen culture. And the PC Niche folks are having a difficult time of it.

[The Minority]

Byth wrote...

That's ironic, DA:O gets bashed for not being like BG and 2 years later DA2 gets bashed for not being like DA:O. Seems like people will find anything to hate the game.

Not ironic. Hypocritical.

[haberman13]

I'm having the sad realization that I'm getting older.

New music doesn't appeal to me and neither does new Bioware ... maybe that is what is happening, instead of a dumbing down :shrug:

[Garak2]

night0205 wrote...

I agree. Expectations rule people's lives. Which is why I have absolutely zero towards Dragon Age 2... also because you knew from the very beginning it wasn't going to be like Origins. I mean who didn't see this coming? Raise your hand!

Did YOU see that it wasn't going to be like Origins? That would be an expectation too.

Modifié par Garak2, 12 mars 2011 - 05:54 .

[topster88]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

 there will always be zombies who will find something to complain about. I mean, seriously, prime evidence that evolution doesn't exist. You think people would learn that they don't have control over how the game is going to turn out. Yet they continue to launch nukes at the development team. And they're so ungrateful. Bioware gives you an awsome game, yet you throw down because it isn't the same as the other. If you kept getting the same exact phone every time you get an upgrade, would you be happy? No. Because it's paying more money for what you already have. If bioware made DA2 exactly like origins, we would be paying money for what we already have. I played origins. I loved it. I'm playing DA2. I love it just as much. People need to learn.

The game is buggy as hell. The environments are bare and shamelessly copy-pasted. Tactics serve absolutely no benefit. These things are unfogivable problems with the game that could easily have been remedied, but to release the game earlier they figured they should do without all that and instead code a ****-ton of DLC.

This is not nitpciking. All of those issues could have been solved with putting more work into the game.

[Medhia Nox]

*Comedy Mask Response* Unless it was a prophecy that he saw it wasn't going to be like Origins - Garak2.

[RohanD]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Wow - "RohanD" just used his "Clenched Fist" response on you guys. You're "Renegade" RohanD.

haha I'm just honest and I'm just looking at the facts. I see a lot of backlash, and I agree with almost all of it. 

Laidlaw's horribly defensive interview with Eurogamer, the locking out of that guy from his games, the SecuROM lie, the console auto attack lie, the PC detachable camera lie, the day 1 DLC, the reused maps/locations, Inon Zur admitting EA wanted to quickly capitalize on DA:O and rushed DA2 out...the list of failings is so huge. 

If, inspite of all these failings, you like the game...then that's great. I just don't see any reason for those people to come on here and defend the game. It's like...they want to be part of a majority so badly, the need to feel accepted. They feel that majority slipping away and it sets something off inside of them, and they are trying really hard to bend it back to the positive side. So that they can be part of the majority again. 

[Donkeycow]

The complaints against DA: O were no where near what they are for DA2.

[Loc'n'lol]

I remember. I don't remember if it was that bad but I remember it was quite bad. And the first review scores weren't marvelous either. Except those that were "obviously bought off", off course.

[Medhia Nox]

I like the story - I don't like "the game". *shrugs* I'm in a pickle - because I love Origins' story so much and DA:2 is completely tied to Origins.

[tbsking]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

 there will always be zombies who will find something to complain about. I mean, seriously, prime evidence that evolution doesn't exist. You think people would learn that they don't have control over how the game is going to turn out. Yet they continue to launch nukes at the development team. And they're so ungrateful. Bioware gives you an awsome game, yet you throw down because it isn't the same as the other. If you kept getting the same exact phone every time you get an upgrade, would you be happy? No. Because it's paying more money for what you already have. If bioware made DA2 exactly like origins, we would be paying money for what we already have. I played origins. I loved it. I'm playing DA2. I love it just as much. People need to learn.

Collectively, I've spent more than $100 on DAO. I spent sixty on DA2, plus however much The Exiled Prince cost. If I don't have a right to complain about a product I find to be dissatisfactory, who does? I paid for it, I didn't like it, I want it to be known that I didn't like it and that I don't plan to purchase anything else from Bioware until they put out something I do like.

[RohanD]

_Loc_N_lol_ wrote...

I remember. I don't remember if it was that bad but I remember it was quite bad. And the first review scores weren't marvelous either. Except those that were "obviously bought off", off course.

Gamespot review of Origins on PC = 9.5
Gamespot review of DA2 = 8
Gamespot review of FFXIII = 8.5

[Pyrate_d]

while it's true that plenty of people are exaggerating the problems with DA2, it's also not a good thing to act like all the complaints are invalid

there really are problems with the game--many of which could have been predicted just by looking at the short development time

gamespot wrote a pretty reasonable review about why DA2 has problems--but is still a good game

Modifié par Pyrate_d, 12 mars 2011 - 06:08 .

[Coldest]

I love DA2 so far. But no one can deny the amount of recycling done in this game is foul.

[craigdolphin]

Weird. I've been a regular forumite since before ME1 was launched so I recall the DA:O launch quite well. And, yes, there was some complaining: as there always is. But this is rather markedly different in intensity and volume, IMO. I think Bioware have misjudged the depth of feeling this time around, and I think those who 'like' the wholesale changes to DA2 are being a bit too quick to dismiss it as well.

Change is not inherantly bad. But too much, and especially the wrong kind, can actually push people past a threshold beyond which tolerance is hard to find. Bioware has benefitted for many years from a loyal group of fans on the PC platform. I'm wondering whether DA2 will mark a watershed event where a significant fraction of that group will fall out of love with Bioware. And that will have repercussions in the years to come, even if it doesn't dent the sales figures for DA2 itself. Recall that many of those longtime customers were the targets of the early-preorder-deadline marketing campaign. I'm not convinced that those people who currently feel burned will be as forgiving in the future.

Bioware seems not to care about alienating those people: and that's a cluster-fu(dge) of epic proportions, IMO. I'm not convinced that the COD/MOH/Halo gamers that Bioware is lusting after will actually make up the difference in the long run. Those folks care mostly about multiplayer and are extraodinarily critical of level design etc. And they don't seem to give a rip about story: Bioware's major strength (historically speaking).

Moreover, that attitude gives other developers a chance at gaining the attention of fans that were once transfixed by Bioware's every tidbit and crumb of information. For example, CD Project Red seems to epitomize the anthithesis of the 'new' Bioware: anti-DRM, gorgeous graphics, dark and gritty storylines, unafraid of nudity/sex, ... and their PR is clearly not slick marketing-speak drivel like we got for DA2: it's the devs talking about the game and being human and excited about having the chance to do so. Those guys are going to be licking their chops at Bioware shrugging in apparent unconcern while their long time customers start walking away with anger and resentment in their hearts.

So, yeah. We'll see. But this feels very different to me than previous releases. It feels like Bioware is burning some bridges, and they may find that to be a matter of regret in the future.