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[Timtation]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

Timtation wrote...

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

and here comes all the complaints. Honestly, I just wanted to get my message out and have that be the end of it. I really don't feel like arguing opinions, because those kinds of arguments will always end in nothing.

I haven't seen anything irrational posted ITT, and complaints are directly related to what you were talking about. If you think people are just going to let you walk all over their opinions without expressing them for the thousandth time, well, you need a reality check.

I never said anything about irrational. But there are a lot of people who will automatically hat me because I have a different opinion than them lol.

I couldn't possibly hate someone for liking the game unless they were being deliberately antagonistic (it happens, especially on this forum, but it is overshadowed by the hatred from the "trolls" (loose term since apparently I'm one of them)

[robotnist]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

 Why? Let's say that neither boulders gate nor origins ever existed. DA2 is the first bioware of that style that you have ever played. Are you still as disappointed?

The problem is, is that there will always be zombies who will find something to complain about. I mean, seriously, prime evidence that evolution doesn't exist. You think people would learn that they don't have control over how the game is going to turn out. Yet they continue to launch nukes at the development team. And they're so ungrateful. Bioware gives you an awsome game, yet you throw it down because it isn't the same as the other. If you kept getting the same exact phone every time you get an upgrade, would you be happy? No. Because it's paying more money for what you already have. If bioware made DA2 exactly like origins, we would be paying money for what we already have. I played origins. I loved it. I'm playing DA2. I love it just as much. People need to learn to enjoy games as they play them. Go into the game with a fresh mindset. Forget about Origins. Play DA2 for what it is, a whole new game. Don't compare it to Origins. In fact, don't compare it to anything. If you learn how to do this, I promise you will enjoy it even more.

RIGHT ON MAN!!!

i just came here myself to complain about the complaints!!! are people playing the same god damned game as ME?!?!?

because DA2 is effing wonderful!!!

i completely loved DAO, it went straight to my number one all time fave game, and nothing has come close to knocking out out, until now with DA2.

the game is GORGEOUS, the characters are far more life like. the style is tweaked to perfection IMO.

the only complaint that is anywhere near valid is the re-use of sub-plot areas, and to that i say, REALLY?
every area is beautiful. the caves with the glowing blue cielings, and the sunshine glowing in through cracks?

if i had to choose between DAO's "every area is totally different but looks randomly generated" and DA2's "hand crafted to perfection, but used more than once" i will take the latter gladly.

SOLIDARITY!!! those who are enjoying DA2, let bioware know so that when they create more games, they at least have a fair and balanced list of opinions gathered from the community.

and can you believe that ME2 got nearly perfect scores across the board and it hacked out MANY RPG features.
even adam sessler went ape5hit for ME2 when it released and gave it a 5/5. now DA2 comes out, its slims down a few RPG features and adds so many other cool features and he gives it a 3/5? thats a perfect example right there.

if you like RPGs, its nearly a fact that DA2 is more of an RPG than ME2. yet no one complained?
is the vocal minority a console majority that acts like little children when they dont get the game they want? are the peopel complaining the same folks who think borderlands is a full blown RPG and that halo ODST is RPG lite?

because if thats the case and bioware bases their develpment opinions on those fools, were doomed as REAL RPG fans.

(and nothing against those games or folks who play them, i love both of those games. but if thats someones definition of an RPG then theyre misinformed)

[Anathemic]

etherhonky wrote...

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

 Why? Let's say that neither boulders gate nor origins ever existed. DA2 is the first bioware of that style that you have ever played. Are you still as disappointed?

The problem is, is that there will always be zombies who will find something to complain about. I mean, seriously, prime evidence that evolution doesn't exist. You think people would learn that they don't have control over how the game is going to turn out. Yet they continue to launch nukes at the development team. And they're so ungrateful. Bioware gives you an awsome game, yet you throw it down because it isn't the same as the other. If you kept getting the same exact phone every time you get an upgrade, would you be happy? No. Because it's paying more money for what you already have. If bioware made DA2 exactly like origins, we would be paying money for what we already have. I played origins. I loved it. I'm playing DA2. I love it just as much. People need to learn to enjoy games as they play them. Go into the game with a fresh mindset. Forget about Origins. Play DA2 for what it is, a whole new game. Don't compare it to Origins. In fact, don't compare it to anything. If you learn how to do this, I promise you will enjoy it even more.

RIGHT ON MAN!!!

i just came here myself to complain about the complaints!!! are people playing the same god damned game as ME?!?!?

because DA2 is effing wonderful!!!

i completely loved DAO, it went straight to my number one all time fave game, and nothing has come close to knocking out out, until now with DA2.

the game is GORGEOUS, the characters are far more life like. the style is tweaked to perfection IMO.

the only complaint that is anywhere near valid is the re-use of sub-plot areas, and to that i say, REALLY?
every area is beautiful. the caves with the glowing blue cielings, and the sunshine glowing in through cracks?

if i had to choose between DAO's "every area is totally different but looks randomly generated" and DA2's "hand crafted to perfection, but used more than once" i will take the latter gladly.

SOLIDARITY!!! those who are enjoying DA2, let bioware know so that when they create more games, they at least have a fair and balanced list of opinions gathered from the community.

and can you believe that ME2 got nearly perfect scores across the board and it hacked out MANY RPG features.
even adam sessler went ape5hit for ME2 when it released and gave it a 5/5. now DA2 comes out, its slims down a few RPG features and adds so many other cool features and he gives it a 3/5? thats a perfect example right there.

if you like RPGs, its nearly a fact that DA2 is more of an RPG than ME2. yet no one complained?
is the vocal minority a console majority that acts like little children when they dont get the game they want? are the peopel complaining the same folks who think borderlands is a full blown RPG and that halo ODST is RPG lite?

because if thats the case and bioware bases their develpment opinions on those fools, were doomed as REAL RPG fans.

(and nothing against those games or folks who play them, i love both of those games. but if thats someones definition of an RPG then theyre misinformed)

Duncan plays on consoles...

Anyways I am RPG fan, and I find StarCraft 2 more of a RPG than DA2 is.

[Sheogor]

Stating a fact is apparantly hating, i miss Baldurs gate standards, i just left out the next sentence of *I like Dragon Age but id rather it be done in Biowares own timeframe rather than rushed by EA, its just one of those things with Bioware, if we are made to wait, least we know we're waiting for something good that will dazzle us for years to come*

[LuigiDude]

Armatyr wrote...

Scitsce wrote...

80% of people who hate this game are those who want this to be DA:O clone.
i enjoyed game but like some other i have problem with recycled areas but i can take it.
story is better in DA2- my reasons...you dont save the world from ancient gods...reshape world by your whim and everybody is emidietly at your feet and defeat ustopable army in 1year.
in DA2-you start from scratch and first nobody cares about you

it wasnt save the world theres a dialog option from the get go that u can ask about; what if we dont want to save fereldon ( aka not the world just the land of fereldon). reply: then eventually the rest of the grey  wardens willl come to handle the darkspawn but it will be to late for the people of fereldon. therefore no u are not saving the world 2 bioware is known for games about the journey not the goals etc.

just because it gave you a dialog option of your character ASKING about what would happen if you and Alistair did nothing doesn't mean that you had the option to not save the world. You could go through the game not caring about the world all you want, but you were still gonna save it. Period. Why? Because that's what the game was. And no one knows if the other wardens would have been successful.

[tariq071]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

Armatyr wrote...

those of you who are LOVING this game must have some pretty low standards

Or you are foolish enough to have high standards for a sequel.

Now why would they be folish to expect that? BG II was improvement over BG,  and if we go into H&S side Diablo 2 was improvement over Diablo 1.In mentioned cases both games and their sequels were classic, so expectation for sequel is to be at least on par with predecessor.

Why i am upset? Because they are slowly taking away every single deep aspect of RPG from games (not just Bioware) and making action-adventure things out of them.DAO was already showing some signs of that in several ways , so i cannot take it as some golden standard.

Like Buffy- Summers said already, i want complexity and detail in rpg that will give me long time to play, not 25-30 hour action oriented game.For that i can buy some FPS.This game is closer to Assasin Creed games  , then any RPG, and it make bad games like Arcania: a Gothic tale look like good RPG, which is quite unacceptable for me.

When i think RPG i think of BG 1/2, Gothic series (minus 4th one), NWN, Fallout 1/2 and other games on such level, not of AC and their derivates.

[Timtation]

etherhonky wrote...

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

 Why? Let's say that neither boulders gate nor origins ever existed. DA2 is the first bioware of that style that you have ever played. Are you still as disappointed?

The problem is, is that there will always be zombies who will find something to complain about. I mean, seriously, prime evidence that evolution doesn't exist. You think people would learn that they don't have control over how the game is going to turn out. Yet they continue to launch nukes at the development team. And they're so ungrateful. Bioware gives you an awsome game, yet you throw it down because it isn't the same as the other. If you kept getting the same exact phone every time you get an upgrade, would you be happy? No. Because it's paying more money for what you already have. If bioware made DA2 exactly like origins, we would be paying money for what we already have. I played origins. I loved it. I'm playing DA2. I love it just as much. People need to learn to enjoy games as they play them. Go into the game with a fresh mindset. Forget about Origins. Play DA2 for what it is, a whole new game. Don't compare it to Origins. In fact, don't compare it to anything. If you learn how to do this, I promise you will enjoy it even more.

RIGHT ON MAN!!!

i just came here myself to complain about the complaints!!! are people playing the same god damned game as ME?!?!?

because DA2 is effing wonderful!!!

i completely loved DAO, it went straight to my number one all time fave game, and nothing has come close to knocking out out, until now with DA2.

the game is GORGEOUS, the characters are far more life like. the style is tweaked to perfection IMO.

the only complaint that is anywhere near valid is the re-use of sub-plot areas, and to that i say, REALLY?
every area is beautiful. the caves with the glowing blue cielings, and the sunshine glowing in through cracks?

if i had to choose between DAO's "every area is totally different but looks randomly generated" and DA2's "hand crafted to perfection, but used more than once" i will take the latter gladly.

SOLIDARITY!!! those who are enjoying DA2, let bioware know so that when they create more games, they at least have a fair and balanced list of opinions gathered from the community.

and can you believe that ME2 got nearly perfect scores across the board and it hacked out MANY RPG features.
even adam sessler went ape5hit for ME2 when it released and gave it a 5/5. now DA2 comes out, its slims down a few RPG features and adds so many other cool features and he gives it a 3/5? thats a perfect example right there.

if you like RPGs, its nearly a fact that DA2 is more of an RPG than ME2. yet no one complained?
is the vocal minority a console majority that acts like little children when they dont get the game they want? are the peopel complaining the same folks who think borderlands is a full blown RPG and that halo ODST is RPG lite?

because if thats the case and bioware bases their develpment opinions on those fools, were doomed as REAL RPG fans.

(and nothing against those games or folks who play them, i love both of those games. but if thats someones definition of an RPG then theyre misinformed)

This is by far the most odd post I've read on this forum.

[Pandaman102]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

Mister_Shepard wrote...

What they've turned the game into is what people are upset about. Not me though.

You don't get it. They never "turned the game into" anything. DA2 has always been DA2. It IS NOT origins. But people just don't get that.

And what part of "2" do you not get? It was marketed as a sequel and a lot of people judge it as a sequel - I'm among those who think it's a terrible sequel but I've also stated it's a decent spinoff. I'm not alone in this opinion and you obviously agree it's a good enough game on its own rights, but ignoring the opinions of the other side and dismissing it is nothing short of hypocrisy.

[haberman13]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

Mister_Shepard wrote...

What they've turned the game into is what people are upset about. Not me though.

You don't get it. They never "turned the game into" anything. DA2 has always been DA2. It IS NOT origins. But people just don't get that.

You liked Jar Jar didn't you?

[Anathemic]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

Pandaman102 wrote...

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

Mister_Shepard wrote...

What they've turned the game into is what people are upset about. Not me though.

You don't get it. They never "turned the game into" anything. DA2 has always been DA2. It IS NOT origins. But people just don't get that.

And what part of "2" do you not get? It was marketed as a sequel and a lot of people judge it as a sequel - I'm among those who think it's a terrible sequel but I've also stated it's a decent spinoff. I'm not alone in this opinion and you obviously agree it's a good enough game on its own rights, but ignoring the opinions of the other side and dismissing it is nothing short of hypocrisy.

wow I think I'm gonna lose it. What part of "forget about the fact that it's a sequal" do you not understand? I'm not even going to explain. I've explained it at least 3 times on this thread. I hate ignorance.

two  (t)n.1. The cardinal number equal to the sum of 1 + 1.2. The second in a set or sequence.3. Something having two parts, units, or members, especially a playing card, the face of a die, or a domino with two pips.4. A two-dollar bill.

-dictionary.com

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Bolded definition for you.

[Anathemic]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

notice: All further posts directed towards me will be ignored as I am leaving for now. Expect to not get a reply to your complaint for awhile.

You're just sad because StarCraft 2 is more RPG than DA2

[Pandaman102]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

wow I think I'm gonna lose it. What part of "forget about the fact that it's a sequal" do you not understand? I'm not even going to explain. I've explained it at least 3 times on this thread. I hate ignorance.

Did you miss the part where I stated it's a decent game on its own rights? I'm pointing out why there's a lot of justified disappointment and all you can do is cry ignorance?

[Anathemic]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

^Someone who didn't read my other posts. This almost getting funny.

Actually I did

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

a very messy way to state your argument, but okay. I'll play your game.
You don't get what I'm saying. I want people to get away from that
mindset. I understand that sequels generally are expected to live up to
their predecessors. From experience, I learn that this rarely happens.
How do I enjoy the game then? I forget about it. Instead of saying,
"this game isn't as good as 1", I say, "this game is fun." I don't
compare it to it's predecessors. And I think you tripped while you were
climbing down that ladder of yours.

You can't get people out of this mindset do you know why? Because DA2 was advertised as a sequel, therefore it will always be a sequel. When people think Dragon Age 2 they think the sequel to DA:O. You can't cange this. Your not Jesus reincarnated to change the mindsets of millions of people. Stop being arrogant, get rid of your hubris, and think.

[tariq071]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

tariq071 wrote...

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

Armatyr wrote...

those of you who are LOVING this game must have some pretty low standards

Or you are foolish enough to have high standards for a sequel.

Now why would they be folish to expect that? BG II was improvement over BG,  and if we go into H&S side Diablo 2 was improvement over Diablo 1.In mentioned cases both games and their sequels were classic, so expectation for sequel is to be at least on par with predecessor.

Why i am upset? Because they are slowly taking away every single deep aspect of RPG from games (not just Bioware) and making action-adventure things out of them.DAO was already showing some signs of that in several ways , so i cannot take it as some golden standard.

Like Buffy- Summers said already, i want complexity and detail in rpg that will give me long time to play, not 25-30 hour action oriented game.For that i can buy some FPS.This game is closer to Assasin Creed games  , then any RPG, and it make bad games like Arcania: a Gothic tale look like good RPG, which is quite unacceptable for me.

When i think RPG i think of BG 1/2, Gothic series (minus 4th one), NWN, Fallout 1/2 and other games on such level, not of AC and their derivates.

But it's Bioware. Mass Effect 2.

Apples and Oranges.

ME 1 was console action-rpg(well truly it's pure action-adventure,but hey) game with already small amount of rpg features to start with (no pun intended about console thing), so there was not much that was hugely changed in ME2, simply because there was not much there already.

They were both decent games for what they are, but if someone thinks that they are actually true pure RPG , then they are terribly wrong.ME 1/2 is more in line with Stalker games (for example) then RPG.

Modifié par tariq071, 12 mars 2011 - 07:24 .

[Melo The Yellow]

Clearly we could replace Duncan with South Park's Michael Jackson and have the same conversation.

[Xyan]

I don't think you can say that DA2, being a sequel to DAO, be allowed to judge purely as DA2. I know you are trying to explain that by treating them as independent games, we can look pass the disappointments. But the use of the name "DA" contains the notion that they are to follow the same core values of the game. Moreover, the success of DAO provided a branding value to the name "DA". So in using the name DA2, there is also advertising ethics involved.

edit:
PS: I actually liked DA2. It did not meet my expectations for what I expect DA2 to be based on the success of DAO. I deal with my own disappointment in some of the changes and did bring myself to like DA2 a lot. (unlike the disappointment I felt for ciV compared to cIV). I just want to state that not all the complaints are invalid and should be given a fair hearing.

Modifié par Xyan, 12 mars 2011 - 07:31 .

[Dillstu]

I'm loving the game. I know it's different from more traditional RPGs but i enjoy it. Everyone who is hating on it may have legitimate complaints so, go look for a more traditional RPG to fulfill your gaming needs instead of trying to impose your opinion on others. All-in-all I got my money's worth.

[tariq071]

Melo The Yellow wrote...

Clearly we could replace Duncan with South Park's Michael Jackson and have the same conversation.

I don't think that was well placed comment. At least he is willing to make some reasonable argumentation of his view, unlike rest of that small group that claims how DA 2 is second coming of Jesus  and are dissmising anything that doesn't fit in their small window of thinking.

And for healthy change he is not placing blame for  everything negative(like users low grades) on some imaginary conspircy theory against Bioware or EA.

Modifié par tariq071, 12 mars 2011 - 07:30 .

[Anathemic]

Dillstu wrote...

I'm loving the game. I know it's different from more traditional RPGs but i enjoy it. Everyone who is hating on it may have legitimate complaints so, go look for a more traditional RPG to fulfill your gaming needs instead of trying to impose your opinion on others. All-in-all I got my money's worth.

Does StarCraft 2 count as a traditional RPG because imo it had more RPG than DA2 did.

In all seriousness, this is a forum. The purpose of the forum is to post opinions. if you can't handle differing opinions then maybe the forum community isn't the one for you.