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[Melo The Yellow]

tariq071 wrote...

I don't think that was well placed comment. At least he is willing to make some reasonable argumentation of his view, unlike rest of that small group that claims how DA 2 is second coming of Jesus  and are dissmising anything that doesn't fit in their small window of thinking.

And for healthy change he is not placing blame for  everything negative(like users low grades) on some imaginary conspircy theory against Bioware or EA.

Hmm, yes. I ammend my sharp jab; Clearly we could replace that small group with South Park's Michael Jackson and have the same conversation. Forever.

[Ostagar2011]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...
You think people would learn that they don't have control over how the game is going to turn out.

No we do - with out credit cards. No credit card = no sales.  Sale < 5m = rethink. Rethink = some hope they'll actually make a good game next time.

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...
Yet they continue to launch nukes at the development team. And they're so ungrateful.

Why should I be grateful? I paid them money for this game, they did not give it to me at below cost price, or as a gift.

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...
If bioware made DA2 exactly like origins, we would be paying money for what we already have.

No, it could be 60 hours of new locations and a new story and new encounters, without completely throwing out the previous formula. Plus loads of work on balancing (especially between classes), bug removal etc. A bold refresh would have been nice too. A complete redesign on a tight budget is NOT nice.

[DeepRazor]

lol this is the dumbest thread ive seen so far.. since when a 2 is not a SEQUEL???
all ur post saying that is not a sequel is BS TC..
Putting a 2 shows its a sequel not a spinoff..
If bioware wanted it to be a spinoff the my not make it Dragon Age:Rise to power or something..
But by putting a 2 makes it a Direct sequel to DA:O

Do u see Call of duty putting a new number behind and makes it a third person shooter? no..
coz its a SEQUEL and sequel usually follows the route of its predecessor..

GIve me an example of a game that has a new number behind and IS NOT A SEQUEL.. plz TC, give an example besides DA2..

[oldmansavage]

I'll never understand someone asking another to settle for a substandard quality product when the company providing the product is capable of much better.

[ChrisBen]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

 Why? Let's say that neither boulders gate nor origins ever existed. DA2 is the first bioware of that style that you have ever played. Are you still as disappointed?

Yes. This game was obviously not created for people endowed with any semblence of "clarity of mind".
DA2 has no direction. DA2 is ridiculously repetitive. Combat difficulty is inconsistent. The entire game fails to express what it expects of you and the entire product feels schizophrenic, lazy, and incomplete.

[Melo The Yellow]

DeepRazor wrote...

GIve me an example of a game that has a new number behind and IS NOT A SEQUEL.. plz TC, give an example besides DA2..

Fallout 3.

[tariq071]

Melo The Yellow wrote...

DeepRazor wrote...

GIve me an example of a game that has a new number behind and IS NOT A SEQUEL.. plz TC, give an example besides DA2..

Fallout 3.

Apples and oranges again...3 is made by completely different company then 1 and 2 , that bought brand name.Two companies, two completely differenty ideologies.

Here we have same company making both games.

[Dillstu]

Anathemic wrote...

Dillstu wrote...

I'm loving the game. I know it's different from more traditional RPGs but i enjoy it. Everyone who is hating on it may have legitimate complaints so, go look for a more traditional RPG to fulfill your gaming needs instead of trying to impose your opinion on others. All-in-all I got my money's worth.

Does StarCraft 2 count as a traditional RPG because imo it had more RPG than DA2 did.

In all seriousness, this is a forum. The purpose of the forum is to post opinions. if you can't handle differing opinions then maybe the forum community isn't the one for you.

I understand what you are saying and  i am not a big forum person. /what i mean is that i enjoyed the game.
Just a simple stating of which side im on.

[Deylar]

To answer your question, yes. I am slightly disappointed in this game. Picked it up on Tuesday, finished it tonight Friday. Some would say I didn't do all the sidequest and I did. And I even completed all the companion quest as well. There just wasn't enough meat in this game. Its like someone handed me an already chewed chicken wing and told me to pick the rest of the meat of the bone. Most of the meat is gone and I am only cleaning up scraps. For sixty dollars, this wasn't worth it.

[wildcard4542000]

I wonder if you were able to keep a straight face when you came up with this thread? Are you seriously trying to say that this is a good game?

Look at my post history, I never started posting on the forums here before DAII came out, the reason I started is because I came here to see WTH WENT WRONG WITH THIS GAME! Now I don't normally troll or belittle others opinions, but you have got to be wearing blinders if you cannot see the issues with DAII. I don't even know where to begin.

Anyway the answer to your question is no. After playing the demo, I would have passed on this game and not looked back.

[Melo The Yellow]

tariq071 wrote...

Apples and oranges again...3 is made by completely different company then 1 and 2 , that bought brand name.Two companies, two completely differenty ideologies.

Here we have same company making both games.

Well, he did simply say to mention a game that is numbered and isn't a sequel and many people consider New Vegas to be the sequel to the first 2, despite the name. 3 while following after 2, takes place in the opposite side of the country relative to Fallout 1 and 2, so the similarities aren't set in stone. There's also the change from top-down rpg elements to FPS-RPG that made it vastly different.

[Darji]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

 Why? Let's say that neither boulders gate nor origins ever existed. DA2 is the first bioware of that style that you have ever played. Are you still as disappointed?

The problem is, is that there will always be zombies who will find something to complain about. I mean, seriously, prime evidence that evolution doesn't exist. You think people would learn that they don't have control over how the game is going to turn out. Yet they continue to launch nukes at the development team. And they're so ungrateful. Bioware gives you an awsome game, yet you throw it down because it isn't the same as the other. If you kept getting the same exact phone every time you get an upgrade, would you be happy? No. Because it's paying more money for what you already have. If bioware made DA2 exactly like origins, we would be paying money for what we already have. I played origins. I loved it. I'm playing DA2. I love it just as much. People need to learn to enjoy games as they play them. Go into the game with a fresh mindset. Forget about Origins. Play DA2 for what it is, a whole new game. Don't compare it to Origins. In fact, don't compare it to anything. If you learn how to do this, I promise you will enjoy it even more.

Sorry buts thats just stupid....

You always should have higher expectations than for the first game. Sequel means , more better, more polished and not shorter, total different and rushed.

Stop defending Bioware/EA they failed horribly and they should now get the full "hate". Only when people fail things can change to the better. If you let them ass with this game they thinnk they can do anything and you still would buy it.

[Eterna]

Buffy-Summers wrote...

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

 Why? Let's say that neither boulders gate nor origins ever existed. DA2 is the first bioware of that style that you have ever played. Are you still as disappointed?

The problem is, is that there will always be zombies who will find something to complain about. I mean, seriously, prime evidence that evolution doesn't exist. You think people would learn that they don't have control over how the game is going to turn out. Yet they continue to launch nukes at the development team. And they're so ungrateful. Bioware gives you an awsome game, yet you throw it down because it isn't the same as the other. If you kept getting the same exact phone every time you get an upgrade, would you be happy? No. Because it's paying more money for what you already have. If bioware made DA2 exactly like origins, we would be paying money for what we already have. I played origins. I loved it. I'm playing DA2. I love it just as much. People need to learn to enjoy games as they play them. Go into the game with a fresh mindset. Forget about Origins. Play DA2 for what it is, a whole new game. Don't compare it to Origins. In fact, don't compare it to anything. If you learn how to do this, I promise you will enjoy it even more.

I throw it down cause its not an RPG in MY OPINION

 Why? RPG means role playing game. How does shifting through tedious menu's and customizing companions make it a valid RPG?

[Deylar]

You always should have higher expectations than for the first game. Sequel means , more better, more polished and not shorter, total different and rushed.

Thank you. I don't know what people's notions are, but I always expect higher from the sequel. Because the sequel is suppose to fix the isuses of the first and the sequel should surpass the greatness that was the first one. A sequel should be more polished and given more effort and attention.

I shouldn't be given a desert of a game. I should be given a forest.

[Pandaman102]

He probably would have had a better response if he didn't come out swinging by calling people with legitimate concerns ungrateful and implying they were ignorant for expecting anything else. I know my tone would have certainly been less confrontational if he wasn't preaching from some hollow high horse, especially since our positions aren't that far apart.

[Eterna]

Anathemic wrote...

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

and here comes all the complaints. Honestly, I just wanted to get my message out and have that be the end of it. I really don't feel like arguing opinions, because those kinds of arguments will always end in nothing.

Your on a forum buddy, y'know the place where opinions are posted? If you don't like opinions I suggest you get out.

does anyone like opinions? I like them when they're the same as mine lol. I respect them if they aren't, unless they are total troll bs. Which I'm used to dealing with so whatever. I was expecting this kind of feedback. Trust me. And I was ready for it. Obviously.

Ready for this kind of feed back huh?

StarCraft 2 is the better RPG than DA2, no troll, I truly believe this. Care to challenge me?

 You must be daft, Starcraft is a RTS game.

[nwnrogue]

first of all I don't hate this game, It just lacks a lot of the features that i loved in DA:O. Multiple Intros, multiple endings, playing different races, and all the choices that DA:0 had. That is what i expected.  What I got was Medival Mass Effect. Which is good for what it is, but lacking for a Dragon Age Game. Orgins, Awakings and the rest of DLC kept these things.

I will enjoy it for what it is, I do hope the go back to the orginal formula if there is a DA3.

[Melo The Yellow]

Eterna5 wrote...

 Why? RPG means role playing game. How does shifting through tedious menu's and customizing companions make it a valid RPG?

Choices.

Choices are what make an RPG what it is; an RPG.

The choice to dismiss one character for another.
The choice to do wrong from right, right from wrong.
The choice to fight with steel, magic or simply taking the diplomatic route.
The choice to chose how your character grows, will they be a little stronger or be a little smarter?

I felt I had no choice in my outlook of Dragon Age 2.

[Deylar]

I missed being able to customize my companion. Or my party. Maybe I didn't want Vardic to carry Bianca, but another weapon. Maybe I didn't like Ander's robes, so I wanted to change them.

RPG is all about freedom and choice.

Also, I liked talking to my companions in a middle of a quest. Not visiting them at their house. I mean how often is a hero of the world going to really make time to stop by someone's house to just talk?

[Tugnificent]

 Well yeah, if DA2 was my very first title I would be ecstatic about how awesome the game is. But thats the point and the main argument why people are complaining about DA2: That it is not Bioware's first title and that they had oppurtunitiy to build on the successes with Origins and vastly improve gameplay while retaining its RPG roots. What was presented instead was a lobotomized version of Origins with improved combat and level up system. Which is alright I suppose, but its not what many have come to expect. 

Think of it this way, a restaurant first served me a delicious fliet mignon when I went to their restaurant for the first time. After getting ecstatic about the delicious food they serve, I return again as soon as I hear they have developed a new dish. Instead what I get is a greasy burger. Sure the burger is delicious in its own way and has redeeming qualities, but I went in expecting cuisine instead of simply a burger, and this burger is definitely not as good as a steak. Now think of that burger costing me 59.99.... and... well you get the point.

[Darji]

nwnrogue wrote...

first of all I don't hate this game, It just lacks a lot of the features that i loved in DA:O. Multiple Intros, multiple endings, playing different races, and all the choices that DA:0 had. That is what i expected.  What I got was Medival Mass Effect. Which is good for what it is, but lacking for a Dragon Age Game. Orgins, Awakings and the rest of DLC kept these things.

I will enjoy it for what it is, I do hope the go back to the orginal formula if there is a DA3.

Yeah the buz wouldnt be so big if they used this system for a new IP called Dragon Effect or so. But a Sequel should always be combared to the games before.

[arathor_87]

I.AM.DUNCAN wrote...

 Why? Let's say that neither boulders gate nor origins ever existed. DA2 is the first bioware of that style that you have ever played. Are you still as disappointed?

The problem is, is that there will always be zombies who will find something to complain about. I mean, seriously, prime evidence that evolution doesn't exist. You think people would learn that they don't have control over how the game is going to turn out. Yet they continue to launch nukes at the development team. And they're so ungrateful. Bioware gives you an awsome game, yet you throw it down because it isn't the same as the other. If you kept getting the same exact phone every time you get an upgrade, would you be happy? No. Because it's paying more money for what you already have. If bioware made DA2 exactly like origins, we would be paying money for what we already have. I played origins. I loved it. I'm playing DA2. I love it just as much. People need to learn to enjoy games as they play them. Go into the game with a fresh mindset. Forget about Origins. Play DA2 for what it is, a whole new game. Don't compare it to Origins. In fact, don't compare it to anything. If you learn how to do this, I promise you will enjoy it even more.

So people can't dislike a game anymore? Or do you think people bought the game just to say it sucks? Of course they want the game to be good, but their opinion count as much as yours. The player reviews around the web is not as good as the first one and thats a fact. Only because its Bioware it doesn't mean that they can fail sometimes. They are only humans and no gods even if some of you think they are.

As much as people has to respect your opinion you have to respect theirs to. And you have to compare it to DA:O a little since its the same world.

I'm one of the dissapointed players, DA:O had some flaws and maybe not as fast combat as DA2. But for me DA:O is twice as good so far in other aspects. And I spent my money on a CE, so belive me I was open minded. So far DA 2 gets 5/10 from me. 

And you cant compare a cellphone with a videogame, its two different things.

Modifié par arathor_87, 12 mars 2011 - 08:23 .

[Morogrem]

honestly, if dao never came out this would have beenmore like dragon age origins, and that wouldve been slow.

and for my opinion on this game, it opens excellently, then slows to a crawl until the end of the first act, after that it feels kinda like youre playing through seasons of rome, like the tv show. in other words I really like this games. I think they limited it in a few places they shouldnt have (like taking away your ability to upgrade chest unlocking, your persuasiveness, etc.) which was pretty disappointing, but overall I like the game.

also theres some wierd continuity things. like when you start referencing a witch youve never fought, or when ur uncle starts talking about your sister being locked up in the chantry even though shes a grey warden... stuff like that.

reiterating, I like the game but it definetly couldve done with some more time in the oven, both for the sake of gameplay and for the sake of the writing.

Modifié par Morogrem, 12 mars 2011 - 08:23 .

[Encarmine]

The games goodish, good enough to play, in comparison to current aternatives.
I cant shake the feeling of finding myself wishing it was my warden with a voice, as when i think about it, I wouldnt of found it immersion breaking voicing my warden/s. Maybe i was expecting too much due to the depth and richness of the different backgrounds and alternate ending possibilities of Origins.
Also, I like the new enviroments, they do feel very linier, but i think that may be down to the fact the map makes that very clear, as Origins wasnt extactly a free roaming landscape despite looking slightly like one.
Then the last final small bit that take a little of the shine away, lack of cool death sequences, the 'slow mo kills' i was half expecting some cool cutscene kills to replace them watching human npc's fall into pieces is silly.

[arathor_87]

Dillstu wrote...

I'm loving the game. I know it's different from more traditional RPGs but i enjoy it. Everyone who is hating on it may have legitimate complaints so, go look for a more traditional RPG to fulfill your gaming needs instead of trying to impose your opinion on others. All-in-all I got my money's worth.

This is what I mean. Only because other people doesn't love this game they have no right to post on this forum? How can Bioware improve if they remove all the bad critics. I will finish this game but I'm dissapointed. Or do you think I spend alot of my money on a CE just to complain? I'm not that rich you know..