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[FierachEredasSoulchiou]

Spoilers obviously.

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So anyway, at the very end of all things, when reason failed, and push came to shove, why did your Hawke do what he/she did?

I feel that, for my male warrior Hawke, at the very end, he could've easily sided with the Templars despite having done a mostly pro-mage game. Here he is, a champion for advocating the rights of mages, believing that the actions of the few does not justify the persecution of the many, trying so hard to hold the fragile peace, when all of a sudden. "GODDAMNIT ANDERS".

Betrayed by the very sort of person he believed in, I think my Hawke might've very well have killed Anders on the spot or joined the Templars (Bioware, we need a "punch Anders in the face screaming, "WHY DID YOU LET ME DOWN SO BADLY" option), if it weren't for one thing. His sister in the Circle.

You know, having protected his younger sister his whole life, losing his younger brother Carver to the Ogre, and tragically losing his mother to the serial killer made me think that, to Hawke, both causes did not matter to him anymore after what Anders did. All that really mattered now was that he keep the last member of his family, his sister, safe. And that was my Hawke (or my) reasoning for siding with the mages still.

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So why did you guys do what you do?

[Beren082]

mages, Because there was no "F*** it, I'm done" option.

But seriously, Meredith was clearly either power hungry or out of her mind (turns out it was the latter). My Hawke was never a big fan of the Chantry, and we essentially ended up destroying the Circle as well, so that was the "F*** it, I'm done" option. I had to fight my way through that got get to sail away with Isabella, and all the Templars in the world couldn't keep me from that booty.

[Jaws_Victim]

Its a very moral grey area here, but the Templars are still the ones most at fault. They lock up the mages, take liberties with them, make them tranquil, and then kill them. At the very end, Meredith tried to kill ALL Of the mages, for ANDERS' crime.

Completely wiping out the mages because of Anders is wrong, therefore the Templars are in the wrong.

I played both endings, siding first with the Templars, and hated myself for destroying innocent mages. I saw a lot of them were using blood magic, but what choice did they have? They were being systematically slaughtered.

Orsino is a total ass for using blood magic when you side with him, and that shouldn't have happened, but both of the faction leaders have to die I guess. The mages are the ones that are in the right, however marginally more than the Templars. Even your mothers murder was done by a lone apostate, not mages in general.

[Taiyama]

My first Hawke sided with the mages, no contest. He was so brutally COMPLETELY disappointed in both Anders and especially Orsino. When Orsino used that abominable magic I was screaming "DAMN IT, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AN EXAMPLE TO YOUR FOLLOWERS!" So he's left to be their leader, to save them, and to be the one example of how a mage doesn't need to be controlled and can do a lot of good. His dreams of becoming Viscount are dashed by one selfless act of heroism and he flees with Merrill to Maker knows where.

[True Zarken]

I am pretty much in the same boat as the OP. The only thing at that point during the game was to Protect my sister and my romance (Isabela) My Male Warrior Hawke didn't care about anything at the time. He just wanted to make sure the two people in his life were safe.

Made me happy when Varric said everyone left the Champion at one point or another... But Isabela.

[Rogue Relampago]

I was surprised at what Anders had done but I thought it was totally in character for him. He and Justice had been planning this for a long time. He had clearly made up his mind that he didn't want any compromise when it came to dealing with the Templars and Chantry. He made that clear repeatedly throughout the story.

Also, on Orsino, he mentioned the name of the same mage who killed your mother and many others. He knew what that mage had been doing for a very long time. He was aware of that mage had been "researching". Orsinio didn't just decide to become corrupt. It was corrupt to begin with and his corruption only grew as his frustration with the Templars did.

[Oneiropolos]

Sebastian's reaction at seeing his own mother-like figure die after a mage killed my mother figure (and turns out, Orsino HELPED that mage with that sort of research) made me have to choose to knife Anders. The Anders even during the Third act was not the Anders of the First, or Awakening. He was gone. There was only a man growing more and more insane before he eventually would become a true abomination... and maybe, in the human sense of the word, he had already become an abomination by murdering everyone in the Chantry in an act of terrorism. He didn't blow up a building. If the Chantry had been empty, if I had even had a chance to warn everyone to get out, or if he had the decency to also include something in his ploy that would safe guard the lives of those in the Chantry or lure them all out and then blow it up... then maybe I would have seen things differently. But that's not what happened. Anders dug his own grave, and I hated it, but he had to go to it. After also seeing blood mages go continually insane throughout the last Act, I sided with the templars. Not because I wanted the Rite to be completed, but because I thought maybe if I went with the Templars, I'd have the chance to get the ones who don't resort to blood magic out more than I would. It wasn't like siding with the mages was going to stop Meredith alone. There was going to be a battle. Both sides were going to have loss. Meredith was insane but I thought maybe going along, I could temper her insanity. Which... ended up being exactly what happened. So I was glad I sided with the Templars.

I do agree it would have been harder if Bethany had been in the circle for me instead of the Grey Wardens. But Unless there was a chance on the mage side to get in and get your sister out and get the freak out yourself and let the two sides destroy each other, I would have had trouble picking the mages still.

[Darkwingduck]

I played as a mage who had been pro-mages the whole game and I think it came to what could happen if she didn't keep helping them. They were obviously going to take the blame for what Anders did and things were never going to improve for them under a stricter Templar command, not just Kirkwall mages but all mages. So instead of crawling back to those that had alway sough to oppress her, Hawke fought back.

[DieHigh2012]

I was a warrior on my first and I sided with the mages, Only for the sake of my sister.

The templars were wrong for abusing the mages and backing then into a corner, but the are wrong for resorting to blood magic and demons. The whole they are being evil so I can be evil argument does not work.

I killed Anders. What a d*ck, I actually liked the guy until he went all Osama on me. He did one of two things ether

a) the mages win and due to thier previous treatment take power and rule ruthlessly. (look at the apparently high percentage of "good innocent mages" that were using blood magic and summoning demons)

The templars win and all mages are tranquil from then on (even though I sided with the mages after seeing all that blood magic and demon summoning, Even the first enchanter for goodness sake, I think that this should happen now)

[GRX Dragon]

For my first playthrough, playing with a warrior that sided with the mages. When everything came to fruition, I felt choosing sides was beneath me - that they should duke it amongst themselves. But upon being forced to choose sides, I went with the mages because they were initially provoked. Finally, after Ander's stunt, I recognized that if the mages wanted freedom bad enough, someone - AKA, Anders - has to die for it.

[TheJediSaint]

  Much like everyone else on the thread, I assumed Hawke's primary motivation to be the protection of his family and his new home. Since Bethany ended up in the circle, standing up for the mages circle meant standing up for her.  My Hawke also romanced Merrill, adding further incentive to him being biased towards mages.
  
   That meant Hawke trying to keep the peace while gently nugging the Templars to ease up on the mages.  However, thanks to Ander, the crap hit the fan and my Hawke ended up siding with the magers against the templars.

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 12 mars 2011 - 02:21 .

[Minaach]

For my female Hawke I had actually romanced Anders by accident (wasn't paying attention and then BAM love) then he went and blew up the chantry and I was like YOU SON OF A ****!! REALLY?!?!? .../facepalm. But because of my sister, I sided with the mages.

[jarnaez]

In my first playthrough Bethany died in the deep roads so I didn't have that detail hanging over me. by the end of Act II I was ready to burn the chantry down myself for sparking the Qunari war and getting so many killed because of potential conversions. However Act III did not help the mages' side at all. Everywhere I went there were blood mages and demons being summoned popping up, and every person who was trying to help the mages gain more freedom (Ser Thrask in particular) ended up getting killed by the people they were trying to help. I had developed a good relationship with Cullen despite being pro-mage for quite a while and he seemed to come around and doubt Meredith's direction so I felt there was hope to take her down. When Anders pulled his brilliant plan, it was difficult to pick, but I sided with the templars on the reason that the Kirkwall circle in particular had proved itself very corrupt. This was reflected well in dialogue as well, that the mages should be our brothers and sisters, that this should never have had to happen. but now they were too far gone. Even going through, I made sure that Hawke spared any non corrupt mages he saw, and at the end Cullen stood with us against Meredith.

I do wish the Mage side turned out much differently because as is it really feels like it's forcing you onto the wrong side. The ideals are right but that circle is too corrupt to go on, albeit because of Meredith's draconian measures. There should be more variation than encounter order.

[Hellosanta]

I was mostly pro-mage, because I always kept Anders in my party and his personal quest was very .. pro-mage. But I had to side with the templars at the end because my only family, Carver was templar. My Hawke romanced with Isabella, so romance didn't count on which side to support.
I think I should make my sibling to be a warden next time.

[Shadedclan]

Damn! I was really shocked at the ending! What the f*** did my Champion do?! His actions led to the Circle mages uprising and now the world is at brink of war. Now how am I suppose to save the world this time? It's not as easy as just killing everyone now. And how will the Wardens fit into all of this? Leliana mentioned something that the Warden is also gone. Was it Bethany/Carver? Or the Hero of Ferelden, well she could have said that instead. Anyway, man this is deep s*** right now. And I also like to point out Sebastian. I'm not sure if you can get him to be with you till the very end but still what he will do can also make some drastic changes. I thought that Sebastian needed to be in the game rather than a dlc.

[Hellosanta]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

I was a warrior on my first and I sided with the mages, Only for the sake of my sister.

The templars were wrong for abusing the mages and backing then into a corner, but the are wrong for resorting to blood magic and demons. The whole they are being evil so I can be evil argument does not work.

I killed Anders. What a d*ck, I actually liked the guy until he went all Osama on me. He did one of two things ether

a) the mages win and due to thier previous treatment take power and rule ruthlessly. (look at the apparently high percentage of "good innocent mages" that were using blood magic and summoning demons)

The templars win and all mages are tranquil from then on (even though I sided with the mages after seeing all that blood magic and demon summoning, Even the first enchanter for goodness sake, I think that this should happen now)

Oh god, yes. I was so disappointed at the Circle that was flooded with blood magic and demons. I was going to side with my gonna-be-a-cannon hawke, but I'm not sure anymore ... Although I don't think blood magic is inheritly evil, turnning in to a demon or summoning them is not good. 

[DarkSpider88]

When the Chantry blew up Anders had to die for making me his tool. I had to side with my sister Bethany, the best mage in the game. I liked her character so much I hope she is a companion again the DA3. Besides like frenchie mage boy I couldn't let her die a virgin lol.

So killed some templers and went got booty on the high seas, both kinds.

[chester013]

Rogue Relampago wrote...

I was surprised at what Anders had done but I thought it was totally in character for him. He and Justice had been planning this for a long time. He had clearly made up his mind that he didn't want any compromise when it came to dealing with the Templars and Chantry. He made that clear repeatedly throughout the story.

Also, on Orsino, he mentioned the name of the same mage who killed your mother and many others. He knew what that mage had been doing for a very long time. He was aware of that mage had been "researching". Orsinio didn't just decide to become corrupt. It was corrupt to begin with and his corruption only grew as his frustration with the Templars did.

Also in the murderers lair, there's a note from a circle mage who sent him the books signed "O" not conclusive evidence in itself but given what we know about Orsino at the end it's him for sure.

Does knowing this affect your choice? On my first playthough it didn't stop me (a mage) from siding with the mages. For all the mages faults, you cannot blame the whole for the crimes of a few and since I was a mage siding with the templars would untilately mean what for me?

[Rizaun]

I only sided with the mages because of Bethany, i couldn't turn on her, the last real family i had (screw you uncle Gamlen!) and because i was hoping to kill Meredith, how did she dare to have a cooler looking sword than me? preposterous! she had to die!

I wanted to kill Anders, he was so annoying but he was my healer, so i let him leave and so Robin Hood left my party. This time, i'm making a mage with some healing spells so... Anders is gonna get it!

[Maria Caliban]

I was very pro-mages as I played a mage myself and was raised to think of Templars/the Circle as a oppressive organization. I sided with the Templars in the end, however, because it was obvious something was horribly wrong with the Kirkwall Circle and because the death of a beloved Grand Cleric could only lead to death. It's very likely the mages would have been killed anyway by an angry mob or Exalted March.

[rma2110]

Massive spoilers ....

My warrior Hawke sided with the Templars. She was so very close to peaceful resolution. Meredith was about to be overthrown and a pro-mage Templar was about take over. Templars and mages working together and then ..... BOOOM! Any chance of a peaceful resolution was taken away. Anders killed the only leader I respect. Damn you to hell Anders. Even Bethany stood with me against the mages when she found out what Orsiono had done.

My next playthrough will be a fanatical mage who is with Anders all the way. I named her Faith. I like the irony of someone named Faith standing against the chantry and almost destroying it.

[Archdemon Cthulhu]

My male magehawke romanced Anders, and was aggressively pro-mage all the way through the game. When Anders blew up the chantry it made for a really tragic moment and made all of his dialogue make sense from earlier. It tore at him, but he had to side with the mages becuase he was a mage, and there was no way in hell he was letting some bull**** like the right of anullment happen ever on his watch, regardless of circumstances. He even let Anders live because he still loved him. So I guess at the end they're probably two freedom fighters, taking down the chantry off in the free marches somewhere. Carver had been a templar, but it didnt really factor in as Hawke felt betrayed by his family when he joined originally. It was nice when he chose to fight againtst Meredith at the end though, didnt expect that.

My second Hawke was a female warrior. Bethany died in the deep roads, and then her mother died from the work of a blood mage. She saw Merrill's obsession with the eluvian and blood magic end up destroying he entire clan, so when anders pulled the trigger, it was the last straw. She had zero sympathy for the mages at that point, since all they ever brought to her was misery and death.

[MortalEngines]

 My male mage was very torn. Betrayed by his best friend and manipulated into creating the very war he wanted to avoid as well as the death of one of the few people he truly respected (Grand Cleric). Had it no being for Merrill's suggestion that Anders make up for what he had caused, my Hawke would of killed him for what he had done.

He was also thinking of joining the Templars, after witnessing how much desturction the new free mages had caused, most of which had transformed into abomination or turned into blood mages. However, Meredith's call for the right of annulment was a step to far in the Champion's eyes, you couldn't blame the moves of one apostate on an entire circle of mages. In order to protect, what he saw as innocents, he sided with the mages.

The champion regretted his decision however upon learning that Orsino had known about his mother's killer, was willing to turn to the blood magic he had previously critiqued and that most of the innocents Hawke was protecting were blood mages themselves. But it was already to late...

The Champion, Felix Hawke, was just glad that in the end, his brother Carver stood at his side, along with all the companions he made over the years, Isabela, Varric, Merrill, Aveline, Fenris and...Anders.

Modifié par MortalEngines, 15 mars 2011 - 07:21 .

[Tsarapihelas]

Very generous, kind hearted. Diplomatic personality. Never killed anyone unless he had to defend himself... always believed in second chances. Idunna, Anders, etc. No matter how badly the subject deserved to die, all my Hawke could see was his mother and sister's faces when they died, knowing that if they forgave him despite the fact that he let both of them down, he could extend that courtesy to others.

Really like the story... just an absolute tragedy what happens to the Champion, though. tl;dr My Hawke was very much a Kirkwall 'Messiah'.

Played as a mage. Loved it.

Modifié par Tsarapihelas, 15 mars 2011 - 07:27 .

[Foolsfolly]

I choose the Mages.

I realize this choice was based on the general assumption that they weren't all Blood Mages....the finale kinda shows you that they're all Blood Mages. Also, Dragon Age: Origins already had me against the Templars in the first place. There's bad mages but the majority of them are good people.

Even Hawke generally thought this, for my first character (who also happened to be a mage). And it didn't make sense to oppose all these people because sickos and madmen exist in their ranks. And I extremely disliked the Templar Commander and thought she was only after more power.

So...it was protect oppressed people and stop a power grab.

And then everyone's a blood mage and there's demons everywhere. I felt betrayed by every mage in Kirkwall. Although, I haven't finished a second playthrough I've been reading that you still have to kill the Enchanter and Commander at the end if you side with the Templars.

Kinda...sad that they're both crazy and corrupt regardless.