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[Tails_Night]

I used the Bloom axe until I gave anders the Sword of Mercy, I wish i could find some meniacle, psycho or dark looking blade to replace the bloom.

[KyokushinTruth]

I personally like the archon dlc sword for the warrior pack the best

[nuclearpengu1nn]

Empress's Point from Item Pack DLC because it levels up with you

[mokponobi]

GreyWarden36 wrote...

Empress's Point from Item Pack DLC because it levels up with you

Edge of Night, 1 handed sword with spirit damage does level up with you. Empress point does not it is a level 17 two handed sword.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/The_Empress's_Point

Editado por mokponobi, 11 julio 2011 - 06:28 .

[Hsien]

would the emperess point be better than the other end game 2h weapons? it has slightly higher base dmg at 40 and 2 sockets plus a bunch of pretty good stats

[mr_afk]

probably not. the problem is that it has physical damage.
- physical damage has to face armour (significantly reducing damage)
- doesn't have any enemy elemental weaknesses (no double damage)
- deals knockback instead of (imo) more useful force effects like freezing, stunning etc.
- the +%physical damage modifiers available are less than +%elemental
- 2 rune slots are good (can fit in a rune of devastation and the primeval lyrium rune) but lots of the other 2H weapons have rune slots

the advantage is that it doesn't have any elemental immunities so if you don't ever want to swap weapons I suppose it could be useful. on lower difficulties this isn't an issue so there's even more reason to stick with an elemental weapon like bloom.

[Bazedragon]

mr_afk wrote...

probably not. the problem is that it has physical damage.
- physical damage has to face armour (significantly reducing damage)
- doesn't have any enemy elemental weaknesses (no double damage)
- deals knockback instead of (imo) more useful force effects like freezing, stunning etc.
- the +%physical damage modifiers available are less than +%elemental
- 2 rune slots are good (can fit in a rune of devastation and the primeval lyrium rune) but lots of the other 2H weapons have rune slots

the advantage is that it doesn't have any elemental immunities so if you don't ever want to swap weapons I suppose it could be useful. on lower difficulties this isn't an issue so there's even more reason to stick with an elemental weapon like bloom.

The knockback could come in quite handy on higher difficulty settings, if the enemy is resistant to freezing or stunning.

Don't think there's a "best" as such. Way I see it, you're probably better off trying to hold a variety for changing situations. If you set up a fire axe, and find the enemy is highly resistant to fire, what use is it?

[Robhuzz]

Best 2 handed weapon? To me it's definitly The Celebrant. Dropped by one of the revenants on sundermount in act 3. Damage wise it's not the best but it deals spirit damage, which is always nice, as well as boost willpower and strenght by +3. Good weapon for a tank too, as it increases threat by 21%

[mr_afk]

@Bazedragon - Yep you're right. But I think you're also somewhat missing the point. The issue isn't about the different force effects, it's about damage. And elemental weapons simply deal more damage. The only exception to that rule may be Hawke's key (if you get it at a high level). No matter the difficulty, the higher the damage the better.

As you mentioned, the problem is that enemies are immune to certain elements on nightmare- this means that even though bloom may be the best weapon damage-wise (ignores armour, has pretty nice modifiers and rune slots) it would still deal zero damage. This means that you would have to swap to another weapon, ideally the second best.
The other consideration is elemental weaknesses. Against shades, sundering will deal twice as much damage as the other weapons. This means that even if your lyrium rune is in another weapon it may be better to use sundering (so switching weapons to match elemental weaknesses).
But as physical damage doesn't ever have any elemental weaknesses it will never be better to use physical damage instead of the right elemental weakness. However not everybody likes switching weapons (especially with the absence of weapon sets) so physical damage may appeal to those not looking to face immunities.

But the idea is that you would switch between elemental weapons and never face any immunities:
Bloom (cold dmg), Sundering (electricity dmg), Celebrant (spirit dmg) should fit your elemental needs.

And the only reason why you should decide on a 'best' is because you only have one primeval lyrium rune - and that rune will make any almost high-end weapon the 'best'.


If you really wanted to go physical damage, hawke's key (from legacy) would probably be the best (assuming you get it at a high level). Knockback can be useful, but it is in effect knocking enemies out of reach. This means that you take longer to kill enemies and isn't that desirable. But in general trying to match enemy non-elemental immunities is a little pointless.

@Robhuzz  - Besides the issue of immunities, the celebrant has the issue of spirit damage been harder to buff and only one rune slot. Basically cold damage can get an easy +24% from the robes of unblemished cleanliness and has ~16% built into the axe (+40% cold damage). Additionally, its two rune slots allow for a rune of devastation (+10% damage). Sundering has an issue with no runeslots but makes up for it by allowing a potential +48% (from the RoUC and the ring of the ferryman) and has extra electricity damage (~10%) and critical chance and damage.

The celebrant's strength and willpower boost don't really make up for the lack of +%spirit damage (about ~15% max available from generic robes and a further ~5% from each accessory). But if you want to kill the end bosses faster you could consider putting the lyrium rune into it, because the celebrant will almost certainly be one of the best final boss weapons (the other been bloom) due to templar spirit weaknesses

Editado por mr_afk, 31 julio 2011 - 09:13 .

[Robhuzz]

@mr_afk

You've clearly given this a lot more thought than I have. Possibly since I play the game on normal difficulty and it's simply not necessary to have lots added bonus damage and other extras in order to defeat even powerful bosses. Next time I reach act 3 I'll look into the other weapons you mentioned. Do some more experimenting :-)

[mr_afk]

lol not really. that was all off the top of my head- and i was multitasking some DA2 at the same time as well. but i suppose i've played quite a lot of min-maxed builds/quite a lot fullstop. :/
Hmmm and I don't even min-max to defeat bosses. I do it to see pretty numbers hahaha

but yeah, experimenting is the best

Editado por mr_afk, 31 julio 2011 - 10:00 .

[mesmerizedish]

Taking the advice of the worst player has been scientifically proven to cause shrinkage of the breasts and/or testicles. Also death.

[mr_afk]

i like how the side effects are so indiscriminatory haha

[nuclearpengu1nn]

The Hawkes key

[Hsien]

How does the ignore armor trait on the Hawke's key work? Will this mean that you will be doing full physical damage on mobs since i assume armor is what is causing the dps loss on physical damage dealing weapons?

[mr_afk]

the main dps loss is from the lack of elemental weaknesses (essentially a +100% damage that they miss out on).

the ignore armour trait would rectify the damage loss due to armour- but elemental weapons against elemental weaknesses will still be superior. unless the level 27 hawke key has a ridiculously high base damage that is.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

Hsien wrote...

How does the ignore armor trait on the Hawke's key work? Will this mean that you will be doing full physical damage on mobs since i assume armor is what is causing the dps loss on physical damage dealing weapons?

you can customize the Hawke's Keys specs
you can pick one of th3 4 elemental dmgs electricity fire cold spirit im not sure if theres nature
you can also pick crit dmg crit chance AP as well as stam/mana regen, health regen, speed reduct

i havn't gotten the twp handed version yet  but so far i got the staff and the bow and they both do about 296 dmg

[ripstrawberry]

^
there's nature. As far as the best 2H weapons I would say bloom and the empress's point.

[NobleLiuBei]

You're all missing a big point, though, and it was the reason why I came onto this forum in the first place. I found this thread trying to figure out if The Hawke's Key was better than The Empress's Point and vice-versa. I don't know what you guys are talking about in terms of knockback and added physical damage, because the stats I'm looking at with my Empress's Point are +4 strength, +13% critical chance, +11% attack speed, and +24 damage to demons and undead. I get the strength converting to physical damage, but my main point of contention is that 11% attack speed increase. I got The Hawke's Key at a higher level so its base damage is higher (and because of this, it has higher DPS at its base), but if I can swing The Empress's Point faster, logically it's DPS is going to be much higher than what it's advertised as.

Here's what I'm trying to figure out: Does the +11% Attack Speed give The Empress's Point more DPS than The Hawke's Key?

[punkgamer01]

nope... because with the "ignore armor" property of the hawk'e's key, each of your hit will bypass the ennemy's armor. adding to that, if your hawke's key has more base damage, each swing will deal more damage. the only inconvenient about using the hawke's key is that it will deal no additionnal damage on the side of elemental weakness. wich mean that you will not get bonus as if, for exemple, you were using a cold weapon on a rage demon. all your attacks will still bypass armor, but you will not get additionnal damage as if you used a elemental weapon.

like afk, i will say that the best weapon to use are elemental weapon, but if you look for the best physical weapon, the hawke's key is better, provided that you earn it late in the game, like, somewhere in act 3. remember that each attack of the hawke's key will only bypass armor if you choose the "armor penetration" option when you choose the second upgrade during legacy dlc, and that with this upgrade, all your attack will bypass the ennemy's armor.

adding to that there is an exploit that allow to take all four upgrade at each pillar when you upgrade it. 

here : http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/The_Hawke's_Key

look at the section named exploit at the end of the page

Editado por punkgamer01, 06 octubre 2012 - 09:28 .