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[RubiconI7]

Redgoon23 wrote...

But after that encounter you go on another quest and that templar is dead. the dialogue options are that he tricked u. so maybe if you arrested the elf in the mansion instead of letting him go like i did, the templar might still be alive. its worth a shot.

The killer and the noble is not the same person.
The Killer is associated with Orsino also, the noble is similar to you, trying to get revenge.

[Tekman9]

Jman5 wrote...

Agreed. Seriously, if you want to stay away from spoilers avoid the game's forum until you beat it. You can complain about spoilers all you want but it's going to happen. Someone will either accidentally or purposefully spoil important parts of the story.

Finish the game, then come back to the forums and you wont have problems. Sorry if this comes off as rude, but it's really the only way to reliably stay spoiler free. It's much easier than convincing thousands of anonymous forum posters to post properly.

no, thats not rude at all and is completely logical.

[Larryboy_Dragon]

For all the hype, DA2 isn't very good with choice and consequences compared to Alpha Protocol or Fallout: New Vegas. Unlike the others you can't change or avoid major events, and most events happen no matter what you do.

[chzrm3]

To be fair, the OP probably could've said "Question concerning 'All that Remains' outcome", or something along those lines.

Still, Tekman9, I don't understand why you read the thread after seeing that the subject was a spoiler. As others have said, "Can you Save Mother" could be ambiguous, or even if you ~do~ discern that there's a quest where she dies, you wouldn't know when it happens or whether or not she could be saved. By reading the thread, you really ruin that entire surprise for yourself. : (

There have been a couple times in my forum-using career where my eyes have slipped over a spoiler, and I've had that "oh DAMN it!" reaction. I've never clicked those threads and started posting, though - I usually just X out the window in frustration. : P

[x-president]

Rovay wrote...

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Rovay wrote...

Keren wrote...

Destroying all blood magic books in act 2 will save her ?

Unfortunately not... It only gives you a chance to fight a super boss demon and earn an achievment for it.

Is that how you find Xebenkeck, or whatever its name was? I couldn't find all of the tomes...

Yes. By finding and (key word) DESTRYOING them you have a chance to find the sixth tome, that upon reading will allow you to fight Xebenkek. It also gives atribute points when read.

Good to know.  I was taking all the books and never did finish that quest.  I'll be sure to do it next time.


Honestly DA2 is lacking in decision making compared to Origins.  One of the unfortunate changes in the game.  Also where are my options to kill off companions.  It's nothing like Origins.  So much for playing evil.

[Brawne]

I didnt find all the books either. I searched all the bloody places I could think of and yes all the caves and places outside town too and still didnt find them all. -.-

[LocutusX]

So... I was wondering... I let the blood mage in the mansion (with the French accent) live. Then later when I found Emeric's body, I told the female
templar that the BM was in Darktown, but I didn't actually go looking for him.
Then I got the quest to Search for Mother after going back to my estate... I did that quest immediately (wouldn't make role-playing sense not to!) and
I took out the Quentin guy and his "corpse bride" i.e. mother. I had to stop playing then cuz it was too sad, lol

But anyways I am wondering, should I try to find the BM with the french accent again? Or did the game make him disappear since I already
took care of the REAL Bad blood mage.

[Renessa]

Edge2177 wrote...

Nope. Can't save her. But I reccomend bringing Varric to the final conclusion if you bring the noble blood mage who you found in the first house to find the real killer. It's epic.

I had not realized that you can find this guy again. Where is he? And you can take him along to the killer's lair?

[Rogue Unit]

Tekman9 wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

I don't go on the internet till I've beaten the game - because evidently I know the internet better than you do, I don't have the illusion spoilers won't be posted in a place where it says (SPOILERS). Please stop making up your own rules because you read past the title and saw what his first post said.

"Can you save mother." implies only one thing - "Mom is in danger at some point in the game." If that's shocking to you and now your entire experience is blown - I'd recommend completing the game, then going on to the forums that talk about the game with "Spoilers" in the title after.

This doesnt mean that it follows ettiquite, or isn't incosiderate.  Several people are agreeing with me so its not my 'rule' or even a rule in the strict sense of the word.  It's basically just not being a ****.  Also the 1000's of other threads in this forum didnt seem to have a problem with not posting major spoilers in the thread title.

Idealism? rofl buddy, thats pot calling the kettle black anyway.... youre not imposing any less idealism than I am just because you have the opposite viewpoint

You think that major spoilers in thread titles are A-OK (again in the GAMEPLAY/STRATEGY forum, not the discuss the story forum).  I think that they should be saved for the body of a post.  What's really more imposing to a reader of the forum?

Anders blows the Kirkwall chantry to ****.
 No, you can't stop him.

Have fun.

[Freeway911]

Pretty much anything in the Main Plot group of quests you are out of luck to change. No matter which way you play something there the end result will be the same as they are trying to push the story in a certain direction regardless of the choices you think you can make.

There are some companion and secondary quests you can change the outcome of based on whether or not you do them or which direction you take while doing them.

[Thargor_Gnomepunter]

It really does irritate me that Bioware seems to posess this atitude of "simple>complex." I loved Mass Effect and DA:O. I loved their sequels too, but it nagged at me that a lot of choices, both in gameplay and story, were eliminated.

When I first played through this quest line I figured I might have been able to change things if I just killed or arrested the elf earlier, especially since I found a trunk full of women's clothes in his mansion after I let him go. But then after I reached the actual killer it turns out he's just another of the apparent thousands of horrible blood mages who is just a bit sick in the head. (Btw, can anyone tell me why blood magic is some terrible forbidden art that only a few are supposed to practice, yet everyone and their mom uses it as a first response to the slightest thing?)

The other thing that kind of bugged me about this is the lack of drastic response from Hawke. I mean, he kills people in lots of 20 and it doesn't bother him at all, but there's nothing special about when he kills the serial killer. No fatality animations like the first game, no "Hawke smash!" cutscene where he chops or explodes the guy into tiny pieces. I understand that if they made every kill unique it would take forever and be ludicrously implausible, but I personally thought that such an obviously important fight to Hawke would warrant at least a bit more emotion and/or brutality from him when he wins. If I was in Hawke's position and possessed his abilities, there wouldn't be enough of that psychopath to fit in a thimble by the time I was done with him.

[Loc'n'lol]

Renessa wrote...

Edge2177 wrote...

Nope. Can't save her. But I reccomend bringing Varric to the final conclusion if you bring the noble blood mage who you found in the first house to find the real killer. It's epic.

I had not realized that you can find this guy again. Where is he? And you can take him along to the killer's lair?

He said he was waiting in darktown you can find him there instead of following Gamlen to lowtown (where the quest marker is) and he will lead you to the killer's hideout. I didn't bring Varric first time around so I might have to try that. That being said, even without Varric I thought it was worth bringing him just to tie loose ends on this quest.

[JamesX]

RubiconI7 wrote...

The killer and the noble is not the same person.
The Killer is associated with Orsino also, the noble is similar to you, trying to get revenge.

Not quite revenge as power.    He wants the research notes and be taught Necromancy.

In fact he joins the Necromancer against you....  his reply to you trying to win him back "How can you join him!! He is INSANE!!!!"

"He is insane, but also powerful.."  

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Renessa wrote...

Edge2177 wrote...

Nope. Can't save her. But I reccomend bringing Varric to the final conclusion if you bring the noble blood mage who you found in the first house to find the real killer. It's epic.

I had not realized that you can find this guy again. Where is he? And you can take him along to the killer's lair?

As long as you don't give Moira any reason to believe he is responsible, if you let him go in first encounter, he should be in Darktown (far north of it IIRC), you can confirm if you have the option because the Journal updates to say either go to Lowtown or go seek out Gascard (doesn't tell you where though, you just have to remember). As Edge2177 said, having Varric there when you get to Quentin with Gascard there as well is truly EPIC 

[passionata]

If I was in Hawke's position and possessed his abilities, there wouldn't be enough of that psychopath to fit in a thimble by the time I was done with him.

Yeah and that killer would not die a fast death my Hawke would have tortured him but you know it is the same thing with the Howes. Bioware makes games for adults but then let us not extract our rightous revenge in an appealing way. I mean come on that guy turns your mother into a zombie like beeing my Hawke would have taken off parts of that ****er limb by limb.... Same goes for the Howes as soon as the Archdemon is slain my Warden would have extracted vengeance on the whole Howe family leaving no one alive I mean it! He would have slayed even the children like Howe's soldiers did...

[Knight of Dane]

JamesX wrote...

RubiconI7 wrote...

The killer and the noble is not the same person.
The Killer is associated with Orsino also, the noble is similar to you, trying to get revenge.

Not quite revenge as power.    He wants the research notes and be taught Necromancy.

In fact he joins the Necromancer against you....  his reply to you trying to win him back "How can you join him!! He is INSANE!!!!"

"He is insane, but also powerful.."  

Gascard didn't turn on me, he helped me kill Quentin.

[pressy24]

http://dragonage.wik...ll_That_Remains

[theoriginalboom]

I have been somewhat impressed with the game so far, I really thought I could save the mother and that the mage spells would be more impressive. In Dragon Age Origins there was an ice storm and death cloud that combined with the lightning storm to make combo magic. Now your limited to certain spells and the ends are unchangeable. Other than that I do enjoy the passive ability options. Warriors seem to have really good passive abilities.