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[noodlevixen]

ColdbringeR wrote...

I like how anyone who is uncomfortable around homosexuality is utterly disregarded. It's almost as if people think they choose to feel that way (sound familiar?).

What do you mean disregarded? Not catered to?

[ColdbringeR]

Russalka wrote...

Putting homosexuality next to negative things like profanity and blood is hurtful. Do you lack empathy?

He's saying that some people are offended by homosexuality, just as some people are offended by other things. It's unfortunate, but it's a fact of life.

[Grey21]

coolair74 wrote...

v_ware wrote...

Russalka wrote...

coolair74 wrote...
But youll put in blood/violence filters, amiright?

How does gore compare to homosexuality? 

I'dd like to know that too, I don't really get that.

Its an easy change to implement, just like language filters.  I mean they thought enough to inculde that option, blood chunky bits may make some ppl uncomfortable with the game.

Guys Im not advocating being anti-gay, Im just in agreeance that an option would be perferable. The two are only related by what is socially acceptable. Im sure you more highly evolved west coasters may not get this. 

You've got to be kidding me, that has to be the most insulting thing I've read on here. The casual way it is written is just mind blowing...

Showing extensive gore is something that not everyone likes to see. You can say 'no' to seeing such things in movies and games but not in your real life. Just like you can't say no to homosexuality. Some people simply are homosexual and lots of studies show this isn't a small group either. Many are in the closet and I praise Bioware for being on the frontline when it comes to raising awareness.
 
Adding a switch to on/off homosexuality is like saying: 'your are not welcome in my world'. If you want a switch for homosexuality then you might as well make one for 'black people', 'italians', 'old people', etc. They simply are a part of this universe and Bioware had decided that they won't ignore it in their games anymore.

If you don't like to be confronted with this fact of life then don't buy Bioware games just like you wouldn't move to San Francisco.

[Russalka]

ColdbringeR wrote...

He's saying that some people are offended by homosexuality, just as some people are offended by other things. It's unfortunate, but it's a fact of life.

Should people who are offended by black people be catered to as well?

Disagreeing with homosexuality is like doing so with skin colours or any other normal trait a human being might have.

[v_ware]

Russalka wrote...
Putting homosexuality next to negative things like profanity and blood is hurtful. Do you lack empathy?

Let me fix that for you:
Putting homosexuality next to negative things like profanity and blood is hurtful. You lack empathy, and common sense.

[Cobrawar]

I only condone the lesbian stuff. Whatever you do just don't drop the soap.

[Grey21]

ColdbringeR wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Putting homosexuality next to negative things like profanity and blood is hurtful. Do you lack empathy?

He's saying that some people are offended by homosexuality, just as some people are offended by other things. It's unfortunate, but it's a fact of life.

There are a lot of things in this world that offends people. We can hardly make an on/off switch for all of that. When you live in a free society then you simply have to build a shield to handle the stuff that offends you. Christians will have to accept homosexuals and homosexuals will have to accept those that think they are a sin.

Gore is one thing to on/off in a game even though it cant be done in real life. But wanting to on/off homosexuality is a path you dont want to take. It will follow by on/of****g religion, certain jokes, skin collor, etc.

[wildfly]

in DAO zev being bi fit very well with his background and i romanced him cause alister bore me to tears and he was a great character and romance. the problem is, in DA2 (i watch my roommate playing a male hawke and sometimes i play a f!hawke) the male options look 100% gay for me: they are simply not convincing for my f!hawke, but when i see them with m&m, they look at their place.
i played many romances, starting with BGi-ii including many modded romances
and they all felt real man who were (also) interested in woman. it's not so in DA2.
i absolutely love everything in DA2 except the male LI's
well, i am still waiting for my copy with the sebastian DLC...
or i'll try isabella or merill. they look much more cool.

[Sarielle]

Aside from the fact I'm not entirely sure wtf the OP is actually trying to say (I'm guessing fpr instance the oft-used "hall" is supposed to be "whole"? O_< ) you get absolutely NO NEGATIVES for having them on the rivalry scale rather than the friendship. Unlike Origins, where you only got bonuses if they were maxed friendly, here, it's just a measure of whether they agree with your stances on everything, or not.

They still respect you either way. So stop worrying about it.

[ColdbringeR]

Russalka wrote...

ColdbringeR wrote...

He's saying that some people are offended by homosexuality, just as some people are offended by other things. It's unfortunate, but it's a fact of life.

Should people who are offended by black people be catered to as well?

Disagreeing with homosexuality is like doing so with skin colours or any other normal trait a human being might have.

You consider skin color a trait, just as sexual orientation. In DA2, you can change your skin color at character creation, but not your sexual orientation. Thank you for making my point.

[noodlevixen]

ColdbringeR wrote...

Russalka wrote...

ColdbringeR wrote...

He's saying that some people are offended by homosexuality, just as some people are offended by other things. It's unfortunate, but it's a fact of life.

Should people who are offended by black people be catered to as well?

Disagreeing with homosexuality is like doing so with skin colours or any other normal trait a human being might have.

You consider skin color a trait, just as sexual orientation. In DA2, you can change your skin color at character creation, but not your sexual orientation. Thank you for making my point.

There is no sexual orientation option because you express your orientation by rejecting or  recieving advances. What is so hard to understand about that?

[Cobrawar]

The flaw in Male -male relations is 1.is not acceptable as F-F relations, F-F relations is too hot to describe 2.from what Ive talked to gay friends there really isn't much romancing of each other they either want to have sex or don't want to have sex.


 Ps. I want to add right now Im watching chole. =)

Modifié par Cobrawar, 12 mars 2011 - 08:31 .

[Russalka]

ColdbringeR wrote...
You consider skin color a trait, just as sexual orientation. In DA2, you can change your skin color at character creation, but not your sexual orientation. Thank you for making my point.

And you completely missed mine. There are gay people in this fantasy world. Making it something a player can turn off is hurtful to people.

[ColdbringeR]

noodlevixen wrote...

ColdbringeR wrote...

Russalka wrote...

ColdbringeR wrote...

He's saying that some people are offended by homosexuality, just as some people are offended by other things. It's unfortunate, but it's a fact of life.

Should people who are offended by black people be catered to as well?

Disagreeing with homosexuality is like doing so with skin colours or any other normal trait a human being might have.

You consider skin color a trait, just as sexual orientation. In DA2, you can change your skin color at character creation, but not your sexual orientation. Thank you for making my point.

There is no sexual orientation option because you express your orientation by rejecting or  recieving advances. What is so hard to understand about that?

Are you saying that people choose their sexual orientation on a day to day basis?

[wildfly]

you get absolutely NO NEGATIVES for having them on the rivalry scale rather than the friendship. Unlike Origins, where you only got bonuses if they were maxed friendly, here, it's just a measure of whether they agree with your stances on everything, or not.

They still respect you either way. So stop worrying about it.

but that's strange. i know you can have your companion's skill tree option with 'rivalry'. but will they confide in you and tell you personal stuff if you're rivals?

[aries1001]

The homosexual or heterosexual content in DA2 is entire optional. And at least now with the icons for the tone of the dialogue being said, you should easily be able to distinguish between romantic options and not romantic options. And yes, Zevran's coming on to you was bit harsh in DA: Origins, but you could just tell him that 'no, thanks, I'm not interested.' Also, remember that we do need any more zombie kittens...

[Infinimonium]

Now we know what's at the other side of the rainbow...

[ColdbringeR]

Russalka wrote...

ColdbringeR wrote...
You consider skin color a trait, just as sexual orientation. In DA2, you can change your skin color at character creation, but not your sexual orientation. Thank you for making my point.

And you completely missed mine. There are gay people in this fantasy world. Making it something a player can turn off is hurtful to people.

I never advocated "turning off" homosexuality in the game.

[coolair74]

Grey21 wrote...

coolair74 wrote...

v_ware wrote...

Russalka wrote...

coolair74 wrote...
But youll put in blood/violence filters, amiright?

How does gore compare to homosexuality? 

I'dd like to know that too, I don't really get that.

Its an easy change to implement, just like language filters.  I mean they thought enough to inculde that option, blood chunky bits may make some ppl uncomfortable with the game.

Guys Im not advocating being anti-gay, Im just in agreeance that an option would be perferable. The two are only related by what is socially acceptable. Im sure you more highly evolved west coasters may not get this. 

You've got to be kidding me, that has to be the most insulting thing I've read on here. The casual way it is written is just mind blowing...

Showing extensive gore is something that not everyone likes to see. You can say 'no' to seeing such things in movies and games but not in your real life. Just like you can't say no to homosexuality. Some people simply are homosexual and lots of studies show this isn't a small group either. Many are in the closet and I praise Bioware for being on the frontline when it comes to raising awareness.
 
Adding a switch to on/off homosexuality is like saying: 'your are not welcome in my world'. If you want a switch for homosexuality then you might as well make one for 'black people', 'italians', 'old people', etc. They simply are a part of this universe and Bioware had decided that they won't ignore it in their games anymore.

If you don't like to be confronted with this fact of life then don't buy Bioware games just like you wouldn't move to San Francisco.

You can blow it all out of proportion all you want. Im not gonna debate the issue. Its my personal view , you have yours.

[noodlevixen]

ColdbringeR wrote...

noodlevixen wrote...

ColdbringeR wrote...

Russalka wrote...

ColdbringeR wrote...

He's saying that some people are offended by homosexuality, just as some people are offended by other things. It's unfortunate, but it's a fact of life.

Should people who are offended by black people be catered to as well?

Disagreeing with homosexuality is like doing so with skin colours or any other normal trait a human being might have.

You consider skin color a trait, just as sexual orientation. In DA2, you can change your skin color at character creation, but not your sexual orientation. Thank you for making my point.

There is no sexual orientation option because you express your orientation by rejecting or  recieving advances. What is so hard to understand about that?

Are you saying that people choose their sexual orientation on a day to day basis?

No. I'm saying that in the game you can express your heterosexuality by rejecting male advances and accepting female advances, thus negating the need for a sexual orientation button.

[SleepyPerson]

wildfly wrote...

you get absolutely NO NEGATIVES for having them on the rivalry scale rather than the friendship. Unlike Origins, where you only got bonuses if they were maxed friendly, here, it's just a measure of whether they agree with your stances on everything, or not.

They still respect you either way. So stop worrying about it.

but that's strange. i know you can have your companion's skill tree option with 'rivalry'. but will they confide in you and tell you personal stuff if you're rivals?

Yes and you can still romance the LIs on rivalry.

Modifié par TricksterPuppet, 12 mars 2011 - 08:35 .

[Wolfy2449]

OMGZ GAY PPL ON DA2... I ve been hit by a homosexual, that is unbelievable, i will go rage on forums...Omgz why a female is allowed to hit on me, i am gay i am offended naw plz change...Really the amount of homophobic ppl is annoying

Really the only think i can agree with is the rivalry when you turn someone down(adding a polite option should work), else its completely fine... Really being hit on by someone gay isnt something that strange expect if u are completely ignorant and homophobic and subconsciously dont like them because they scare you because they are different else you WOULDNT CARE-FACT

[ColdbringeR]

noodlevixen wrote...

No. I'm saying that in the game you can express your heterosexuality by rejecting male advances and accepting female advances, thus negating the need for a sexual orientation button.

It's not simply the advances though. It's looking at the responses and wondering why my character would think some of these things if he's supposed to be straight. You aren't choosing your orientation through dialogue options as you pointed out. Your character is basically bisexual and the dialogue options just let you explore that. That's the complaint.

Modifié par ColdbringeR, 12 mars 2011 - 08:43 .

[Russalka]

ColdbringeR wrote...
It's not simply the advances though. It's looking at the responses and wondering why my character would think some of these things if he's supposed to be straight. You aren't choosing your orientation through dialogue options as you pointed out. Your character is basically bisexual and the dialogue options just let you explore that. That's the complaint.

Your character does not have to think any of those things.