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[ColdbringeR]

Russalka wrote...

ColdbringeR wrote...
It's not simply the advances though. It's looking at the responses and wondering why my character would think some of these things if he's supposed to be straight. You aren't choosing your orientation through dialogue options as you pointed out. Your character is basically bisexual and the dialogue options just let you explore that. That's the complaint.

Your character does not have to think any of those things.

Of course he does, and so do I thanks to the fact that it's spelled out on my screen.

(yes, I know my character is not actually thinking anything, but that's what i've always interpreted the dialogue options as)

Modifié par ColdbringeR, 12 mars 2011 - 08:48 .

[SleepyPerson]

ColdbringeR wrote...

noodlevixen wrote...

No. I'm saying that in the game you can express your heterosexuality by rejecting male advances and accepting female advances, thus negating the need for a sexual orientation button.

It's not simply the advances though. It's looking at the responses and wondering why my character would think some of these things if he's supposed to be straight. You aren't choosing your orientation through dialogue options as you pointed out. Your character is basically bisexual and the dialogue options just let you explore that. That's the complaint.

Thats not what your character is thinking. Everything on the dialogue wheel is just options for people to roleplay. How else are people supposed to make their choices?

[Russalka]

Then clearly, you have the problem, not the game.

[coolair74]

ColdbringeR wrote...

noodlevixen wrote...

No. I'm saying that in the game you can express your heterosexuality by rejecting male advances and accepting female advances, thus negating the need for a sexual orientation button.

It's not simply the advances though. It's looking at the responses and wondering why my character would think some of these things if he's supposed to be straight. You aren't choosing your orientation through dialogue options as you pointed out. Your character is basically bisexual and the dialogue options just let you explore that. That's the complaint.

Dude they arnt getting the point, so its better to say we all agree to disagree and move on.

[ColdbringeR]

Russalka wrote...

Then clearly, you have the problem, not the game.

You don't know anything about me, but thank you for judging.

[Russalka]

But it is yours, when you THINK that Hawke might be forced to be bisexual and there is nothing other than the options you NEVER use to signify it. Others do not seem to mind.

[Sarielle]

TricksterPuppet wrote...

wildfly wrote...

you get absolutely NO NEGATIVES for having them on the rivalry scale rather than the friendship. Unlike Origins, where you only got bonuses if they were maxed friendly, here, it's just a measure of whether they agree with your stances on everything, or not.

They still respect you either way. So stop worrying about it.

but that's strange. i know you can have your companion's skill tree option with 'rivalry'. but will they confide in you and tell you personal stuff if you're rivals?

Yes and you can still romance the LIs on rivalry.

But you get hawt angry sex instead.

(Okay, I'm not actually sure what non-rivalry sex is like because Varric is my only friend.  But I'm guessing!)

[MPSai]

coolair74 wrote...

v_ware wrote...

Russalka wrote...

coolair74 wrote...
But youll put in blood/violence filters, amiright?

How does gore compare to homosexuality? 

I'dd like to know that too, I don't really get that.

Its an easy change to implement, just like language filters.  I mean they thought enough to inculde that option, blood chunky bits may make some ppl uncomfortable with the game.

Guys Im not advocating being anti-gay, Im just in agreeance that an option would be perferable. The two are only related by what is socially acceptable. Im sure you more highly evolved west coasters may not get this. 

All turning off persistant gore does is make it so your character isn't constantly covered in blood in dialog scenes, which can look goofy sometimes. It's not a filter to make the game less violent.

Modifié par MPSai, 12 mars 2011 - 09:00 .

[SleepyPerson]

Sarielle wrote...

TricksterPuppet wrote...

wildfly wrote...

you get absolutely NO NEGATIVES for having them on the rivalry scale rather than the friendship. Unlike Origins, where you only got bonuses if they were maxed friendly, here, it's just a measure of whether they agree with your stances on everything, or not.

They still respect you either way. So stop worrying about it.

but that's strange. i know you can have your companion's skill tree option with 'rivalry'. but will they confide in you and tell you personal stuff if you're rivals?

Yes and you can still romance the LIs on rivalry.

But you get hawt angry sex instead.

(Okay, I'm not actually sure what non-rivalry sex is like because Varric is my only friend.  But I'm guessing!)

 
Hawt angry sex is probably only rivalry

[Benevolent Walnut]

you have to deal with gay people in real life too, so why not in this game? I know that homosexuality makes a lot of people uncomfortable, and given the society many of us grew up in it's understandable. But I think it's something people are going to have to get used to.

[Gossip]

Why is this even a problem? If you don't want to pursue the option, then don't choose it. Simple as that.

[elearon1]

>>In DA2 hall thing is toned down, though it is still advantageous to engage in at least bit of flirting, depending on your class, group set up, unlocks; you simply get more points for it and get faster to friends status then you would playing it "straight". <<

Don't forget, though, that in DA2 there are actually benefits for getting people as Rivals as well - so there is no reason to feel you have to do everything you can to keep people friendly the way you did in DA:O. In fact, in each playthrough I have intentionally lead a few people to be rivals simply to see how this would go down, and gained access to Rivalry specific bonuses to encourage it.

So, don't feel pressured into any specific kind of gameplay in that regard.

[nemesis1189]

My issue with the homosexuality in this game is the complete lack of realistic representation of how many people in the world are gay. In the game, almost every companion has a homosexual option. In the real world, statistics show that only about .6 to 5% of the population is gay or bisexual. San Francisco, which has the highest recorded gay population comes in at only 15%.

So then why in Dragon Age 2 are basically every one of companions bisexual? It just doesn't make sense.

[Sarielle]

nemesis1189 wrote...

My issue with the homosexuality in this game is the complete lack of realistic representation of how many people in the world are gay. In the game, almost every companion has a homosexual option. In the real world, statistics show that only about .6 to 5% of the population is gay or bisexual. San Francisco, which has the highest recorded gay population comes in at only 15%.

So then why in Dragon Age 2 are basically every one of companions bisexual? It just doesn't make sense.

Sexuality was a lot more fluid in other cultures. Ancient Greece, for instance, it was fairly common for men with wives to take male lovers as well. -shrug- So it's not as though there's no cultural precedent.

[Russalka]

It is a different world. It is also unrealistic that there would be two or more people in the party that would be willing to just start a relationship. Stranger things have happened, and it is not like their bisexuality has to exist at all when Hawke does not even touch that subject in conversation.

[Emerald Melios]

nemesis1189 wrote...

My issue with the homosexuality in this game is the complete lack of realistic representation of how many people in the world are gay. In the game, almost every companion has a homosexual option. In the real world, statistics show that only about .6 to 5% of the population is gay or bisexual. San Francisco, which has the highest recorded gay population comes in at only 15%.

So then why in Dragon Age 2 are basically every one of companions bisexual? It just doesn't make sense.

What about the percentage of elves and magi in the real world? There's far less than even homosexuals, yet no one's complaining about them being in the game......

Modifié par Emerald Melios, 12 mars 2011 - 09:27 .

[MPSai]

nemesis1189 wrote...

My issue with the homosexuality in this game is the complete lack of realistic representation of how many people in the world are gay. In the game, almost every companion has a homosexual option. In the real world, statistics show that only about .6 to 5% of the population is gay or bisexual. San Francisco, which has the highest recorded gay population comes in at only 15%.

So then why in Dragon Age 2 are basically every one of companions bisexual? It just doesn't make sense.

It's a video game dude, don't take it too literally. The whole point is so you can experience any of the romance options as whatever gender you want to play, which is totally fair. It always annoyed me that there were straight-only options but no gay-only options in the romances in both DA and ME, but just opening them all for either is an easy way to let people play how they want, which is the point of these kinds of games.

That was like when I made my human female warrior in DA:O black, and then saw her very white, blonde-haired and blue-eyed parents and was like "haha oops." I didn't sit there pondering how this situation fit into the plot or the lore of the world because I knew it was just a function of the game.

Modifié par MPSai, 12 mars 2011 - 09:29 .

[SleepyPerson]

If you tell a companion you're not interested, they never hit on you again. Problem solved.

[GregoriusMaximus]

Oh dear god not another one of these.

BIOWARE'S IP, DRAGON AGE, DOES NOT HAVE ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS AND SO THERE IS NO CULTURAL TABOO AGAINST GAY SEX. THEREFORE, THERE WILL BE GAY OPTIONS IN THE GAME AND IT WILL BE AS COMMON AS THE STRAIGHT ONES.

Do people complain that there's no "democracy" in DA2? That there's no "human rights"? NO? Then don't complain when the society in the game universe doesn't conform to other aspects of your society/how you think society "should be"

[ColdbringeR]

Russalka wrote...

But it is yours, when you THINK that Hawke might be forced to be bisexual and there is nothing other than the options you NEVER use to signify it. Others do not seem to mind.

I said you don't know anything about me because I don't have a problem with it. I simply understand how some people would. And it's quite apparent that others do seem to mind.

Modifié par ColdbringeR, 12 mars 2011 - 09:33 .

[nemesis1189]

In Ancient Greece, the most common form of homosexuality was by far pederasty: sex between an adult male and a boy. In addition, a homosexual relationship between two adult men was often considered shameful. Female adult homosexuality was only tolerated because women (by Grecian standards) didn't really have any shame, and therefore almost anything was permissable by them.

So no, there really is no precedent for a majority of a population being homosexual. It's merely a type of world which Bioware has created in order to seem "PC."

[GregoriusMaximus]

nemesis1189 wrote...


So then why in Dragon Age 2 are basically every one of companions bisexual? It just doesn't make sense.

It makes perfect sense if you've studied any ancient history. When there's no cultural taboo against gay sex, bisexuality suddenly becomes a LOT more common.

We're seeing this now; the rates of people engaging in homosexual sex who aren't themselves homosexual is skyrocketing as the fascism of the Church is being diminished.

[Stormghost]

I think Bioware made it blatantly obvious with the romance system - every flirty conversation option makes a big heart appear in the wheel.

If you feel uncomfortable with guys flirting with you in game, then tough ****** - I'm sure many gay men who play the game would feel uncomfortable with Isabella slobbering over them every time they talk. Some characters in the game are just flirty, get over it.

[nemesis1189]

The difference between there being elves in DA2 and homosexuality in DA2 is that there is a real world corellary to only one of the above.

We do complain about the lack of human rights! No spoilers here, but the whole game is riddled with decisions in which we try to decide what is best for other people.

[MPSai]

nemesis1189 wrote...

So no, there really is no precedent for a majority of a population being homosexual. It's merely a type of world which Bioware has created in order to seem "PC."

Or because they wanted to put in the option to have a gay romance because many gamers enjoy and appreciate them and so the player can have play-style options they made the romances available to either gender. Like I said in my other post don't take game functions so literally. Why don't you question why only a mage can wear a certain pair of gloves or how finding plants and opening locks gives you experience toward learning new blade moves. Or how people who aren't even with you also become more experienced at fighting.

Modifié par MPSai, 12 mars 2011 - 09:37 .