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[GregoriusMaximus]

So no, there really is no precedent for a majority of a population being homosexual. It's merely a type of world which Bioware has created in order to seem "PC."

Yes... it must be the PC brigade... it's that damned gay lobby again... shoving it down our throats, forcing Bioware to work to their "agenda"!!

*rolleyes*

Dragon Age is inspired by the D&D universe, where a similar situation exists. The rationale employed is that there is no cultural taboo, ergo bisexual sex is pretty widespread. If you stick to a parochial post-Freudian view of sexuality, that makes it harder to understand, but I don't think they are

[GregoriusMaximus]

If it makes you morons any happier at least they play the "creepy" music when you start 'romancing' Anders. It even gives you an option to say you think the fact that he shags blokes is disgusting ffs!! What more do you want?!

Modifié par GregoriusMaximus, 12 mars 2011 - 09:38 .

[nemesis1189]

We're playing a ROLE-playing game, so arguments that "it's a different world man" do not mean anything. Things still have to make some kind of sense.

And while a great amount of modern day anti-homosexual sentimentality comes from Judeo-Christian values, this is not true of ancient cultures. There is a good reason that homosexuality has been historically looked down on... and it's all about procreation. Most societies (America included now) level off population-wise (generally followed by a decline). Can you imagine how quickly our society would be depleted of people if 50% of the population decided that homosexuality was the way to go?

Despite what the pro-gay lobby wants us to believe, heterosexuality is actually a necessity for a civilization to survive. Homosexuality is not.

The obvious inference into our DA2 game world is that if 90% of the population is WILLING to be gay, it's safe to say that at least 30-50% of the world population IS gay. Remember what I said about the game needing to make sense? Well, this just doesn't.

[GregoriusMaximus]

The obvious inference into our DA2 game world is that if 90% of the population is WILLING to be gay, it's safe to say that at least 30-50% of the world population IS gay. Remember what I said about the game needing to make sense? Well, this just doesn't.

That's not at all obvious. It's completely arbitrarily pulled from nowhere.

But from the rest of your post, I can see that's about your limits so...

[Russalka]

I have never seen "pro-gay lobby" trying to imply heterosexuality is not a necessity. Homosexuality is never going to stop civilisation.

What if it is just chance that brought together people who just happen to be bisexual? Why must this be a problem?

[MPSai]

nemesis1189 wrote...

We're playing a ROLE-playing game, so arguments that "it's a different world man" do not mean anything. Things still have to make some kind of sense.

And while a great amount of modern day anti-homosexual sentimentality comes from Judeo-Christian values, this is not true of ancient cultures. There is a good reason that homosexuality has been historically looked down on... and it's all about procreation. Most societies (America included now) level off population-wise (generally followed by a decline). Can you imagine how quickly our society would be depleted of people if 50% of the population decided that homosexuality was the way to go?

Despite what the pro-gay lobby wants us to believe, heterosexuality is actually a necessity for a civilization to survive. Homosexuality is not.

The obvious inference into our DA2 game world is that if 90% of the population is WILLING to be gay, it's safe to say that at least 30-50% of the world population IS gay. Remember what I said about the game needing to make sense? Well, this just doesn't.

I agree that saying it's part of the world is dumb, but what I keep saying is it's all about giving the player options to increase enjoyability of the game. That doesn't always need to make literal sense, there's plenty of abstract elements in games that make no sense if you really think about it.

But your "pro-gay lobby" nonsense does paint you as having something against homosexuality, rather than wanting the game to be realistic. What do they lobby for exactly? They spend money to turn people gay? What?

All gay rights is about is pretty much equality, when gays were "quiet" society wouldn't leave them alone anyway, so now they have to be loud to get people to do just that.

Modifié par MPSai, 12 mars 2011 - 09:54 .

[GregoriusMaximus]

Freud asserted that all humans are born bisexual but through psychosexual development achieve a set "sexuality".

Without the cultural constraints of our society, it's easy to see why there might be so many bisexuals in Dragon Age.

[Russalka]

I think a positive message about sexual liberty is more important than issues with realism.

[ColdbringeR]

GregoriusMaximus wrote...

Freud asserted that all humans are born bisexual but through psychosexual development achieve a set "sexuality".

You don't want to use Freud as a means to make a point more valid. Trust me.

[MPSai]

Russalka wrote...

I think a positive message about sexual liberty is more important than issues with realism.

Cause nothing says realism like a game with demons, dragons, magic, and people able to throw their blood around as a weapon. 

[Aurgelmir]

According to bioware half of ferelden are gay, kinda ruins the immersion somewhat.

My mate sent me a text while he was playing saying ' I just accidentaly had gay sex with an elf, I don't think a shower can undo the damage so I'm reloading a save'

[Emerald Melios]

Aurgelmir wrote...

According to bioware half of ferelden are gay, kinda ruins the immersion somewhat.

My mate sent me a text while he was playing saying ' I just accidentaly had gay sex with an elf, I don't think a shower can undo the damage so I'm reloading a save'

And the magi and elves don't ruin immersion? It's fantasy!

Modifié par Emerald Melios, 12 mars 2011 - 10:05 .

[Sn0wM0]

I think the main question is why should I be effected with +15 towards rivialry when choosing not to have a romance with Anders. This happened when I was talking with him and the only options were two flirting and one romance rejecting. I think that they should have just added another option which just wouldn't intiate a romance but not decrease the freindship.

[untoldsarcasm]

JohnEpler wrote...

Same sex romances are entirely optional content. If you don't like them, don't pursue them. We are not going to change how they're handled simply because some people are uncomfortable with them.

Thank you.

[Aurgelmir]

Emerald Melios wrote...

Aurgelmir wrote...

According to bioware half of ferelden are gay, kinda ruins the immersion somewhat.

My mate sent me a text while he was playing saying ' I just accidentaly had gay sex with an elf, I don't think a shower can undo the damage so I'm reloading a save'

And the magi and elces don't ruin immersion? It's fantasy!

I just don't remember reading in Lord of the Rings or the Poetic Eddas about half of middle earth, or half of valhalla being gay. Which is the source material for all high fantasy. If I did then you could Mardi Gras away.

[Eterna]

nemesis1189 wrote...

My issue with the homosexuality in this game is the complete lack of realistic representation of how many people in the world are gay. In the game, almost every companion has a homosexual option. In the real world, statistics show that only about .6 to 5% of the population is gay or bisexual. San Francisco, which has the highest recorded gay population comes in at only 15%.

So then why in Dragon Age 2 are basically every one of companions bisexual? It just doesn't make sense.

 That 5% consists only of people who are willing to be open about it.

There are many gay people who can't accept it, hell there are gay people with wives and children. That number does not represent those who are in the closet.

[Russalka]

Aurgelmir wrote...
I just don't remember reading in Lord of the Rings or the Poetic Eddas about half of middle earth, or half of valhalla being gay. Which is the source material for all high fantasy. If I did then you could Mardi Gras away.

But half of the population is not gay, it is purely your own hyperbole. And this PURELY OPTIONAL addition to the storyline has been blown up by people way too much.

[Aurgelmir]

Russalka wrote...

Aurgelmir wrote...
I just don't remember reading in Lord of the Rings or the Poetic Eddas about half of middle earth, or half of valhalla being gay. Which is the source material for all high fantasy. If I did then you could Mardi Gras away.

But half of the population is not gay, it is purely your own hyperbole. And this PURELY OPTIONAL addition to the storyline has been blown up by people way too much.

They're overdoing it is my issue, if they want to have one here or there thats fine. But making half the squad gay is just pandering.

[aerows]

"I just have an issue with its presentation that is the fact that I am forced to consume it, even by just acknowledging its presence while I play. "

Well, as a lesbian, I am highly familiar with that "forced to consume it, even by just acknowledging its presence" bit regarding heterosexuality with just about EVERYTHING.

I don't like bell peppers, and it truly bothers me that every time I turn around, there are bell peppers in something and I am forced to acknowledge that other people eat them! I know I don't have to eat them, but it just makes me SO uncomfortable to know that there are people in the world that enjoy bell peppers. It's sick really - *I* should be able to live in a bell pepper free world.

[Emerald Melios]

Aurgelmir wrote...

Emerald Melios wrote...

Aurgelmir wrote...

According to bioware half of ferelden are gay, kinda ruins the immersion somewhat.

My mate sent me a text while he was playing saying ' I just accidentaly had gay sex with an elf, I don't think a shower can undo the damage so I'm reloading a save'

And the magi and elces don't ruin immersion? It's fantasy!

I just don't remember reading in Lord of the Rings or the Poetic Eddas about half of middle earth, or half of valhalla being gay. Which is the source material for all high fantasy. If I did then you could Mardi Gras away.

And this is Thedas. What's your point?

[Russalka]

Aurgelmir wrote...

They're overdoing it is my issue, if they want to have one here or there thats fine. But making half the squad gay is just pandering.

Why? It is only some people in your squad. The rest of the world has very few of them. You are changing your arguments very fast.

You do not have to indulge them, let them be whatever they are.

[darklordpocky-san]

I don't think we've ever been given much choice in the past. . . to be fair.

In most Bioware games it's 2 straight characters, and 2 bi, with no such thing as a gay or lesbian character. I'm not sure if it was a design decision, or if people would complain about not being able to romance Leliana or Zevran as the opposite sex, or if it's all those zealots and Faux Noise anchors. . . but it does show a bias, especially when some characters can only be romanced by one gender.

But there is always an argument to be made about characters. If I made a game; I'd probably have 2 straight, 1 gay and 1 lesbian, and 2 bi romance options, for the sake of balance, but that's just me. The important part is this; they're characters, before they're romance options. So I can understand some complaints with a game that let's all characters be romanced by either gender, making sexuality a non-existent thing. For some people, their sexuality does play a part to who they are, straight or gay, but in this fantasy world, gay and lesbian romance isn't shunned as much as it would be in our little reality. Hell even sexuality seems to not be that suppressed.

But even then, this is fantasy, we're playing a game, and having our player character romance a character based on our enjoyment of that character, and should we care about some outward crap like "morals" or preferences get in the way of enjoying a little fantasy? I love Adam Sesslar's words on this; "you know, the game can't report you to other people that you're gay in the game" and "there's more freedom in games".

Modifié par darklordpocky-san, 12 mars 2011 - 10:21 .

[Literateminority]

Sarielle wrote...

nemesis1189 wrote...

My issue with the homosexuality in this game is the complete lack of realistic representation of how many people in the world are gay. In the game, almost every companion has a homosexual option. In the real world, statistics show that only about .6 to 5% of the population is gay or bisexual. San Francisco, which has the highest recorded gay population comes in at only 15%.

So then why in Dragon Age 2 are basically every one of companions bisexual? It just doesn't make sense.

Sexuality was a lot more fluid in other cultures. Ancient Greece, for instance, it was fairly common for men with wives to take male lovers as well. -shrug- So it's not as though there's no cultural precedent.

Please do not believe those gay-revisionists that made the horrible Alexander the great movie. In the city of Athens in ancient Greece for example being gay was punishable by death.

[Russalka]

Lucky how Alexander was neither Greek nor an Athenian, then.

[Literateminority]

Russalka wrote...

Lucky how Alexander was neither Greek nor an Athenian, then.

He spoke the Greek language and thought of himself as Greek. Back than the ethical difference between Greece and Macedonia was almost none, like between Germany and Austria for example.