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[Russalka]

This is off-topic. Zeus did men, as did a few heroes, there are depictions of homosexual relations, it was not taboo everywhere.

[MassEffect762]

Human Torch(Fantastic Four): FLAME ON!

I thought it was funny that the gay(male/male) sex scenes were the first ones up on youtube.

That said, let freedom ring.(let  Bioware/EA do what they want with their property)

Modifié par MassEffect762, 12 mars 2011 - 10:57 .

[Literateminority]

Someone before pointed out that homosexuality is part of our world so we all have to live with it. It is a very weak argument because so are pedophile, necrophilia, violence, foul language, and many many more things that are offensive to many people. I can not even write **** or **** here because someone might find it offensive. Yet those that find homosexuality offensive --not by choice mind you-- are supposed to simply accept it.

Hippocracy at it's best.

[Brahmg]

It's way to in your face imop. Don't get me wrong in Fallout, and even DA it was a bit more subtle, and could be a benefit to the game in DA2 it takes away from it.. Granted I'm not a fan of the whole romance system. I've found many times the answer that seems logical based on the context of the conversation leaves me with some very unwanted results. I am now forced to look at the possible answers to a conversation, and then look at the icon vs just choosing what I would believe is the correct response to continue the conversation in order to get the information I'm looking for.

The bottom line for me is when I play a game like Dragon Age (2). I'm looking to fight off hordes of dark spawn, kill dragons, encounter interesting demons, and have a crack squad of companions who are out there fighting for there lives as well. It really takes away and is a distractions of the issues at hand when you are having to juggle your words to make sure your companion doesn't get the wrong idea about you instead of planning how to break into the dungeon and kill the dragon without getting your head bit off. It was bad enough when you had to deal with star struck girls distracting you.. Now my brute force 40 str berserk 2 handed axe wielding elf wants to mount me as well.. No thanks. If I want this sort of drama I'd be on the couch w/my gf watching Big love.

Modifié par Brahmg, 12 mars 2011 - 11:02 .

[Russalka]

How is it offensive?

The argument of pairing homosexuality with necrophilia, pedophilia etc is getting so old. You do realise it is not a proper argument?

[ReiSilver]

Wow, I love how it's 'teh gays' fault that OP was not observant enough to notice two NAMED female characters at the front of the building for the brothel. "Oh a male prostitute has a marker! It's being shoved down my throat!"
Here's a hint, the marker tells you this guy is related to an optional quest. Fluff NPCs don't have names, ones you can talk to and interact with do. It's not Hard!

The car sale metaphor is flawed to. It's like you're going into a store and they have one car in your favourite blue colour and another that's red, and you're upset because the red car is even in the store, and the sales men is telling you the red one is just as good if you want it.

[Myounage]

I love how the same-sex romances are the only sane ones for males. Merrill is deeply troubled and isolated, has about zero personality, and I felt like some kind of sick perv even considering it. I mean really, she seems like she's 12. Isabella is some kind of **** queen. Girls like her are only good for one night stands and then calling a cab for in the morning. You can't trust them and they're not worth your time if they're not in the bed. Her only redeeming quality is that she knows it, or at least seems to. Anyone who'd willingly commit to someone like her is beta as **** / a lolcow waiting to happen when they find out what she does on weekends when she's not at home. Aveline is the only viable female option, and LOL PAINFUL SETUP QUEST. God I cringed on that quest. In all fairness though, she did watch you kill her husband with the murder knife ... choices depending. Anders / Fenris on the other hand seem much more plausible characters. I think Bioware is intentionally trolling us because of all the "ZOMG MAI WAIFU" Tali **** that came with ME / ME 2. I hope to god her mask comes off in ME 3 and she is hideous as all hell underneath, give them a what for.

Oh yes, hang on. The only prostitute you can sleep with in act 1 is male, and there are three males (one ... curiously disguised? That voice ... ) to one female in act 2. Yes, Bioware is intentionally trolling us for sure.

Modifié par Myounage, 12 mars 2011 - 11:04 .

[untoldsarcasm]

 By the way, in the real world you don't get a toggle to switch off homosexuality. So it would be pretty unrealistic to implement it in game. How about you simply handle it in a way any decent person in real life would? Just don't flirt back/make your own sexual orientation known. 

[John Epler]

Yes, let's not conflate homosexuality with necrophilia and pedophilia. It is rather offensive.

[Stormghost]

Aurgelmir wrote...

I just don't remember reading in Lord of the Rings or the Poetic Eddas about half of middle earth, or half of valhalla being gay. Which is the source material for all high fantasy. If I did then you could Mardi Gras away.

Tolkien's works are brilliant, but they are not some sort of rulebook for modern high fantasy.  Writers have always deviated from his 'formula'.  Also, Viking literature does mention male prostitution (for other males), if that counts.

BUT, as usual, this thread has gone far from the original topic of same-sex romance in the game.  The fact of the matter is, in terms of romance, everything is optional.  Don't want to have a romance with someone of the same sex?  Then don't initiate one - and if they flirt with you, there's always an option to reject it outright.  I don't get these people who say they 'accidentally' ended up romancing a character - it's all very clearly signposted.

Modifié par davidk1991, 12 mars 2011 - 11:09 .

[Brahmg]

Yes as a necrophilia I am offended. I only bang dead girls.

and.. DA2 != Real Life. It's a game, it can be built however the builders choose. I personally will choose NOT to pay for the next Dragon Age if it's so heavily entangled in forced romance plots and less so about the reason why most of play RPGs in the first place. If this game was a book it would be in the front isle of the supermarket vs at the comic store.

[Russalka]

How is it heavily dangled in romance plots if it is completely optional to pursue them?

[Brahmg]

davidk1991 wrote...

Aurgelmir wrote...

I just don't remember reading in Lord of the Rings or the Poetic Eddas about half of middle earth, or half of valhalla being gay. Which is the source material for all high fantasy. If I did then you could Mardi Gras away.

Tolkien's works are brilliant, but they are not some sort of rulebook for modern high fantasy.  Writers have always deviated from his 'formula'.  Also, Viking literature does mention male prostitution (for other males), if that counts.

BUT, as usual, this thread has gone far from the original topic of same-sex romance in the game.  The fact of the matter is, in terms of romance, everything is optional.  Don't want to have a romance with someone of the same sex?  Then don't initiate one - and if they flirt with you, there's always an option to reject it outright.  I don't get these people who say they 'accidentally' ended up romancing a character - it's all very clearly signposted.

As I just above. The issue is sometimes the logical conversation path (if you ignore the icons). Takes you down a road you don't want to travel. So you end up saying something in response that you do not feel is the correct answer to the question due to the fact the romance options changes the TONE not the CONTEXT.

[ReiSilver]

Brahmg wrote...

It's way to in your face imop. Don't get me wrong in Fallout, and even DA it was a bit more subtle, and could be a benefit to the game in DA2 it takes away from it.. Granted I'm not a fan of the whole romance system. I've found many times the answer that seems logical based on the context of the conversation leaves me with some very unwanted results. I am now forced to look at the possible answers to a conversation, and then look at the icon vs just choosing what I would believe is the correct response to continue the conversation in order to get the information I'm looking for.

The bottom line for me is when I play a game like Dragon Age (2). I'm looking to fight off hordes of dark spawn, kill dragons, encounter interesting demons, and have a crack squad of companions who are out there fighting for there lives as well. It really takes away and is a distractions of the issues at hand when you are having to juggle your words to make sure your companion doesn't get the wrong idea about you instead of planning how to break into the dungeon and kill the dragon without getting your head bit off. It was bad enough when you had to deal with star struck girls distracting you.. Now my brute force 40 str berserk 2 handed axe wielding elf wants to mount me as well.. No thanks. If I want this sort of drama I'd be on the couch w/my gf watching Big love.

Then don't talk to the companions if you don't want to do anything but kill bad guys... or play a game from a company not known for having romances in just about every game they do.
I'm sorry but being a female gamer that gets reminded she's not the target audience all the time by sexist dialogue and T&A shots in 99% of games, I have little sympathy for the much sought after straight male demographic having to know they're not the only people this one game is made for by something as harmless as a flirt you can reject.
All I can hear is:
"I don't like to know other people that are different from me enjoy this particular pie, all pie should be made only for me! Waaaah!"

[Brahmg]

Russalka wrote...

How is it heavily dangled in romance plots if it is completely optional to pursue them?

Yes you are correct. I can go threw the entire game telling everybody to **** off, or I have to force myself to play along with the romance plots to continue the story line.

[Literateminority]

untoldsarcasm wrote...

 By the way, in the real world you don't get a toggle to switch off homosexuality. So it would be pretty unrealistic to implement it in game. How about you simply handle it in a way any decent person in real life would? Just don't flirt back/make your own sexual orientation known. 

In the real world I have the choice not to walk around with a party of gays that want into my pants. That is a huge difference. I don't want to offend anyone but that is simply how I feel. I believe that everyone should live like they want to, yet I want the same right.

[untoldsarcasm]

Russalka wrote...

How is it offensive?

The argument of pairing homosexuality with necrophilia, pedophilia etc is getting so old. You do realise it is not a proper argument?

It's worrying that some people don't understand how absurd it is to compare a consenting relationship between two adults to abuse. 

[MPSai]

Literateminority wrote...

untoldsarcasm wrote...

 By the way, in the real world you don't get a toggle to switch off homosexuality. So it would be pretty unrealistic to implement it in game. How about you simply handle it in a way any decent person in real life would? Just don't flirt back/make your own sexual orientation known. 

In the real world I have the choice not to walk around with a party of gays that want into my pants. That is a huge difference. I don't want to offend anyone but that is simply how I feel. I believe that everyone should live like they want to, yet I want the same right.

You can't even talk to them outside of their homes now and romance dialog is clearly marked with a heart. I'm really not getting why people are having a hard time with this. 

[Dhanik]

If people are so concerned with same sex romances, just go to your local gay bar, no matter how hideous you look I promise you you'll get the action you so desperately desire, and with better graphics to boot.

[MPSai]

Dhanik wrote...

If people are so concerned with same sex romances, just go to your local gay bar, no matter how hideous you look I promise you you'll get the action you so desperately desire, and with better graphics to boot.

So people who enjoy the straight romances in this game are ugly and need to get laid too amirite? 

[Brahmg]

ReiSilver wrote...

Brahmg wrote...

It's way to in your face imop. Don't get me wrong in Fallout, and even DA it was a bit more subtle, and could be a benefit to the game in DA2 it takes away from it.. Granted I'm not a fan of the whole romance system. I've found many times the answer that seems logical based on the context of the conversation leaves me with some very unwanted results. I am now forced to look at the possible answers to a conversation, and then look at the icon vs just choosing what I would believe is the correct response to continue the conversation in order to get the information I'm looking for.

The bottom line for me is when I play a game like Dragon Age (2). I'm looking to fight off hordes of dark spawn, kill dragons, encounter interesting demons, and have a crack squad of companions who are out there fighting for there lives as well. It really takes away and is a distractions of the issues at hand when you are having to juggle your words to make sure your companion doesn't get the wrong idea about you instead of planning how to break into the dungeon and kill the dragon without getting your head bit off. It was bad enough when you had to deal with star struck girls distracting you.. Now my brute force 40 str berserk 2 handed axe wielding elf wants to mount me as well.. No thanks. If I want this sort of drama I'd be on the couch w/my gf watching Big love.

Then don't talk to the companions if you don't want to do anything but kill bad guys... or play a game from a company not known for having romances in just about every game they do.
I'm sorry but being a female gamer that gets reminded she's not the target audience all the time by sexist dialogue and T&A shots in 99% of games, I have little sympathy for the much sought after straight male demographic having to know they're not the only people this one game is made for by something as harmless as a flirt you can reject.
All I can hear is:
"I don't like to know other people that are different from me enjoy this particular pie, all pie should be made only for me! Waaaah!"

You right,  my mistake I thought I was playing DA2. You can't exactly just roam free and kill stuff can you? You are required to converse with your chacracters in order to find out plot information, obtain quests, and further the main story. Do I think there is anything wrong with a bit of romance or romance in the game no, but the way it's done is rammed in your face, and unlike before now you are getting hit with it from all sides.  I understand as you only are capable of seeing things from your perspective being that you are bitter towards the 99% demographic cleary you are delgithed with the game and all it's other flaws (pathing, ect, ect), but that's OK I'm sure by your overwehlming enhtuism and number of responses to this thread you very much do enjoy your efforts to ONE UP others in a conversation versus try to understand somebody elses point of view. If this game was branded as a point and click dummed down RPG ala Dialbo with a complicated Love Plot I would have just avoided it and been happier then a clam playing something else, but instead DA2 sacrfices many other aspects of the game / gameplay vs DA to add an unwanted romance system imop.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm wrong, either way DA2: Expansions, DLC, and DA3+ will not see anymore of my money.

Modifié par Brahmg, 12 mars 2011 - 11:21 .

[RGDekta]

what I like about DA 2 is you have a choice on romance (other then your brother and sister) no matter if your char is female or male romances are easier to spot (the big heart in the middle of the wheel gives it away) so easy to avoid if it is not your thing. This is about being your character for example my character flirts at everything that moves and she is female but another female char is hetro. I have personal opinions on sexuality but my chars have their own opinions it is called Role Playing.  Actually DA:O romance was harder to avoid especially with Zevran but with DA 2 it is alot easier to spot and not RAMMED down anyone's through watch your answers if you see a heart then don't do it if you see a broken heart that stops the romance.

Modifié par RGDekta, 12 mars 2011 - 11:20 .

[untoldsarcasm]

Literateminority wrote...

untoldsarcasm wrote...

 By the way, in the real world you don't get a toggle to switch off homosexuality. So it would be pretty unrealistic to implement it in game. How about you simply handle it in a way any decent person in real life would? Just don't flirt back/make your own sexual orientation known. 

In the real world I have the choice not to walk around with a party of gays that want into my pants. That is a huge difference. I don't want to offend anyone but that is simply how I feel. I believe that everyone should live like they want to, yet I want the same right.

lol, the right to be intolerant. You poor thing, it must be so hard for you. Newsflash, the rights gay people are asking for are not comparable to your so called 'right'. 

Regardless, you don't have to walk around with them/talk to them. Feel free to execute your 'right'. The game is not forcing you to interact with ~that kind~.

And in future... maybe don't say you don't what to offend someone and then be offensive. 

Modifié par untoldsarcasm, 12 mars 2011 - 11:26 .

[Literateminority]

MPSai wrote...

Literateminority wrote...

untoldsarcasm wrote...

 By the way, in the real world you don't get a toggle to switch off homosexuality. So it would be pretty unrealistic to implement it in game. How about you simply handle it in a way any decent person in real life would? Just don't flirt back/make your own sexual orientation known. 

In the real world I have the choice not to walk around with a party of gays that want into my pants. That is a huge difference. I don't want to offend anyone but that is simply how I feel. I believe that everyone should live like they want to, yet I want the same right.

You can't even talk to them outside of their homes now and romance dialog is clearly marked with a heart. I'm really not getting why people are having a hard time with this. 

It makes me feel uncomfortable simple having them around me in my party knowing they want into my pants. What is wrong with choosing the sex preferences of your character at the beginning of the game? It offends no one and prevents many from feeling very uncomfortable and possibly even offended.

[aerows]

Literateminority wrote...

untoldsarcasm wrote...

 By the way, in the real world you don't get a toggle to switch off homosexuality. So it would be pretty unrealistic to implement it in game. How about you simply handle it in a way any decent person in real life would? Just don't flirt back/make your own sexual orientation known. 

In the real world I have the choice not to walk around with a party of gays that want into my pants. That is a huge difference. I don't want to offend anyone but that is simply how I feel. I believe that everyone should live like they want to, yet I want the same right.

In the real world, you probably work with people that are gay - you just don't know it.