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[Brahmg]

NotFrom4chan wrote...

Thank you, John. I completely agree that those people deserved bans. The last place I expect to hear that some people are uncomfortable with homosexuality is the internet.

lol.. your name says troll.. your words say sneeky triyng to be rational troll.

[NotFrom4chan]

This thread has made me wonder one thing, though. Bioware has openly stated they intended to go after the 'CoD crowd' with DA2. Does Bioware imagine that the 12-14 year old boys from middle America who make up the CoD playing demographic are going to respond well to a game where every character is a couple of dialogue options away from a homosexual encounter?

[Literateminority]

untoldsarcasm wrote...

Literateminority wrote...

aerows wrote...

Literateminority wrote...

untoldsarcasm wrote...

 By the way, in the real world you don't get a toggle to switch off homosexuality. So it would be pretty unrealistic to implement it in game. How about you simply handle it in a way any decent person in real life would? Just don't flirt back/make your own sexual orientation known. 

In the real world I have the choice not to walk around with a party of gays that want into my pants. That is a huge difference. I don't want to offend anyone but that is simply how I feel. I believe that everyone should live like they want to, yet I want the same right.

In the real world, you probably work with people that are gay - you just don't know it.

And I'm fine with it. Things I do not know, also do not make me feel uncomfortable. People can be as gay as can be, as long as they leave me alone with it I really don't mind. It is their choice after all. People do not choose their sexual preferences just like people do not choose what offends them in many cases. I can no more help that gay people make me feel uncomfortable than gay people can help being gay. Does "tolerance" mean to claim things that are simply not true? Is lying tolerant?

I feel offended by people that feel offended about how I feel. It seems that gay people seem to think the same way.

Not comparable at all. I'm disgusted that you think it is. So racists should continue to be racist because it's ~how they feel~? That's a weak excuse. You are choosing to remain ignorant and it's not the same thing at all. If you are uncomfortable it  is all your own doing, no one is imposing on you anything. The same can not be said about homophobes and the like. No one should have to be tolerant of intolerance. 

Please go read a book about pschology and leave me alone with your pseudo liberal hyppocracy. People do not choose how they feel, often such reactions are already in the genes. And attacking people for things which they can not help is highly intolerant of you! Spiders do not disgust me beyound reason because I choose so, it simply is so and I have to live with it.

Modifié par Literateminority, 12 mars 2011 - 11:50 .

[Taura-Tierno]

So I should have the option of choosing whether or not straight romances should be included, if I wanted to? Or whether or not I want to have that chantry in the game or not, because I dislike religion? (I don't dislike religion, for the record, but it'd be the same thing, on a bit bigger scale)

[I Luv DLC]

NotFrom4chan wrote...

This thread has made me wonder one thing, though. Bioware has openly stated they intended to go after the 'CoD crowd' with DA2. Does Bioware imagine that the 12-14 year old boys from middle America who make up the CoD playing demographic are going to respond well to a game where every character is a couple of dialogue options away from a homosexual encounter?

Would love to hear an official respone on this.

[Brahmg]

I Luv DLC wrote...

NotFrom4chan wrote...

This thread has made me wonder one thing, though. Bioware has openly stated they intended to go after the 'CoD crowd' with DA2. Does Bioware imagine that the 12-14 year old boys from middle America who make up the CoD playing demographic are going to respond well to a game where every character is a couple of dialogue options away from a homosexual encounter?

Would love to hear an official respone on this.

Bingo.. This isn't Leisure Suit Larry. DA/2 should be about exploring literal caves not metaphoric ones.

[MPSai]

Brahmg wrote...

 Romance was not what I was looking for when I purchased DA2, and getting hit with it from almost every single char in the game really just makes the storyline taxing.

So don't pursue a romance, I'm still not getting how they're forced on you. I didn't pursue any romances with my female elf mage in Origins, its not hard to avoid completely. Conversely, on my male dalish elf rogue I had planned to romance Morrigan but ended up with Zevran simply because he was a much more interesting character, and his romance plot is a compelling character arc. There's alot of stories and character development that can be done with romances, and a large reason why people enjoy Bioware games IS the characters. 

[PuppetSoul]

nemesis1189 wrote...

Oh, and I'm a little confused with the issues with the term "gay lobby."

Please wake up and realize that there are people who think that homosexuality is wrong. Homosexuals who disagree with these people and LOBBY against them and for additional GAY rights can probably pretty safely be called a "gay lobby."

But what about those of us who are straight and still think you're wrong?  Are we gay by association?  Did they get their gay cooties on us?

And I'm not even going to touch the issue of equality versus entitlement.  There'd be no way for the topic to ever get back on track.

[Brahmg]

MPSai wrote...

Brahmg wrote...

 Romance was not what I was looking for when I purchased DA2, and getting hit with it from almost every single char in the game really just makes the storyline taxing.

So don't pursue a romance, I'm still not getting how they're forced on you. I didn't pursue any romances with my female elf mage in Origins, its not hard to avoid completely. Conversely, on my male dalish elf rogue I had planned to romance Morrigan but ended up with Zevran simply because he was a much more interesting character, and his romance plot is a compelling character arc. There's alot of stories and character development that can be done with romances, and a large reason why people enjoy Bioware games IS the characters. 

I understand you are having a hard time seeing this and I guess this is just something we won't agree on. If you play the game as I have I find myself often choosing options that I do not believe fit the situation at hand as the TONE of the option is Romance, not the CONTEXT of the response.

and as far as bioware game.. as somebody who wasted way to much of his life playing nwnwlala for far to long.. Bioware games are nothing more then a gaming engine, YOU are the characters.

Modifié par Brahmg, 12 mars 2011 - 11:54 .

[Rixxencaxx]

NotFrom4chan wrote...

This thread has made me wonder one thing, though. Bioware has openly stated they intended to go after the 'CoD crowd' with DA2. Does Bioware imagine that the 12-14 year old boys from middle America who make up the CoD playing demographic are going to respond well to a game where every character is a couple of dialogue options away from a homosexual encounter?

people of 12-14 are not allowed to play this game or to access this forum......never heard about ESRB or PEGI????

Modifié par Rixxencaxx, 12 mars 2011 - 11:54 .

[MPSai]

Brahmg wrote...

MPSai wrote...

Brahmg wrote...

 Romance was not what I was looking for when I purchased DA2, and getting hit with it from almost every single char in the game really just makes the storyline taxing.

So don't pursue a romance, I'm still not getting how they're forced on you. I didn't pursue any romances with my female elf mage in Origins, its not hard to avoid completely. Conversely, on my male dalish elf rogue I had planned to romance Morrigan but ended up with Zevran simply because he was a much more interesting character, and his romance plot is a compelling character arc. There's alot of stories and character development that can be done with romances, and a large reason why people enjoy Bioware games IS the characters. 

I understand you are having a hard time seeing this and I guess this is just something we won't agree on. If you play the game as I have I find myself often choosing options that I do not believe fit the situation at hand as the TONE of the option is Romance, not the CONTEXT of the response.

and as far as bioware game.. as somebody who wasted way to much of his life playing nwnwlala for far to long.. Bioware games are nothing more then a gaming engine, YOU are the characters.

So don't choose the response with the heart on it? Is that so terribly difficult? 

I mean this isn't like the Fem!Shep scenario where you couldn't ask Jacob about his day without sounding like you wanted to tear off his clothes with your teeth.

[Brahmg]

Rixxencaxx wrote...

NotFrom4chan wrote...

This thread has made me wonder one thing, though. Bioware has openly stated they intended to go after the 'CoD crowd' with DA2. Does Bioware imagine that the 12-14 year old boys from middle America who make up the CoD playing demographic are going to respond well to a game where every character is a couple of dialogue options away from a homosexual encounter?

people of 12-14 are not allowed to play this game or to access this forum......never heard about ESRB or PEGI????

Ever heard of any one who follows that?

[NotFrom4chan]

Taura-Tierno wrote...

So I should have the option of choosing whether or not straight romances should be included, if I wanted to? Or whether or not I want to have that chantry in the game or not, because I dislike religion? (I don't dislike religion, for the record, but it'd be the same thing, on a bit bigger scale)

What if the game penalised you for not adopting the Muslim faith in-game? Would you have a problem with that? It is disingenous to claim that homosexuality is no longer a controversial issue. Bioware are pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable in contemporary media by doing this, surely that is obvious to everyone.

[Killroyomega]

Rixxencaxx wrote...

NotFrom4chan wrote...

This thread has made me wonder one thing, though. Bioware has openly stated they intended to go after the 'CoD crowd' with DA2. Does Bioware imagine that the 12-14 year old boys from middle America who make up the CoD playing demographic are going to respond well to a game where every character is a couple of dialogue options away from a homosexual encounter?

people of 12-14 are not allowed to play this game or to access this forum......never heard about ESRB or PEGI????

That only applies to retailers selling games.

No one gives a damn what you do with the products at your house.

[Rixxencaxx]

Brahmg wrote...

MPSai wrote...

Brahmg wrote...

 Romance was not what I was looking for when I purchased DA2, and getting hit with it from almost every single char in the game really just makes the storyline taxing.

So don't pursue a romance, I'm still not getting how they're forced on you. I didn't pursue any romances with my female elf mage in Origins, its not hard to avoid completely. Conversely, on my male dalish elf rogue I had planned to romance Morrigan but ended up with Zevran simply because he was a much more interesting character, and his romance plot is a compelling character arc. There's alot of stories and character development that can be done with romances, and a large reason why people enjoy Bioware games IS the characters. 

I understand you are having a hard time seeing this and I guess this is just something we won't agree on. If you play the game as I have I find myself often choosing options that I do not believe fit the situation at hand as the TONE of the option is Romance, not the CONTEXT of the response.

and as far as bioware game.. as somebody who wasted way to much of his life playing nwnwlala for far to long.. Bioware games are nothing more then a gaming engine, YOU are the characters.

omg...you are offended by a bunch of pixels that flirt with you......judging from this life out of your sleeping room could be very creepy

[Brahmg]

MPSai wrote...

Brahmg wrote...

MPSai wrote...

Brahmg wrote...

 Romance was not what I was looking for when I purchased DA2, and getting hit with it from almost every single char in the game really just makes the storyline taxing.

So don't pursue a romance, I'm still not getting how they're forced on you. I didn't pursue any romances with my female elf mage in Origins, its not hard to avoid completely. Conversely, on my male dalish elf rogue I had planned to romance Morrigan but ended up with Zevran simply because he was a much more interesting character, and his romance plot is a compelling character arc. There's alot of stories and character development that can be done with romances, and a large reason why people enjoy Bioware games IS the characters. 

I understand you are having a hard time seeing this and I guess this is just something we won't agree on. If you play the game as I have I find myself often choosing options that I do not believe fit the situation at hand as the TONE of the option is Romance, not the CONTEXT of the response.

and as far as bioware game.. as somebody who wasted way to much of his life playing nwnwlala for far to long.. Bioware games are nothing more then a gaming engine, YOU are the characters.

So don't choose the response with the heart on it? Is that so terribly difficult? 

I mean this isn't like the Fem!Shep scenario where you couldn't ask Jacob about his day without sounding like you wanted to tear off his clothes with your teeth.

Clearly you are missing my point as we are going in circles now. You are correct I will choose the option that I do not feel fits best how I choose to play my character out of fear of ending up with pentaliziation from unwanted rivarly point or an unwanted romantic sublet. Just what I'm looking for in an RPG.

Modifié par Brahmg, 12 mars 2011 - 11:57 .

[PuppetSoul]

Rixxencaxx wrote...
people of 12-14 are not allowed to play this game or to access this forum......never heard about ESRB or PEGI???

Correction: not SUPPOSED to be allowed.

But by all means, try to find a adolescent male without an M rated game in their library.  I'll wait.

[Rixxencaxx]

Killroyomega wrote...

Rixxencaxx wrote...

NotFrom4chan wrote...

This thread has made me wonder one thing, though. Bioware has openly stated they intended to go after the 'CoD crowd' with DA2. Does Bioware imagine that the 12-14 year old boys from middle America who make up the CoD playing demographic are going to respond well to a game where every character is a couple of dialogue options away from a homosexual encounter?

people of 12-14 are not allowed to play this game or to access this forum......never heard about ESRB or PEGI????

That only applies to retailers selling games.

No one gives a damn what you do with the products at your house.

and if you don't buy it........how do you play the game??? aaaaaaa stupid question.....so bioware shouldn't care about "non customers" opinion....

Modifié par Rixxencaxx, 12 mars 2011 - 11:59 .

[Brahmg]

Rixxencaxx wrote...

Brahmg wrote...

MPSai wrote...

Brahmg wrote...

 Romance was not what I was looking for when I purchased DA2, and getting hit with it from almost every single char in the game really just makes the storyline taxing.

So don't pursue a romance, I'm still not getting how they're forced on you. I didn't pursue any romances with my female elf mage in Origins, its not hard to avoid completely. Conversely, on my male dalish elf rogue I had planned to romance Morrigan but ended up with Zevran simply because he was a much more interesting character, and his romance plot is a compelling character arc. There's alot of stories and character development that can be done with romances, and a large reason why people enjoy Bioware games IS the characters. 

I understand you are having a hard time seeing this and I guess this is just something we won't agree on. If you play the game as I have I find myself often choosing options that I do not believe fit the situation at hand as the TONE of the option is Romance, not the CONTEXT of the response.

and as far as bioware game.. as somebody who wasted way to much of his life playing nwnwlala for far to long.. Bioware games are nothing more then a gaming engine, YOU are the characters.

omg...you are offended by a bunch of pixels that flirt with you......judging from this life out of your sleeping room could be very creepy

Child, I'm not offended. I said it takes away from the experience in the game. It's not what I'm looking for when I purchase a title called Dragon Age 2. Trust me, I've done some ****ed up ****.

[untoldsarcasm]

Literateminority wrote...

untoldsarcasm wrote...

Literateminority wrote...

aerows wrote...

Literateminority wrote...

untoldsarcasm wrote...

 By the way, in the real world you don't get a toggle to switch off homosexuality. So it would be pretty unrealistic to implement it in game. How about you simply handle it in a way any decent person in real life would? Just don't flirt back/make your own sexual orientation known. 

In the real world I have the choice not to walk around with a party of gays that want into my pants. That is a huge difference. I don't want to offend anyone but that is simply how I feel. I believe that everyone should live like they want to, yet I want the same right.

In the real world, you probably work with people that are gay - you just don't know it.

And I'm fine with it. Things I do not know, also do not make me feel uncomfortable. People can be as gay as can be, as long as they leave me alone with it I really don't mind. It is their choice after all. People do not choose their sexual preferences just like people do not choose what offends them in many cases. I can no more help that gay people make me feel uncomfortable than gay people can help being gay. Does "tolerance" mean to claim things that are simply not true? Is lying tolerant?

I feel offended by people that feel offended about how I feel. It seems that gay people seem to think the same way.

Not comparable at all. I'm disgusted that you think it is. So racists should continue to be racist because it's ~how they feel~? That's a weak excuse. You are choosing to remain ignorant and it's not the same thing at all. If you are uncomfortable it  is all your own doing, no one is imposing on you anything. The same can not be said about homophobes and the like. No one should have to be tolerant of intolerance. 

Please go read a book about pschology and leave me alone with your pseudo liberal hyppocracy. People do not choose how they feel, often such reactions are already in the genes. And attacking people for things which they can not help is highly intolerant of you! Spiders do not disgust me beyound reason because I choose so, it simply is so and I have to live with it.

I'm convinced you are trolling now, because this is just too funny. I'm not the one that needs to pick up a book here. 

Oh, and just to clarify then... you find it acceptable to be racist, yes?

[Akitainu28]

I have not seen a gay man walk down the street and hit on every man he comes across. Have you? Or is Kirkwall one big gay bar? Lets make it easier for the gay AI shell we? So they can find a receptive counterparts for there advances.

Best suggestion I heard here is to have an option to pick your sexually at character creator! Brilliant a must for DA3! Much betta idea then my on/off option. Makes everyone happy and is less offencive to the "gay community that plays video games". I hope they do not have a problem with and option of picking ones sexuality right that what they are all about. Thus I get bit confused with all the argument against freedom of choice in this thread.


I do not get Biowares hard line position. It saying that some are more equal then others. Fighting for the freedoms of some by encroaching on freedoms of others.


In DA2 issue not solved at all by given marking the option that makes you flirt. Simply because this option pop up in every single conversation you have with that character. You have to watch out for it not to press it by mistake. You are forced to read it. Its annoying being forced to declare your self and say NO all the time by not pressing that text line. Its annoying

Its same as a chick in a bar being hassled by a guy that just cant take NO for an answer. If she for forced to avoid flirting with him as much as you are forced in the DA2 she would called the cops on him by now!

Problem is as well there no option to say NO I do not what flirtation, option to break his hart makes you get tons of negative points. Thus you being punished for not being gay.
Just give people an option to pick sexuality during character creation. SIMPLE!

As well DA2 does not sell in USA only, world is not shaped by the power of certain lobbyist in the congress. Something to take into consideration.

Modifié par Akitainu28, 13 mars 2011 - 12:00 .

[Brahmg]

Rixxencaxx wrote...

Killroyomega wrote...

Rixxencaxx wrote...

NotFrom4chan wrote...

This thread has made me wonder one thing, though. Bioware has openly stated they intended to go after the 'CoD crowd' with DA2. Does Bioware imagine that the 12-14 year old boys from middle America who make up the CoD playing demographic are going to respond well to a game where every character is a couple of dialogue options away from a homosexual encounter?

people of 12-14 are not allowed to play this game or to access this forum......never heard about ESRB or PEGI????

That only applies to retailers selling games.

No one gives a damn what you do with the products at your house.

and if you don't buy it........how do you play the game??? aaaaaaa stupid question.....so bioware shouldn't care about "non customers" opinion....

You buy it like a good number of us did, VIA Steam or EA.

[MPSai]

Brahmg wrote...

MPSai wrote...

Brahmg wrote...

MPSai wrote...

Brahmg wrote...

 Romance was not what I was looking for when I purchased DA2, and getting hit with it from almost every single char in the game really just makes the storyline taxing.

So don't pursue a romance, I'm still not getting how they're forced on you. I didn't pursue any romances with my female elf mage in Origins, its not hard to avoid completely. Conversely, on my male dalish elf rogue I had planned to romance Morrigan but ended up with Zevran simply because he was a much more interesting character, and his romance plot is a compelling character arc. There's alot of stories and character development that can be done with romances, and a large reason why people enjoy Bioware games IS the characters. 

I understand you are having a hard time seeing this and I guess this is just something we won't agree on. If you play the game as I have I find myself often choosing options that I do not believe fit the situation at hand as the TONE of the option is Romance, not the CONTEXT of the response.

and as far as bioware game.. as somebody who wasted way to much of his life playing nwnwlala for far to long.. Bioware games are nothing more then a gaming engine, YOU are the characters.

So don't choose the response with the heart on it? Is that so terribly difficult? 

I mean this isn't like the Fem!Shep scenario where you couldn't ask Jacob about his day without sounding like you wanted to tear off his clothes with your teeth.

Clearly you are missing my point as we are going in circles now. You are correct I will choose the option that I do not feel fits best how I choose to play my character out of fear of ending up with pentaliziation from unwanted rivarly point or an unwanted romantic sublet. Just what I'm looking for in an RPG.

So you're saying romances are forced on you because you're obsessed with maxing out approval ratings? That's... kind of your own problem dude. Personally I like how the characters come across as, you know, people, people who you can't please all of the time and who won't always agree with you.

[PuppetSoul]

NotFrom4chan wrote...
What if the game penalised you for not adopting the Muslim faith in-game? Would you have a problem with that? It is disingenous to claim that homosexuality is no longer a controversial issue. Bioware are pushing the boundaries of what is acceptable in contemporary media by doing this, surely that is obvious to everyone.

The game does force an in-game religion on you: The Maker.

[AngelicMachinery]

Being bisexual is awesome sauce, everyone should try it.