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[Tarek]

Hi all,

anyways when I was playing ME 2 last night for the 14th time, and when I was on Tali mission (not gonna put spoilers). an idea occured to me...

could the dark energy and the distabaliztion of the the sun have something to do with some kind of super weapon that is going to help us stop the reaper super fleet!!!

I mean will we be blowing up stars in order to kill the reaper threat, and if so will the solar system (ours) bit the dust as we evacuate earth and defend the retreating fleets of refugees in an epic space battle as we also buy time for the super weapon to be deployed and then nova = lost for reaper spare parts???!!!!

hehe I know its a long shot but it might just be the answer, becuase I can't see how the combined fleets of all the races are going to stand against thousands of reaper super ships in a space battle!!!

anyway the relationship between dark energy and effects on stars and other stuff was mentioned several times in ME2 and that's what got me wondering.

so what you think?

[XyleJKH]

Yes... lets blow up the star systems to stop the reapers... good idea!
Hmm... then we can all just live in starships like the quarians, and they are Soooo happy living like that

[Tarek]

XyleJKH wrote...

Yes... lets blow up the star systems to stop the reapers... good idea!
Hmm... then we can all just live in starships like the quarians, and they are Soooo happy living like that

lol XD

well is blowing up 2 or 3 stars that much of a problem , we get to save the galaxy and we still have 3.99999999997 billion stars left

[tbar67]

lol Destroy a few stars to save the rest

[Aedan_Cousland]

 

I mean will we be blowing up stars in order to kill the reaper threat, and if so will the solar system (ours) bit the dust as we evacuate earth and defend the retreating fleets of refugees in an epic space battle as we also buy time for the super weapon to be deployed and then nova = lost for reaper spare parts???!!!!

I would love to see Shepard defeat the Reapers by somehow triggering a supernova or hypernova. You are literally talking about some of the largest and most powerful explosions in the universe, not to mention one of the most destructive forces known to man. There is no way the Reapers could surive if caught in one, as even planets in those systems are pulverised. It would be pretty sweet to see the Reapers destroyed in the biggest explosion EVER to be portrayed in a video game, and it would explain how the Council species win despite being at a technological disadvantage.

The problem however is that the teaser trailer implies in the final battle will take place in our solar system. Besides the fact that the destruction of the Earth would also be disastrous for humanity, our Sun is not a supernova candidate. It would either need to be a white dwarf in a binary system that consumes the other star, causing a runaway chain reaction that results in one hell of a big bang, or a much more massive star like Betelgeuse that is nearing the end of it's 'life' and producing heavy elements. When a massive star like Betelgeuse starts producing iron, it's game over for the star, and results in a supernova.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 12 mars 2011 - 09:17 .

[Tarek]

yah ur right damn small star

i wonder how are they gonna win and will the reapers invade earth alone or branch out to invade many worlds at the same time.

[samuraix87]

we could use the relays as big ass guns to propel some dark energy missle through the relays

[88mphSlayer]

obviously i think there should be multiple endings, at least one where you can lose, but at least 2 depending on whether you saved the base or not and how far you're willing to go in either direction in the 3rd game

so maybe you lose by blowing up the sun, you win paragon style by amassing every cruiser in citadel space, you win renegade style by recruiting some citadel races and indoctrinating terminus system races or whatever

[Elvis_Mazur]

I'm still wondering.

If the Reaper created the Mass Relays, why didn't they also use the same nearly impenetrable material in their own armor?

Using Sovereign as an example, we saw the Reapers armor aren't that effective, and therefore a supernova could destroy them.

But, creating such strong structures and not using the same material in them themselves doesn't make sense to me.

Edit: The Mu Relay survived a supernova.

Modifié par PetrySilva, 12 mars 2011 - 10:30 .

[Inspectre]

But the Mu Relay wasn't even scratched by a super nova.

Edit:
Ah yes, "snipers"

Modifié par Dragon XIX, 12 mars 2011 - 10:31 .

[EssenceEngine]

There are several issues with this idea. Not only is blowing up a star a tad difficult, you would also have to ensure that the Reapers are not only there to begin with but that they also stick around to be hit by the blast. Remember: As as soon as the Reapers detect that the star is about to go off (and do not tell me that they with their millions of years more advanced technology cannot) they just need to faster-than-light out of there. And you can forget about luring the Reapers anywhere that is not inhabited meaning that you would have to sacrifice a habitable solar system for each vector of attack the Reapers employ.

Additionally, to affect a stars mass enough for it to go supernova would mean creating an eezo core of unprecendented magnitude, move it around to whatever system you wish to annihilate and then stick around to keep that mass effect field going until the last second. Heavy risk.

When it comes to the question of why the Repears have not clad themselves in whatever material the Relays consist of, it can be speculated that this alloy is somehow not suitable use as armor. It may be a natural super-conductor of some sort, possibly being problematic for AI inhabitation in the sense that it would provide poor protection from electrical attacks or otherwise be too easily manipulated by the enemy.
Though, admittedly, a more likely scenario is that it is one of those aspects of the Reapers that we cannot hope to comprehend.

Modifié par EssenceEngine, 12 mars 2011 - 10:54 .

[Tarek]

yah that's true too Essenceengine, and Dragon XIX
hmmmm...

and maybe just MAYBE the reaper did NOT build the mass relays!! maybe they are big fat liars!!

it just seems impossible to defeat then without some crazy plan, I don't want to become a husk

[008Zulu]

No need to black out the stars. In Mass Effect 2 Shepard hollowed out every planet in the galaxy to get his 10% damgae boost on his pistol he never uses. It'll be like the Reapers show up to the party only to find there is no food left.

[Destroy Raiden_]

While it sounds cool in theory in principle I just don't see how another Hastrom does anything useful. Sure it's got killer heat and mega radiation but it's a slow cooker and even if you say hit the star and it goes nova boom you'd need to be in the next galaxy to avoid the blast and even then you're not safe sense a nova splits into two directions and you have no way to predict just which direction it'll go in so whomever you send out will have a 50/50 chance of dying and blowing up the tech that you used to generate the nova so not good.

I want my planet killer as much as the next guy but even I have a hard time figuring how its going to hurt a wide spread of reapers even if I cast said death ray onto the ships would it blow up one or all I see infront of me or do they have such anime mega shield protection that it just fries the shields only?

[DeucesAreWild]

My vote is for massive black holes

[Aedan_Cousland]

Dragon XIX wrote...

But the Mu Relay wasn't even scratched by a super nova.

Edit:
Ah yes, "snipers"

This is a common misconception that gets repeated here whenever someone mentions supernovae as a means of defeating the Reapers. Unfortunately, it is incorrect.

It is merely stated that a supernova knocked the Mu Relay out of it's last known position. It is never mentioned however, how close the Mu Relay actually was to that supernova. Chances are, the Mu Relay was not orbiting the star that went supernova. If it was in the same star system, it would have been reduced to dust and gas just like whatever planets may have orbited the star. The power unleashed by the cannon that destroyed the Derelict Reaper PALES in comparison to the power unleashed by an exploding star.

Modifié par Aedan_Cousland, 13 mars 2011 - 01:18 .

[Whatever42]

Shockwave of supernova is much slower than the speed of light. Reapers would see it coming long before it arrived and just liesurely move out of the way.

[DocGriffin]

How do we defeat them? Trick question!

THE CYCLE CANNOT BE BROKEN

[Gill Kaiser]

I always assumed that Haestrom's star was being remotely affected by the Reapers, perhaps to create a wormhole that might allow them to come back to the galaxy without the Citadel relay.

[VanTesla]

More likely the Reapers will use such a tactic as last resort to kill the enemy.

[JediNg]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Shockwave of supernova is much slower than the speed of light. Reapers would see it coming long before it arrived and just liesurely move out of the way.

dat radiation flux

[xentar]

XyleJKH wrote...
Yes... lets blow up the star systems to stop the reapers... good idea! 
Hmm... then we can all just live in starships like the quarians, and they are Soooo happy living like that

Obvious points aside, with their social organization and level of social equality, they might as well be happier than an average citizen of, say, Ilium or Earth, despite their living conditions.

[JediNg]

xentar wrote...

XyleJKH wrote...
Yes... lets blow up the star systems to stop the reapers... good idea! 
Hmm... then we can all just live in starships like the quarians, and they are Soooo happy living like that

Obvious points aside, with their social organization and level of social equality, they might as well be happier than an average citizen of, say, Ilium or Earth, despite their living conditions.

Stopping the reapers is also preferable to extinction.

[Phategod1]

not a bad idea problem is getting them all in one system.