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[mgs00]

just equip millions of fighting ships with the one weapon that destroyed the collector ship. by me3 im pretty sure they have done that or have upgraded the weapon.

[EssenceEngine]

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

This is a common misconception that gets repeated here whenever someone mentions supernovae as a means of defeating the Reapers. Unfortunately, it is incorrect.

It is merely stated that a supernova knocked the Mu Relay out of it's last known position. It is never mentioned however, how close the Mu Relay actually was to that supernova. Chances are, the Mu Relay was not orbiting the star that went supernova. If it was in the same star system, it would have been reduced to dust and gas just like whatever planets may have orbited the star. The power unleashed by the cannon that destroyed the Derelict Reaper PALES in comparison to the power unleashed by an exploding star.

You make a good point. It is unlikely for the Mu Relay to even have to be in a neighboring system to be enveloped by the resulting nebula as such stellar phenomena can be sizeable to the extent that it is difficult to comprehend.

Though I am curious regarding how much energy the blast loses when it traverses the void. Conventional wisdom holds that it should be rather minimal as it faces little opposition in space, yet the fact that the shockwave stops after having traveled a distance that is relatively small on the galactic scale indicates that it does in fact lose momentum rather rapidly. Logic would state that it simply cools down enough to "stop". In short, Aedan would appear correct.


The idea of creating massive singularities to use against the Reapers is rather preposterous, no offense intended. The amount of Element Zero required would be even higher than that needed to affect a star and considering the effectively short range of eezo, the singularity would likely drag its creator into itself, possibly resulting in its early demise (though that is very uncertain since we do not actually know with any certainty what happens to objects consumed by black holes).

Aside from that, the Reapers have proven themselves capable of surviving the conditions surrounding the aforementioned stellar phenomenae, though I risk spoiling by going further into that.

Modifié par EssenceEngine, 13 mars 2011 - 11:28 .

[JediNg]

EssenceEngine wrote...

Aedan_Cousland wrote...

This is a common misconception that gets repeated here whenever someone mentions supernovae as a means of defeating the Reapers. Unfortunately, it is incorrect.

It is merely stated that a supernova knocked the Mu Relay out of it's last known position. It is never mentioned however, how close the Mu Relay actually was to that supernova. Chances are, the Mu Relay was not orbiting the star that went supernova. If it was in the same star system, it would have been reduced to dust and gas just like whatever planets may have orbited the star. The power unleashed by the cannon that destroyed the Derelict Reaper PALES in comparison to the power unleashed by an exploding star.

You make a good point. It is unlikely for the Mu Relay to even have to be in a neighboring system to be enveloped by the resulting nebula as such stellar phenomena can be sizeable to the extent that it is difficult to comprehend.

Though I am curious regarding how much energy the blast loses when it traverses the void. Conventional wisdom holds that it should be rather minimal as it faces little opposition in space, yet the fact that the shockwave stops after having traveled a distance that is relatively small on the galactic scale indicates that it does in fact lose momentum rather rapidly. Logic would state that it simply cools down enough to "stop". In short, Aedan would appear correct.


The idea of creating massive singularities to use against the Reapers is rather preposterous, no offense intended. The amount of Element Zero required would be even higher than that needed to affect a star and considering the effectively short range of eezo, the singularity would likely drag its creator into itself, possibly resulting in its early demise (though that is very uncertain since we do not actually know with any certainty what happens to objects consumed by black holes).

Aside from that, the Reapers have proven themselves capable of surviving the conditions surrounding the aforementioned stellar phenomenae, though I risk spoiling by going further into that.

radiation intensity diminishes as 1/r^2.
If you mean the mass sent flying, that's a little more complicated, but out in space it'll be slowed mostly by the interstellar medium in addition to diminished energy just due to the fact that it spreads out.

[Ghost Warrior]

Phategod1 wrote...

not a bad idea problem is getting them all in one system.

This

[Milkweed]

Its more likley the reapers are probably using up the energy in stars to power up thier fleets remember they have been in hybernation for some time, or it is a tactic to get other species to submit without having to fight lare numbers in ground and orbital conflict, possibly both.but what do i know

[Milkweed]

A usfull weapon would be the batarian light magnification "tool" for "terraforming". if they arent going to become new allies of the reapers as strange as the reasonig for doing would be.

[Thracecius]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

I always assumed that Haestrom's star was being remotely affected by the Reapers, perhaps to create a wormhole that might allow them to come back to the galaxy without the Citadel relay.

I had that same thought regarding Haestrom's rapid aging, though I don't think it is being remotely controlled, but rather the process was set in motion a long time ago as a back-door entry into the galaxy. The one curiousity that I haven't been able to puzzle out yet though is, if that's their exit point, where is the entrance if they're out beyond the edge of the galaxy?

For those interested in this sort of heavy sci-fi, I highly recommend you read Jeffrey Carver's "Sunborn" (Book 4 of the Chaos Chronicles series), as it deals extensively with just this sort of subject.

[EssenceEngine]

JediNg wrote...
If you mean the mass sent flying, that's a little more complicated, but out in space it'll be slowed mostly by the interstellar medium in addition to diminished energy just due to the fact that it spreads out.

Of course! I knew there was a hole in my logic! You have my thanks for filling me in.

[InvincibleHero]

Except Sol is not large enough to go supernova or create a black hole of note. Just read a nifty article on that recently.

I wouldn't want to sacrfiice our solar system even if it would work. You'd just make humanity like the Quarians except they'd have to go to colonies where the planet could not support the mass numbers of earth refugees.

[JediNg]

EssenceEngine wrote...

Of course! I knew there was a hole in my logic! You have my thanks for filling me in.

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[Tarek]

where is captain Kirk when you need him

anyways I hope Bioware give us some awesome surprises in ME3...
And since the reapers are on earth, how are we going to get rid of them without turning London and every other city into a huge crater??

Oh well better go practice my Husk language *insert weird husk zombie noise*

[DRSH]

Here's the best idea: you tell the Reapers there are no fish on the Presidium lake. They will be furious. They will be angry. They will be sad. They will commit suicide. Problem solved. Reapers defeated. Barbeque anyone?

[Tarek]

DRSH wrote...

Here's the best idea: you tell the Reapers there are no fish on the Presidium lake. They will be furious. They will be angry. They will be sad. They will commit suicide. Problem solved. Reapers defeated. Barbeque anyone?

I agree

[JediNg]

DRSH wrote...

Here's the best idea: you tell the Reapers there are no fish on the Presidium lake. They will be furious. They will be angry. They will be sad. They will commit suicide. Problem solved. Reapers defeated. Barbeque anyone?

So long, and thanks for all the fish.

[Grimjesse127]

Can't they just make Shepard die? And the end of the humans arrive?

[EssenceEngine]

JediNg wrote...

EssenceEngine wrote...

Of course! I knew there was a hole in my logic! You have my thanks for filling me in.

notsureifsrs.jpg

Hmm, I feared it would come across as such. I am being serious, I am merely found lacking in ability to properly express myself in certain things.

[The real truth]

No thats not the only problem the main problem is getting them to stay there.

The bait is Earth, how exactly do you get them to stay while everyone leaves.

[Tarek]

The real truth wrote...

No thats not the only problem the main problem is getting them to stay there.

The bait is Earth, how exactly do you get them to stay while everyone leaves.

Shepard takes off his shirt .... and as the reapers enjoy the show... everyone escapes we bust a cap into the suns face and BAM 

[008Zulu]

JediNg wrote...
radiation intensity diminishes as 1/r^2.
If you mean the mass sent flying, that's a little more complicated, but out in space it'll be slowed mostly by the interstellar medium in addition to diminished energy just due to the fact that it spreads out.

Its funny. In the first game, they forgot Newton's 3rd law. In the second game, they remember it. The Mu relay was knocked out of a system, according to the law it should have kept on moving.

[The real truth]

008Zulu wrote...

JediNg wrote...
radiation intensity diminishes as 1/r^2.
If you mean the mass sent flying, that's a little more complicated, but out in space it'll be slowed mostly by the interstellar medium in addition to diminished energy just due to the fact that it spreads out.

Its funny. In the first game, they forgot Newton's 3rd law. In the second game, they remember it. The Mu relay was knocked out of a system, according to the law it should have kept on moving.

Maybe it was still moving until the Rachni found it

Modifié par The real truth, 14 mars 2011 - 10:48 .

[Tarek]

The real truth wrote...

008Zulu wrote...

JediNg wrote...
radiation intensity diminishes as 1/r^2.
If you mean the mass sent flying, that's a little more complicated, but out in space it'll be slowed mostly by the interstellar medium in addition to diminished energy just due to the fact that it spreads out.

Its funny. In the first game, they forgot Newton's 3rd law. In the second game, they remember it. The Mu relay was knocked out of a system, according to the law it should have kept on moving.

Maybe it was still moving until the Rachni found it

indeed.

I think we start building thousands of dreadnoughts , since blowing sol is out of the question, but we have no time

hope the geth and the rachni have like 10000000000ships hidden away and they help us.

[Xivai]

Collector base is orbiting a black holes accretion disk in the middle of the galactic core. I seriously doubt a super nova is going to do anything to the Reapers unless they had no time to prepare. Hell even then a Reaper was still alive in inside of the brown dwarf. I really think the key to their strength is the powerful shields they have. We've consistently seen them go down once those are shut down. However Sovereign only had his shut down because he was distracted channelling time and energy into fighting Shepard and trying to unlock the Citadel. All I know is if that super nova doesn't work, a good chunk of the galaxy is screwed. It will probably end up hurting us more than the Reapers.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Look blowing up stars to defeat the reapers is kind of like suggesting vaporizing the pacific ocean to kill a scrimp, If you have the technology to blow up a star then the reapers are really not a threat to you.

[Tamcia]

I say spam Reapers with DOS attack (Denial of service). Or trick them into installing windows millennium to get the blue screen
I wonder if you could infect them with a virus... These would be more subtle solutions.

Always wondered - Citadel is a mass relay right? Why not jump through it, and check out whats there? There should be a huge mass relay there as well. You might find the "DO NOT PUSH" button, that disables all reapers!

[Cancer Puppet]

Gill Kaiser wrote...

I always assumed that Haestrom's star was being remotely affected by the Reapers, perhaps to create a wormhole that might allow them to come back to the galaxy without the Citadel relay.

That's a great theory, actually.