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[Mulister]

I imported my save from DA:O in which Leliana died,but when she still appeared in DA2 & while doing Sebastian's quest she said she was with the warden?Is this is a glitch?

[ziloe]

They probably retconed it because they were too lazy to do otherwise.

[TheRevanchist]

Theres alot of ret-cons in the DA universe...just somthing we gonna have to accept sadly.

[BaronIveagh]

Yeah, like Anders alive.

[LPPrince]

I'm okay with Leliana being forced alive.

Its a retcon I can accept. She's apparently important enough to survive, so just go with it. She's only in the game for a few moments if you don't have the Exiled Prince and if you DO have it then she's in for what, 5-10 minutes?

[MKDAWUSS]

And I remember when the possibility of recurring characters was going to be slim because of the reason being "they may be dead"

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

For the couple thousand (maybe) play throughs where Leliana died, I'm sure this is a surprise. For the tens of thousands where she didn't die... It was a great moment.

[hotiedethknt]

Do you only get the exiled prince by buying the expansion?

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

You can buy it as DLC.

[ZeroDotZero]

I watched Leliana's head go flying off. If she is in that playthrough, then a royal 'WTF' is in order.

[Reginthorn]

How does Leliana die in Dragon Age: Origins? Is it a DLC mission?

[Mulister]

Reginthorn wrote...

How does Leliana die in Dragon Age: Origins? Is it a DLC mission?

If you don't talk to her before leaving Lothering you can't go back and she's dead.

[Valus]

Another Leliana is dead moment;

you can also choose to corrupt the urn of sacred ashes and if either she or Wynne is in your group they will go hostile and you'll have to kill them.

I wasn't happy to see this either since it was an easy replacement to work around for the ending and DLC.

But please keep in mind fantasy settings are rife with retcons so it's not exactly something new. Not to mention Leliana is an incredibly deep character so, if they were going to rez anyone, glad it was her.

[Cuthlan]

Mulister wrote...

Reginthorn wrote...

How does Leliana die in Dragon Age: Origins? Is it a DLC mission?

If you don't talk to her before leaving Lothering you can't go back and she's dead.

Why is she dead?

At the start of DA2 when you meet Aveline, there is a comment about the templars abandoning Lothering. It's very unlikely that they would leave the Chantry's sisterhood behind.

Just because you didn't recruit her doesn't mean she died.

There is, however, a place in DA:O she CAN die. I do not know if she shows up in DA2 if she died at that point or not.

[MerchantGOL]

Maybe you just Left her for dead *shrugs*

[moonandserpent]

Anders coming back from the dead, I didn't mind...

(He had an arrow in his neck and a hundred darkspawn at his feet when last I saw him in Awakenings.)

Given that Justice could be keeping him around much the way that Wynne was kept alive. (Sure he never addressed that, but the game is being "told" by an unreliable narrator, after all.)

I honestly didn't even know it was possible to kill Lelianna, in DA:O though. Is it wrong that I'm not sad to see that little retcon? Her appearance works so well AND now she's a direct bridge between the Warden and Hawke.

[AlexXIV]

LPPrince wrote...

I'm okay with Leliana being forced alive.

Its a retcon I can accept. She's apparently important enough to survive, so just go with it. She's only in the game for a few moments if you don't have the Exiled Prince and if you DO have it then she's in for what, 5-10 minutes?

Let me guess, you are not bothered because you never killed her. I didn't kill her either, actually she is my LI in half my playthroughs. But I guess for such as us it is easy to accept because it isn't really a retcon for us

What interests me more is if she has been a seeker spy to begin with. I mean the Warden picks her up in the chantry and she basically forces herself into your group. That was my first thought when I saw her in the epilogue.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 12 mars 2011 - 10:39 .

[Mulister]

Cuthlan wrote...

Mulister wrote...

Reginthorn wrote...

How does Leliana die in Dragon Age: Origins? Is it a DLC mission?

If you don't talk to her before leaving Lothering you can't go back and she's dead.

Why is she dead?

At the start of DA2 when you meet Aveline, there is a comment about the templars abandoning Lothering. It's very unlikely that they would leave the Chantry's sisterhood behind.

Just because you didn't recruit her doesn't mean she died.

There is, however, a place in DA:O she CAN die. I do not know if she shows up in DA2 if she died at that point or not.

But she still told Hawke she was with the Hero of Fereldan while she wasn't,how are you going to explain that

[wetnasty]

Mulister wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...

Mulister wrote...

Reginthorn wrote...

How does Leliana die in Dragon Age: Origins? Is it a DLC mission?

If you don't talk to her before leaving Lothering you can't go back and she's dead.

Why is she dead?

At the start of DA2 when you meet Aveline, there is a comment about the templars abandoning Lothering. It's very unlikely that they would leave the Chantry's sisterhood behind.

Just because you didn't recruit her doesn't mean she died.

There is, however, a place in DA:O she CAN die. I do not know if she shows up in DA2 if she died at that point or not.

But she still told Hawke she was with the Hero of Fereldan while she wasn't,how are you going to explain that

Clearly she's a liar.

[_Somebody]

What if you killed her after you taint the Sacred Ashes...

[AlexXIV]

wetnasty wrote...

Mulister wrote...

Cuthlan wrote...

Mulister wrote...

Reginthorn wrote...

How does Leliana die in Dragon Age: Origins? Is it a DLC mission?

If you don't talk to her before leaving Lothering you can't go back and she's dead.

Why is she dead?

At the start of DA2 when you meet Aveline, there is a comment about the templars abandoning Lothering. It's very unlikely that they would leave the Chantry's sisterhood behind.

Just because you didn't recruit her doesn't mean she died.

There is, however, a place in DA:O she CAN die. I do not know if she shows up in DA2 if she died at that point or not.

But she still told Hawke she was with the Hero of Fereldan while she wasn't,how are you going to explain that

Clearly she's a liar.

Clearly Bioware never makes mistakes. They only take risks and make decissions. And always proud that they did it.

[Eumerin]

AlexXIV wrote...

What interests me more is if she has been a seeker spy to begin with. I mean the Warden picks her up in the chantry and she basically forces herself into your group. That was my first thought when I saw her in the epilogue.

I doubt it.  When you get her backstory in DA:O, it's clear that it's only been a little while since she left her mentor.  She's almost certainly just as she presents herself.

The likely explanation is that her exploits in Fereldan (particularly is she was a companion of the Hero, as she usually is) drew her to the attention of the Divine, who then recruited her as a special agent.  Her training as a bard, her experience fighting the Blight, and her very powerful faith, would all combine to make her a useful agent for the Divine.

The only possible issue might be Leliana's somewhat...  unusual... understanding of some of the Chantry doctrines.  But a Divine that's more interested in setting things right than strict adherence to the doctrine wouldn't have a problem with that.

[Sergeant Pepper]

The Fallout series has often allowed the player to influence different outcomes for the games' endings but with only certain ones being considered canon.

Bioware went beyond this by allowing certain outcomes to influence the sequel via game save but I guess they have outcomes that are considered canon and thus, regardless of the player's choice, decisions made in DA:O are disregarded where they affect canon.

Maybe it's because I'm used to the Fallout series that I see no problem with it here.

[Valus]

moonandserpent wrote...

Anders coming back from the dead, I didn't mind...

(He had an arrow in his neck and a hundred darkspawn at his feet when last I saw him in Awakenings.)

Given that Justice could be keeping him around much the way that Wynne was kept alive. (Sure he never addressed that, but the game is being "told" by an unreliable narrator, after all.)

I honestly didn't even know it was possible to kill Lelianna, in DA:O though. Is it wrong that I'm not sad to see that little retcon? Her appearance works so well AND now she's a direct bridge between the Warden and Hawke.

It honestly works very well if they decide to canonize Leliana existing past DA:O which apparently is\\ the case unless my import is bugged and/or she is a zombie. One of the endings for her (if she isn't hardened, ashes are secured, and not a LI of the warden) is to start working for the chantry, makes sense with her background that a job as a seeker is well suited. Another one is that letter that never managed to make its way into awakenings. It mentions she is off on an exclusive meeting with the Grand Cleric.While the Zevran/Leliana letters never made into the release it shows that the intent was there to funnel her back into the chantry eventually was at least on thier minds.

[Emeraq]

The only reason it doesn't sit well with me, that characters which died in my play through of DA:O are alive and well in DA2, is that it takes the choices you made, pisses on them, and makes your playing experience(s) inconsequential, for the simple fact that it's their story and they are going to tell it like they want to. (Yes I'm well aware that it truly is their story)

I truly thought one of the selling points of DA, and other Bioware games, is that your choices were supposed to matter.

I understand that there's many variables that have to be considered and that it would take a lot more work and a lot more time to work with all these variables, but in the case of Leliana, if she died in your DA:O play through, when it comes time for the Champion to meet the individual being sent by the chantry it would have been very easy during that scene in the story for Varric to tell Cassandra, "Well you know well what happens next, as you are the one the Chantry sent to Kirkwall, why don't you tell me what happened from your perspective"