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[this isnt my name]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Ostagar2011 wrote...

This is EA relying on the fact that Armatyr does not want the time and hassle to take them to court over this shamefully abusive EULA.

Have faith - courts are slowly tearing these, deceitful, dishonest, underhand "contracts" under a raft of other laws. Using foul language should never ban you from using using a product that you legally paid for. From the forums, yes. From what you paid for, no.

I hope someone to whom this has happened has the konigees to stand up for their rights and take legal action. EA do not own you, they cannot do whatever they like, and they are not above the law. Just because you clicked "I agree" on a 200 page illegible EULA does not necessarily mean that you you have just accepted someone as your master.

Back up the truck for a second, because nobody's actually established this is "real" yet...

Do me a favour. Go and read through his posts on this thread again. Really just read them.

I don't think the sinister 1984 thing happened to him at all. We've actually been told that's not being done any more but.. whether you believe that or not let's ignore it for a moment:

He can post.. his pushy voluntary posting of "proof of owning the game" is a PS3 box and a handwritten note, and he's running it on a laptop. ("well that lends credibility, must just be a mistake because why would he volunteer to do that otherwise")

I'm not trying to sound like a "courageous defender of the man" here, but... does it not seem like an attempt to revive the last issue now they've apologised for it?

I predict that people will sniff this out as rubbish, then a more convincing version will show up.

Whatever gets someone their winning thread on Reddit.

I dont think he was playing DA2 on laptop.

Either way the feature to ban me from using something I legally paid for is wrong, it should be illegal, becuase its theft.

[arghhhjustletmein]

Gotholhorakh wrote...

He can post.. his pushy voluntary posting of "proof of owning the game" is a PS3 box and a handwritten note, and he's running it on a laptop. ("well that lends credibility, must just be a mistake because why would he volunteer to do that otherwise")

I think if you look at that picture again you will see it is the PS3 version of the game, running on a TV in the background, in the foreground is his laptop with the forums open showing his earlier picture, I think he was trying to show as much as possible that it was legit, he wasn't running the PS3 version on his laptop, lol.

I'm not saying this isn't some big hoax, but if it is then he's gone to an aweful lot of trouble.

Modifié par arghhhjustletmein, 13 mars 2011 - 12:04 .

[astreqwerty]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Look at the Op's posting history he has made some pretty negative posts about DA2 in the past.

He also mentioned something about Kirkwall burning in digital hell. So it sounds like to me you deserve a ban.

justification fail

[Ixalmaris]

this isnt my name wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

Ostagar2011 wrote...

This is EA relying on the fact that Armatyr does not want the time and hassle to take them to court over this shamefully abusive EULA.

Have faith - courts are slowly tearing these, deceitful, dishonest, underhand "contracts" under a raft of other laws. Using foul language should never ban you from using using a product that you legally paid for. From the forums, yes. From what you paid for, no.

I hope someone to whom this has happened has the konigees to stand up for their rights and take legal action. EA do not own you, they cannot do whatever they like, and they are not above the law. Just because you clicked "I agree" on a 200 page illegible EULA does not necessarily mean that you you have just accepted someone as your master.

Back up the truck for a second, because nobody's actually established this is "real" yet...

Do me a favour. Go and read through his posts on this thread again. Really just read them.

I don't think the sinister 1984 thing happened to him at all. We've actually been told that's not being done any more but.. whether you believe that or not let's ignore it for a moment:

He can post.. his pushy voluntary posting of "proof of owning the game" is a PS3 box and a handwritten note, and he's running it on a laptop. ("well that lends credibility, must just be a mistake because why would he volunteer to do that otherwise")

I'm not trying to sound like a "courageous defender of the man" here, but... does it not seem like an attempt to revive the last issue now they've apologised for it?

I predict that people will sniff this out as rubbish, then a more convincing version will show up.

Whatever gets someone their winning thread on Reddit.

I dont think he was playing DA2 on laptop.

Either way the feature to ban me from using something I legally paid for is wrong, it should be illegal, becuase its theft.

In most countries it is. Call the customer protection agency they can help you with it.
Or try to contact game websites. Bioware doesn't want another ban story on the main page of those sites.

[moilami]

Lumikki wrote...

Saying negative stuff about company does NOT get you banned.

You need to break some rules to do that. So, it's more about what is sayed or done.

He has bought EA game. That is what he has done. Of anything else none can blame him much less say he can't play a single player game he legally owns.

Even police can't do that.

[NotFrom4chan]

Does Bioware just not actually have a PR department?

[Preliatus]

Yar har something, something.. Being a pirate is alright with me. You can do what you want to be be free because you are a pirate!

[didymos1120]

this isnt my name wrote...


I dont think he was playing DA2 on laptop.

Yeah, people need to get their eyes checked, because the laptop was actually showing THIS THREAD.  DA2 was on the TV above the laptop.  That and I kinda doubt OP went to all the trouble of screencapping DA2 PC and then shopped the PS3 UI elements in. 

[Ixalmaris]

NotFrom4chan wrote...

Does Bioware just not actually have a PR department?

No, PR is the job of the publisher (EA).

In the end it goes this way.
The executives see that the sales are below expectations and call the middle managers to fix it.
The managers tell their underlings to gather reports. Those reports say that there is a lot of criticism on the board and that is the sole reason for bad sales (because you can't tell managers that their product is low quality).
The managers then call the boss of the forum moderator contractor company and tells him to stop the negative posts.
He now gives the order to delete all negative posts if possible, because that is the only thing he can do.

[FellowerOfOdin]

Don't worry, it's just a bug that Bioware fixed, they said banning game accounts was just an accident.

Wait...lying to your customers again?

End of line!

[Vierlein]

Just wow...

[DrMatta]

Bioware, what the **** are you doing?

[Gotholhorakh]

Lumikki wrote...

Saying negative stuff about company does NOT get you banned.

You need to break some rules to do that. So, it's more about what is sayed or done.

It's not the bans people are concerned about. You shouldn't be able to be banned remotely from a SP game.

I'd say at all, obviously, some people say for unrelated things. Take your pick.

didymos1120 wrote...

I
can't believe people are that confused by the images.  It's real simple:
OP took a digital photo of his TV showing the game running on the PS3. 
And then....he put the digital photo on the laptop. I know: it's like
"computer magic" and stuff.  Oh, no wait: it's not.  It's actually ridiculously commonplace and dead easy.

Yeah, even accepting that as true, I remained deeply unconvinced - that's why I apologised in advance if I was wrong, really - I could be wrong.

HJudge wrote...
Actually, the EULA states that ban on forums can lead to ban of your EA account as well. 
This was confirmed by the moderator Stanley Woo the other day.
I believe he said "this will add another incentive to be good on forums" or something along the lines.
In other words, "deal with it".

Well, it's inevitable that they'd climb down from that position through simple PR truisms.
I have no idea if it will be during the lifetime of this game, but I hope they will.

It's not that people want to have the freedom to misbehave on forums, I feel strongly that most people who are bothered by it are unlikely to do such a thing.

It's that the notion of having your SP game "revoked" is ridiculous. Ridiculous like a shop-bought CD not working any more because the music store disabled it remotely.

If I play multiplayer games I accept rules and I know there will be bansticks for misbehaviour - I welcome this, it makes multiplayer games possible. I've never had any reason to be banned fom one, and it mostly enables me and my friends to play without being overrun by punks. It's like society, real life, fine, no problem.

..the SP ban thing though? Well, I'm not interacting with anyone else so no ban at all should be possible- what the hell has it got to do with anyone else?

I'm never likely to incur such a ban tbh, but you know what? I am a consumer and I don't give my money to companies that make me feel like I'm being treated shabbily. You may even get 2 or 3 more purchases out of a consumer through hype, but it reaches hang time. Especially now, almost nobody is feeling rich.

If it's something that isn't multiplayer or whatever, like a CD, or a box of cornflakes, or a book, then you make it, I buy it, I take it home, now I can do what the hell I like with it within the confines of my home.

You can call the cops if I try to make money redistributing it, fine, you want to stop piracy, fine, great. Never going to affect me.

Inconvenience people pointlessly though, or make them feel like you're treating consumers badly, and they will probably not go out of their way on their day off work to buy things from you. Those are lost sales.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 13 mars 2011 - 12:24 .

[arghhhjustletmein]

I think that a big part of the problem is that games company's and publishers these days are covering themselves in so much legal clap trap that most consumers don't have a clue where they stand when they do something as simple as walk to a store to purchase and play the latest game. It seems like these days we are all expected to be lawyers just to be able to understand the EULA's in games.

I'm guessing that EA / Bioware have wrapped this game up in so much legal red tape that they might just get away with stuff like this, but here's the thing, just because something is legally right doesn't make it morally right. I lost
faith in EA's ability to act in a honourable manner years ago, Bioware on the otherhand, well I thought they were better than this. They need to get this sorted and quickly.

So Bioware, whats it to be ? are you honestly going to let your customers get locked out of their games due to something they might post on the forums ? are you really happy to be seen as a company that will do that ? if so then just have the guts to come out an say it, and then let the customers and the gaming press be the judge of your actions. I know that I for one would never purchase another Bioware game again.

At the OP, sadly I can only concur with what a few other posters have said, you might want to consider hitting up the gaming blogs and news sites to inform them of this, there was already a PR storm about a similar issue a few days ago, and sadly it seems like these days you might get a faster and better response if you can get your story picked up by a few sites such as that rock paper scissors etc.

Modifié par arghhhjustletmein, 13 mars 2011 - 12:24 .

[Darkhour]

Armatyr wrote...







and i also even own special edition deadspace

We won't believe you unless your post a pick of yourself naked, holding the box with your right hand, the manual with the left hand and the CD... in some creative fashion.

[DrMatta]

Companies controlling the way how and when you play your videogames.
Is this ****ing elementary school?

I think i just converted to pirate.

[smurfdude]

Is it really any surprise so many people choose to pirate games when customers are treated in such a disgraceful manner? In a perfect world 100% of gamers would boycott EA

[Gotholhorakh]

arghhhjustletmein wrote...

Gotholhorakh wrote...

He can post.. his pushy voluntary posting of "proof of owning the game" is a PS3 box and a handwritten note, and he's running it on a laptop. ("well that lends credibility, must just be a mistake because why would he volunteer to do that otherwise")

I think if you look at that picture again you will see it is the PS3 version of the game, running on a TV in the background, in the foreground is his laptop with the forums open showing his earlier picture, I think he was trying to show as much as possible that it was legit, he wasn't running the PS3 version on his laptop, lol.

I'm not saying this isn't some big hoax, but if it is then he's gone to an aweful lot of trouble.

Yeah, looking again, you are right. ^^ Everybody pay attention to what this guy said, I was completely wrong on this point.

I won't edit it out because that would be wrong, but I was wrong there.

I remain unconvinced about the OP, but I will shut up about it now having been humbled

[DrMatta]

How are all you Biodrones so blindly "unconvinced"?

It boggles the mind.

(in before my account gets banned too)

Modifié par DrMatta, 13 mars 2011 - 12:32 .

[msp]

Whether OP is a troll and what forum offense, if any, he committed is absolutely irrelevant. Under no circumstances should a forum rule violation result in somebody being denied access to goods they paid for. Period. The system capable of doing that should not even exist, yet it does, and its development certainly wasn't an accident.

[Arthur Cousland]

Interesting...

Moral of the day...say only nice things about Bioware and their games or you face the banstick and can't play your offline, single player games.

[Ostagar2011]

arghhhjustletmein wrote...

I'm guessing that EA / Bioware have wrapped this game up in so much legal red tape that they might just get away with stuff like this, but here's the thing, just because something is legally right doesn't make it morally right. I lost
faith in EA's ability to act in a honourable manner years ago, Bioware on the otherhand, well I thought they were better than this. They need to get this sorted and quickly.

I wouldn't be so defeatist. The judiciaries in EA's largest markets are increasingly take a very dim view of EULA -bullying. There are plenty of provisions in general law (eg consumer protection) that can invalidate any contract, EULA included. No one should assume that just because EA is big, it is complying with the law. In fact, its lawyers are probably doing their damndest to make something borderline-illegal APPEAR legal.

VERY good point by the way about legal =/= moral. This nuance is often lost by the BioWare apologists. I do not see how any consumer can look at what is happening here with anything other than horror. To actively post in support of EA ... makes your head explode.

Modifié par Ostagar2011, 13 mars 2011 - 12:46 .

[Jackalofdeath]

good riddance, thank god for legitimate moderation for once.

[Gotholhorakh]

The system capable of doing that should not even exist, yet it does, and its development certainly wasn't an accident.

On that we agree, and if it is still possible for this act to happen after what's been said and done, it's a completely unacceptable way to treat consumers.

Modifié par Gotholhorakh, 13 mars 2011 - 12:48 .

[tRaGiQuE_]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Look at the Op's posting history he has made some pretty negative posts about DA2 in the past.

He also mentioned something about Kirkwall burning in digital hell. So it sounds like to me you deserve a ban.

So we get banned from their precious forum for having an opinion about this rip off game!?!?!?! Wow my wittle feelings are hurt, woe is me. Bioware won't let me post....Waaaaaa LOL Just another company falling into the inferno of their publisher.