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[rpgmastermind]

GFX do not really impress me anymore... I'm grown now. I have lost countless hours from my life to bg2 and if I was worried about GFX, then I would not of even gave the game a shot (especially the inventory menu --ugly). People must realize that five years ago these GFX were top par, and to compete with games today, to me they stand the test of time.Think about how long the game has been in development then rate GFX.

[Lord_Rian]

Craig McDermott wrote...

Lord_Rian wrote...
Fallout 3 is built on the Gamebryo engine, well established middleware that has been used by every game of the past millenium, all the way back past Morrowind. DAO is built on a brand new engine from scratch.

Apples and Oranges. Besides, Oblivion & F3 were tear-inducingly bland.

Why does that make it apples and oranges?  We're talking purely about aesthetics here.  Oblivion is a crap game but when it came out its visuals were cutting edge.  Fallout 3 probably looks better vanilla than DA.

Visually, DA just isn't very impressive.

No, that is exactly how it is apples and oranges. Bethesda concentrates on building an engine that gives them massive open worlds with great graphics, and they use established middleware to cut the effort required to do so.

Bioware concentrates on giving us a massive RPG with tons to see and do and incredibly in-depth lore, and built an engine for just that purpose but at the slight expense of cutting edge graphics. Instead, you get cutting-edge writing & gameplay.

You can have your eye candy, or play an RPG that delivers and intense and satisfying experience. Rarely, very rarely in this day and age where development costs are through the roof, will you find a game that does both. If you aren't playing an RPG for the latter, why are you playing RPG's at all?


On a side note, Interplay is re-releasing Planescape Torment, BG1, and a slew of other classic RPG's. Just a heads up.

Modifié par Lord_Rian, 28 octobre 2009 - 11:08 .

[Craig McDermott]

Lord_Rian wrote...

No, that is exactly how it is apples and oranges. Bethesda concentrates on building an engine that gives them massive open worlds with great graphics, and they use established middleware to cut the effort required to do so.

Bioware concentrates on giving us a massive RPG with tons to see and do and incredibly in-depth lore, and built an engine for just that purpose but at the slight expense of cutting edge graphics. Instead, you get cutting-edge writing & gameplay.

You can have your eye candy, or play an RPG that delivers and intense and satisfying experience. Rarely, very rarely in this day and age where development costs are through the roof, will you find a game that does both. If you aren't playing an RPG for the latter, why are you playing RPG's at all?

On a side note, Interplay is re-releasing Planescape Torment, BG1, and a slew of other classic RPG's. Just a heads up.

I agree with what you're saying.  But the point of this thread is to discuss why DA is receiving only average marks for graphics.  The reason is that the graphics just aren't that good, which you seem to agree with.  It's very likely that DA will be a much better game than Fallout 3, but it doesn't deserve a higher graphics score.

[Puppy Love]

I thought Fallout 3 looked like crap... I definitely prefer Dragon Age to that ugly piece of crap.

[GhoXen]

Indeed, I personally hate reviewers who review all aspects of a game 9+ simply because the game is a very good game. (Crysis and its 9/10 for story comes to mind) Those kind of reviews aren't informative to the gamers.

[palang81984]

Bah, i don't care about the 7.

I don't play games like this for stunning graphics, (although the art and animation does need to be quality) i play it for the quality content. I just played KOTOR a few weeks ago and enjoyed the hell out of it. I don't need to see the water reflecting individually drawn leaves in trees; usually that means a 10 hour play through. For instance, Mass Effect had good graphics, but to be honest, beyond the cities, it was quite mundane and monotonous (i'm referring to the planet exploration, which was really quite lame and not very compelling), and the actual main quest didn't take very long at all. This game is one of the few these days that actually goes over, from what i hear, 40 hours.

They use a quality engine that gets the job done, that's all i need. I don't need to be stopping in front of the glass as my character walks by to admire the reflection. For this type of game, the alternative is a pencil and paper and some dice...

[Craig McDermott]

Faerieheart wrote...

I thought Fallout 3 looked like crap... I definitely prefer Dragon Age to that ugly piece of crap.

What system did you play Fallout 3 on?

[rpgmastermind]

palang81984 wrote...

Bah, i don't care about the 7.
I don't play games like this for stunning graphics, (although the art and animation does need to be quality) i play it for the quality content. I just played KOTOR a few weeks ago and enjoyed the hell out of it. I don't need to see the water reflecting individually drawn leaves in trees; usually that means a 10 hour play through. For instance, Mass Effect had good graphics, but to be honest, beyond the cities, it was quite mundane and monotonous (i'm referring to the planet exploration, which was really quite lame and not very compelling), and the actual main quest didn't take very long at all. This game is one of the few these days that actually goes over, from what i hear, 40 hours.
They use a quality engine that gets the job done, that's all i need. I don't need to be stopping in front of the glass as my character walks by to admire the reflection. For this type of game, the alternative is a pencil and paper and some dice...

"genius"

[Lord_Rian]

Craig McDermott wrote...
I agree with what you're saying.  But the point of this thread is to discuss why DA is receiving only average marks for graphics.  The reason is that the graphics just aren't that good, which you seem to agree with.  It's very likely that DA will be a much better game than Fallout 3, but it doesn't deserve a higher graphics score.

We do indeed seem to be in agreement, yes. This is a rare occasion on message boards, perhaps requiring tea and crumpets.

[gewthenKartoga]

Graphics don't make the game. There are plenty of games with good graphics, but problems with the game mechanics. Would you trade in graphics for a well-balanced game with a good story? I would.

[Naelven]

One word: Bloom.



And thank God this game isn't ridden with that horrible glowing trash that everyone raved about in Oblivion. HDR Bloom makes me want to tear my eyeballs out with my own barehands.

[CJohnJones]

Face it, the art is so-so and the animation in the gameplay videos is just barely acceptable. All of which in no way dampens my enthusiasm for the game, because art isn't what I am in it for. Much as I would like DAO to look as nice as heavily-modded Oblivion, it is not something that I expect.

[Baelin Firestorm]

As I wrote (earlier in this thread), I am heavily graphic oriented. The more realism the better, I always say. However, I've been playing PC games for 25 years. Anyone ever heard of Infocom? I still have found memories of playing a text only version of Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy and the rewarding experience was just a potent as anything a cutting edge graphical game could offer.

[Skrax26]

I dont even care about the graphics anymore.. After i saw some live footage of DAO on a hd screen , in a town full of ppl and movement. And another scene with a battle taking place in a forrest with ent's i am so hooked on this game!. It looks absolutely beautiful!. I just hope you all got a good enough computer to max out the graphic settings.. ITS SO NICE!

[Baelin Firestorm]

Bleh... ..double post (grumble) ...stupid browser timed out (mumble).. ..groan

Modifié par Baelin Firestorm, 29 octobre 2009 - 12:21 .

[rpgmastermind]

Skrax26 wrote...

 I just hope you all got a good enough computer to max out the graphic settings.. ITS SO NICE!

Who doesn't

[Ashbery]

Fallout3 is an action RPG where you control one player and sometimes a sidekick and fight maybe 3 or 4 enemies.In DA you have a party of four and can fight enemies of up to 40.



Can you figure it out? It is called a trade off for the tacitical combat gameplay.

[GamesAl0t]

the game can look like an 8 year old playing with legos as long as the story and gameplay are good.

[Craig McDermott]

Ashbery wrote...

Fallout3 is an action RPG where you control one player and sometimes a sidekick and fight maybe 3 or 4 enemies.In DA you have a party of four and can fight enemies of up to 40.

Can you figure it out? It is called a trade off for the tacitical combat gameplay.

Well Fallout 3 also has a massive open world whereas Dragon Age will take place is small instances. With mods you could get 40 enemies on screen in FO3 no problem.

Tactical gameplay isn't an excuse for poor graphics. Like most people have said, though, DA will hopefully be good for reasons other than graphics.

[FalloutBoy]

Rome: Total War has bad graphics by today's standards, but amazingly deep gameplay. Empire: Total War has (last time I checked) lots of bugs and balance issues, but very impressive graphics and a slower framerate. Guess which one I play.

[Sylivin]

In all honesty, pretty much all of Bioware's games have had dated graphics when the game was finally released. I suppose Jade Empire and the second Baldur's Gate might have been exceptions, but all the rest have been a year or two behind the times for cutting edge graphics. This isn't an entirely bad thing as an RPG is more about the storyline and gameplay rather than the graphics anyway. Graphics are a nice "oooh, aaah" effect, but having fun in the game will always be more important to your enjoyment.

Modifié par Sylivin, 29 octobre 2009 - 02:48 .

[Terwox_]

Although I agree that what I have seen off the graphics in DA is decent to nice. I can't help but wonder how much better it would have looked with DX 11 features like tessellation.



Having that said, the story, ui, controls and how the game "handles" all count higher than graphics in my book.

[aragfore03]

I have a feeling whenever DA2 comes out the graphics will be kicked up a notch

[ITSSEXYTIME]

Graphics are good enough. Perhaps not the best visual effects but the character models are detailed and all the animation is well done. There's still quality there's just no cutting edge bloom effects to make people go "Wow!".



I wouldn't care about numerical scores in reviews anyway, it's about what the reviewer says not the score.

[Torrius]

Lord_Rian wrote...
On a side note, Interplay is re-releasing Planescape Torment, BG1, and a slew of other classic RPG's. Just a heads up.

Really? I thought that Atari had all the rights to computer "D+D ruleset" games locked up or something? Are you sure it's Interplay releasing it? If they updated the engine a little bit I might be coaxed into buying them...