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[LordHelfort]

Iecerint wrote...

I don't think Orsino is insane at all. He does what he thinks he has to to save everyone.

I do think it's a little lame that he apparently can't handle using blood magic a little. I mean, c'mon. You should at least be able to talk him out of it.

You can replace Orsino with Meredith in that first line and youd have another perfectly valid argument. Given how far more dangerous blood mages are than Templars I think its safe to say its best to side with the Templars than take out Meredith. Ultimately I dont even think Meredith is nuts herself, but driven insane increasingly from the Second Act onwards by the idol.

[Oneiropolos]

Edited out because of double post.

Modifié par Oneiropolos, 12 mars 2011 - 11:34 .

[Oneiropolos]

I consider Orsino an ignorant inhuman monster. He KNEW about the Serial killer. By hiding it, he chose to let killings happen to innocent women for years. That's not monstrous? To this, I must go by the words of the Patrician whose character is written by Sir Terry Pratchett:
'I believe you find life such a problem because you think there are the good people and the bad people,' said the man. 'You're wrong, of course. There are, always and only, the bad people, but some of them are on opposite sides.'
He waved his thin hand towards the city and walked over to the window.
'A great rolling sea of evil,' he said, almost proprietorially. 'Shallower in some places, of course, but deeper, oh, so much deeper in others. But people like you put together little rafts of rules and vaguely good intentions and say, this is the opposite, this will triumph in the end.
'Down there,' he said, 'are people who will follow any dragon, worship any god, ignore any iniquity. All out of a kind of humdrum, everyday badness. Not the really high, creative loathsomeness of the great sinners, but a sort of mass-produced darkness of the soul. Sin, you might say, without a trace of originality. They accept evil not because they say yes, but because they don't say no."- Guards, Guards

[LordHelfort]

Wait, how did Orsino know about the serial killer?

[Oneiropolos]

LordHelfort wrote...

Wait, how did Orsino know about the serial killer?

I'm not sure if you get the conversation on the mage ending? I know on the Templar ending he talks about Quentin, and basically his research. Which is when you can respond "Quentin killed my mother!" Orsino, if I remember correctly, talks about how useful that research ended up being for him now. Orsino didn't 'approve' of what Quentin was doing, per se, but he knew about it and didn't put a stop to it. 

[LordHelfort]

Welp, looks like this playthrough its time to kill some mages!

[Bryy_Miller]

Oneiropolos wrote...

LordHelfort wrote...

Wait, how did Orsino know about the serial killer?

I'm not sure if you get the conversation on the mage ending? I know on the Templar ending he talks about Quentin, and basically his research. Which is when you can respond "Quentin killed my mother!" Orsino, if I remember correctly, talks about how useful that research ended up being for him now. Orsino didn't 'approve' of what Quentin was doing, per se, but he knew about it and didn't put a stop to it. 

He talks about this a little during the second confrontation, too.

[LordHelfort]

Second confrontation being in Act 3 when you have to choose a side?

[DrunkDave89]

Not sure i'd describe the fight with the Arishok (i dueled him 1 on 1) intense. Maybe just... long.

I sided with orsino, since my sister was a Member of the circle, and he seemed much more reasonable from the offset. Turned out to be a total nutter though. Next playthrough i'll be siding with Meredith to see how the ending changes.

[LobselVith8]

Oneiropolos wrote...

LordHelfort wrote...

Wait, how did Orsino know about the serial killer?

I'm not sure if you get the conversation on the mage ending? I know on the Templar ending he talks about Quentin, and basically his research. Which is when you can respond "Quentin killed my mother!" Orsino, if I remember correctly, talks about how useful that research ended up being for him now. Orsino didn't 'approve' of what Quentin was doing, per se, but he knew about it and didn't put a stop to it. 

It's true that Orsino and Quentin had correspondence with one another, but there's no proof that he knew Quentin was a serial killer. Orsino said the research was evil when he's basically committing "suicide" by turning into a Harvester.

[Asch Lavigne]

I have not played a Mage ending yet but Meredith is off her rocker. She is just insanely paranoid to the point of crazyness, even with them explaining why. There's no real justification to her killing everyone for the acts of a few other than again, her being completely nuts. And if you argue this point, which you are welcome to since everyone has different opinions, I say to you, in the Templar ending anyways, watch what she does to Hawke and tell me she's not crazily paranoid after you help her?

[LordHelfort]

We all know shes nuts, we usually blame it on the idol.

[Oneiropolos]

She was radical to begin with, we know she was reclusive and extremely harsh. If she wasn't already in the deep in, the idol yanked her into it. But yes, her EXTREME paranoia at the end and probably her concept of ruling Kirkwall herself and even enacting the rite of Anullment was probably due to the idol. Before then, Meredith was at least viewed as a competent leader, but she slowly degrades. Cullen even defends her at first but then starts to doubt in her until he turns against her decisions entirely in the Templar ending to do as you say instead.

[Eumerin]

Oneiropolos wrote...

I'm not sure if you get the conversation on the mage ending? I know on the Templar ending he talks about Quentin, and basically his research. Which is when you can respond "Quentin killed my mother!" Orsino, if I remember correctly, talks about how useful that research ended up being for him now. Orsino didn't 'approve' of what Quentin was doing, per se, but he knew about it and didn't put a stop to it. 

If you support the mages, then right before Orsino transforms into the flesh golem he makes a comment that seems to suggest that the only reason he hid Quentin's research (i.e. instead of making it public) was because of Meredith.

In short, there's a strong hint that Orsino might actually have a lot of the traits that Meredith's insanity insists he does.

[Inzih]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Oneiropolos wrote...

LordHelfort wrote...

Wait, how did Orsino know about the serial killer?

I'm not sure if you get the conversation on the mage ending? I know on the Templar ending he talks about Quentin, and basically his research. Which is when you can respond "Quentin killed my mother!" Orsino, if I remember correctly, talks about how useful that research ended up being for him now. Orsino didn't 'approve' of what Quentin was doing, per se, but he knew about it and didn't put a stop to it. 

It's true that Orsino and Quentin had correspondence with one another, but there's no proof that he knew Quentin was a serial killer. Orsino said the research was evil when he's basically committing "suicide" by turning into a Harvester.

If you side with templars, Orsino admits knowing about the actions of Quentin.

[Conway044]

Xrissie wrote...

Both are insane.

Yes, the city would be better off if Anders nuked the Gallows.

[Dreadstruck]

I may be totally confused but wasn't there any *neutral* ending at all? Or did a certain czech PC magazine lied to me?

[LobselVith8]

Inzih wrote...

If you side with templars, Orsino admits knowing about the actions of Quentin.

What does he say exactly? I'm curious because in the mage scene, he outright calls Quentin's research "evil."

[LordHelfort]

Freeing Mages is like handing out Nukes to your average Joe on the sidewalk. Not a good idea.

[ThatDancingTurian]

I didn't get the convo with Orsino knowing about Quentin, but I figured he was involved when I read that note in Quentin's lair that was signed '-O'.

I was angry that Hawke didn't have any chance to tell those mages I sided with that she would kill them herself if they resorted to blood magic or abomination.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 13 mars 2011 - 02:04 .

[Hellosanta]

Meredith is insane throughout whole game, and Orsino goes insane at the end of the game. SO MUCH FUN WITH SIDING INSANE ONE.

[Hellosanta]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Inzih wrote...

If you side with templars, Orsino admits knowing about the actions of Quentin.

What does he say exactly? I'm curious because in the mage scene, he outright calls Quentin's research "evil."

If you side with the templar then second last confrontation is Orsino turning into Harvester. He says that Quentin's reasearch is very helpful and blah blah .. it appears to be that he haven't really put any effort to stop this mad man who has killed many women and eventually kills Hawke's mom. 

[jomonoe]

I sided with Orsino because the way I see it, if Meredith got her way then there would be a helluva lot more mages suffering than if Orsino got his way. I doubt that he would lead the mages to enslave Kirkwall, for example, but Meredith would probably wipe out every circle in existence.

Well, all the circles rose up anyway so whatever.
Also, could some please tell me how you guys find out that Orsino knew about the White Lillie killer? Who tells you this?


Nvm I read the thread haha.

Modifié par jomonoe, 14 mars 2011 - 06:19 .

[Rex1493]

Sided with the mages first, then found out every mage I helped turned out to be a blood mage, so I sided with the templars using the reason of "I'm ending this revolt, i'll spare any mage who surrender."

[ExiledMimic]

Doesn't matter who you choose. Game-wise it has 0 affect on the way Act 3 plays out except a little loot you wont care about because of Champion armor.