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[Callevista]

I'm playing on normal with two tanks and it works for me. But yes, the cooldown on taunt is way too long. Even with two tanks, I always have one of my ranged DPS being ganged up on by two mobs.

[LilBudyWizer]

That's pennywise and dollar foolish. You have a team, use it effectively. Don't spec a companion to do what you do better than you. If you're going to play a tank then spec Aveline to complement your spec rather than compete with it. It's really rather silly to view Hawke as the player character, they are all player characters. Hawke is just the protagonist of the story.

[DAOME2FTW]

I am playing as a tank right now, and I find it really easy.

[Aklis]

DAOME2FTW, stop playing on Normal. I lowered it to normal for the fun factor, and I'm owning everything without so much as an itty bitty problem.

[nelly21]

So...when you can't do something in the game, it is the game design. Then, when others are telling you they can do it, you assume that they aren't doing it at the harder difficulty levels. Got it.

[Aklis]

Well, since I've proven that it's an impossibility to tank, at least as far into the game as I am, yes.

[dchsknight]

UMMMm you do not only get threat from Taunt... Just like in the first game mobs are drawn to targets with Heavy armor. Aveilne is not the best tank, because quickly Hawke can have heavier armor.

If you are having problems with holding or gaining aggro try switching targets often. Body Blocking and making sure you have on the heaviest armor you can. THIS INCLUDES your shield since it does count as both armor and a weapon. ALSO do not use shield defense unless your surrounded or facing a higher level mob causing hard core damage. ALSO time Shield bash and assault with the shield attack animations it does matter. Timing is important.

[TomY90]

on mine i was a 2H warrior Hawke and all the enemies were obsessed with Isabella on mine (my gf on the game)

I was unsure if it was compliment to my characters taste or a saying hawke is less of a threat than Isabella

[soteria]

Well, since I've proven that it's an impossibility to tank, at least as far into the game as I am, yes.

You've proven nothing. All you've done in this thread is make claims and dismiss others' experiences.

[DA Trap Star]

Avaline is really good as a tank especially when you get her her rival skill.

But the advantage you have over Avaline is that theres a lot of armor that have boosts for health. And Avalaine can't wear them, so your Tank will be able to have more HP than Avlanine.
even my 2h Warrior right now who I didn't build as a tank at all has more HP than Aveline right now because Armor of the Fallen set gives such a drastic boost for HP.

There is one advantage for S&S warriors though. There's a gizillion cool looking 1 hand swords in the game. You definitely find the S&S weapons than any other in the game.
I've actually considered changing to a S&S because you find so many sick 1 hand swords, and the shields look bad ass too. The Lion of Oarsis shield looks bad ass. SO far I haven't found many good looking 2H swords, the coolest one I've seen so far is Hayden's Razor but it becomes weak once you get into Act 2.

[Skemte]

My main character is playing a sword and shield reaver.. He still does alot of damage, is extremely durable.. And wrecks large formations of guys with knock back and other such things.

[Dridengx]

dchsknight wrote...

UMMMm you do not only get threat from Taunt... Just like in the first game mobs are drawn to targets with Heavy armor. Aveilne is not the best tank, because quickly Hawke can have heavier armor. .

I disagree with that. The best armor I believe I wore was 337 Armor while Aveline had 604 armor with upgrades. There is no armor that high for Hawke least in my playthrough to rival that, unless you gimp Aveline to make yourself superior

[Coldest]

I don't get why people keep complaining they can't play WnS because Aveline can do it so much better. So what? If you can beat Nightmare, the most difficult option, with you as a tank and without Aveline then so what if she can tank better? This is a single player game. The darkspawn could care less whether your tank is the best in the Free Marches or not.

Seriously people ought to stop complaining about every little thing and start putting things into perspective.

[dchsknight]

Dridengx wrote...

dchsknight wrote...

UMMMm you do not only get threat from Taunt... Just like in the first game mobs are drawn to targets with Heavy armor. Aveilne is not the best tank, because quickly Hawke can have heavier armor. .

I disagree with that. The best armor I believe I wore was 337 Armor while Aveline had 604 armor with upgrades. There is no armor that high for Hawke least in my playthrough to rival that, unless you gimp Aveline to make yourself superior

armor amount and armor weight are two very differnt things.... When we talka bout armor being heavy it actualy has nothing to do with amout of protection it gives but everything to do wiht the type... For isntnaces regulare iron armor is heavier then leather, so the one in Iron will get more threat.... Silverite armor is heavier then iron... Avielene, I believe,  has no type on her armor, so A Silverite armor set on hawke will have more threat then her, since it is heavier... and if you only got 337 then you need to do some crafting....

[dchsknight]

also if your gonna tank... why is she in the party? Get some more useful party members... there is no reason to have two toons that can tank in the same group...

[dchsknight]

ALSO if your having trouble tanking... it might actually be the problem of thinking only about Hawke... There three other character slots... Think of it as a group effort, Read your abilities and pay attention to cross class combos. Set up your tactics for it. have a dedicated support character that doesnt just heal but also dispels and buffs. Instead of putting Varriec as only archery, give him stuff that supports the field as well.

Playing only with hawke is a gimp in of it self.... For Instace I have the sunder talent on my 2H warrior... I have on all my characters that have an ability that cross combos with Staggered, to Fire that ability at the mob that is staggered. Pay attention to your other characters that can cause Status changes and what spells/abilities can play off them.

DOING this would make a much better tanking situation rather then... Run in hit crap and hope it latches on to you...

[kjdhgfiliuhwe]

You are going to be kite tanking a lot on Nightmare. All the mitagation and avoidance in the world isn't going to let you survive just standing still and taking every hit thrown at you.

So, buck up. When kiting, all of Aveline's specific tricks are meaningless. 

That said, I think tanking in general is completely pointless. I just go all dps/control and whoever has aggro (assuming the mob isn't going to die in a matter of seconds), kites. When someone else pulls aggro, they kite. And so forth.

Though by end game, if you have a dps 2-h warrior, they can have enough hps to spend some of that kiting time just taking blows. Mine had 500 hps when fighting Meredith and I kind of just laughed at her while "tanking" her.

So, yes, I think traditional tanks are completely pointless unless you're playing on an easy setting and are really bad at video games and as such your "tank" can actually maintain aggro.

Modifié par kjdhgfiliuhwe, 14 mars 2011 - 02:15 .

[S13g]

Using heavy crowd control can also win the day, Im a huge fan of the gravity pull spell on my Mage Hawke fallowed up with a sleep hex.

Using the crafted bombs also stun targets for a short time as well as the Rogue Sabotage bombs. And once you have access to the 2nd level crafted bomb you can blow whole groups up.

[Zhel_Ryn]

Dridengx wrote...

dchsknight wrote...

UMMMm you do not only get threat from Taunt... Just like in the first game mobs are drawn to targets with Heavy armor. Aveilne is not the best tank, because quickly Hawke can have heavier armor. .

I disagree with that. The best armor I believe I wore was 337 Armor while Aveline had 604 armor with upgrades. There is no armor that high for Hawke least in my playthrough to rival that, unless you gimp Aveline to make yourself superior

337 on Hawke's chest armor. Thing is, Hawke also has slots for a helm, gloves, and boots. Companion armor replaces four slots, not just the one chest slot.

@topic: Finished my nightmare playthrough as a 2h tank, hybrid cunning build. Short of Stonewall being extremely handy at times, none of the few defense talents I took were really needed. It's purely about a: getting the fight under control, and b: dealing with the high priority targets efficiently, whether that's with a tank and spank or a nuke all to dust approach.

[TestUserSS7x]

Aklis wrote...

Lowered the difficulty from Hard to Normal and it's playable. This is ridiculous, though.

I hear your frustration but cannot add much since I use Aveline as my tank and those fights on nightmare was nothing more then a challenge.  Could it be you are taking these fights on too early? Do other quests and come back?  I don't like thing forced into roles either.  It really takes the "role playing" out of RPG.

[Aklis]

Coldest wrote...

I don't get why people keep complaining they can't play WnS because Aveline can do it so much better. So what? If you can beat Nightmare, the most difficult option, with you as a tank and without Aveline then so what if she can tank better? This is a single player game. The darkspawn could care less whether your tank is the best in the Free Marches or not.

Seriously people ought to stop complaining about every little thing and start putting things into perspective.

It's not logically efficient, and it is part of the action-themed brainwashing that Bioware has got going on. They want you to play a two-hander.

dchsknight wrote...

also if your gonna tank... why is she in the party? Get some more useful party members... there is no reason to have two toons that can tank in the same group...

Eh, who would be that stupid?

Luc0s wrote...

Playing through Nightmare at the moment with a 2-H Warrior build for DPS.
At first I was like you, I believed that I NEEDED a S&S Warrior to tank on Nightmare. But guess what? From the very moment I decide to drop Avaline form my party and replace her with Merril, things become MUCH easier. Soon I discovered that my 2-H Warrior (build for DPS) can tank just as well (if not better). From that moment I never ever used Aveline so far. Screw her, my 2-H Warrior Hawke is much better!

Ah, yes, my particular problem is I want to play SnS-warrior. Or rather, I want to play without it looking like I'm playing Devil may Cry. What Bioware has done is that they've made SnS pointless, as 1) Aveline does the job far better than you, and 2) Two-handing is much more effective for everything.

Modifié par Aklis, 14 mars 2011 - 06:19 .

[Nooneyouknow13]

S&B is actually a lot more effective for not killing your party if you use any other melee at all. Damage comes less from the 2 hand tree, and more from Vanguard and Reaver. While I personally prefer 2 hand anyway, I did respec to a S&B damage build for a while, and found it overall comparable. S&B actually had better single target damage out, once you have the upgrades for assault.

[Aklis]

soteria wrote...

You've proven nothing. All you've done in this thread is make claims and dismiss others' experiences.

Still waiting for the proof that you can tank as well using SnS as Aveline. Waaaaaaaaayyyyyaaaaaaatiiiiiiiiiiiingah.

[JoxerNL]

People who rely on just a tank to get aggro for said tank need to start reading all class talents.
Hint : start reading some of the rogue talents, they are there for a reason.