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[Bibdy]

garetjaxx006 wrote...

BG2 is one of the best RPGs ever made.

DA2, while good and enjoyable, is not the sort of title that will have people arguing over the relative strength of character builds, party makeup, etc ten years later.

So... nope.

I wasn't aware that math-nerds were the only people who enjoyed RPGs.

[Tripedius]

It's actually pointless comparing DA2 with BG2. It's like comparing the first Doom or Castle Wolfenstein with Homefront or Black Ops. BG2 was a very rich game and huge, bigger than DA:O and DA2 combined. However PC's we're less powerfull back then and only Nintendo had consoles. People who see BG2 for the first time now hate the bad graphics or the fact that their is hardly any speach.

But if you want to compare on story, depth, amount of quests, amount of details and love the game was made with DA2 relates to BG2 as any random comic to LotR. Sure some people don't like reading and love pictures but it does not compare with a real literature classic. Saying DA2 is better therefore is like saying Transformers, Rise of the Fallen is better than Metropolis (a classic old black and white movie).

I hope this now ends this discussion.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Tripedius wrote...

It's actually pointless comparing DA2 with BG2. It's like comparing the first Doom or Castle Wolfenstein with Homefront or Black Ops. BG2 was a very rich game and huge, bigger than DA:O and DA2 combined. However PC's we're less powerfull back then and only Nintendo had consoles. People who see BG2 for the first time now hate the bad graphics or the fact that their is hardly any speach.

But if you want to compare on story, depth, amount of quests, amount of details and love the game was made with DA2 relates to BG2 as any random comic to LotR. Sure some people don't like reading and love pictures but it does not compare with a real literature classic. Saying DA2 is better therefore is like saying Transformers, Rise of the Fallen is better than Metropolis (a classic old black and white movie).

I hope this now ends this discussion.

No.

[pezit]

"...amount of details and love the game was made with DA2 relates to BG2 as any random comic to LotR. "

This more than anything, the passion of the developers really shine through when you play BG 1 and 2, while DA2 feels like a rushed game made only to profit of the prequels success.

[garetjaxx006]

Bibdy wrote...

garetjaxx006 wrote...

BG2 is one of the best RPGs ever made.

DA2, while good and enjoyable, is not the sort of title that will have people arguing over the relative strength of character builds, party makeup, etc ten years later.

So... nope.

I wasn't aware that math-nerds were the only people who enjoyed RPGs.

You're missing my point. I was referring to replay value moreso than anything. I enjoyed DA2, but it's not designed for nearly as much variety as the BG series was. Part of this is because it uses AD&D rules, and also because of how Dragon Age was designed from the get go.

This game is geared much more for the play through it and forget it types than people playing and discussing it for a long time.... but then, it's too early to know for sure. I can only judge it on the opinions of myself and others who have played it.

[Savior Indra]

I can't say anything about Baldur's Gate 1 (b/c i haven't played 1) but i have played through Baldur's Gate 2 and; for me at least, DA2 story beats BG2's story. Maybe its just personal preference but i felt that DA2's story was a lot deeper, personal and more compelling. I really enjoyed the rise to power type of story and that DA2 showed the good and the bad that happened to Hawke, and how (like in real life) the bad seriously outweighs the good. The companions also drew me in more than BG2. I just felt they were better fleshed out with realistic character flaws. So for me personally on the basis of storyi would say DA2 is better than BG2.

[FellowerOfOdin]

Everyone who believes that it's better than BG obviously is an idiot. Sorry for the hard words, but seriously, sometimes, it's better to just use a single word instead of writing long texts on why uneducated opinions / bought reviews should not matter.

[LegendaryBlade]

DA2 better than one of the best wRPGs ever made? I think not. It's a fun game, but that's just an idea to laugh at.

[crimsontotem]

not a chance even in the 7th pit of hell that this mess is comparable to epicness of BG

Modifié par crimsontotem, 19 mars 2011 - 12:22 .

[Montana]

No rpg will ever be as good as BG.

It's just a matter of how close they come
God I loved BG, I wonder how I'd like it today (It's been 7-8 years since I played it last).

[Dorian the Monk of Sune]

Bibdy wrote...

Ahh the wonderful world of nostalgia. I wonder how many people praising their awesomeness have loaded up either BG1 or BG2 lately and recall all of the horribly bad things about them. I spend 90% of my combat time battling the interface to keep my casters casting and the vast majority of the spells I end up casting are just simple heals. Tons and tons of the dialogue options do nothing to affect the outcome of anything - informational options are lumped in with decision options making exploring all the outcomes an enormous chore. Quest-givers aren't explicit, so you have to run around talking to literally every stationary person to figure out if they've got some worthwhile dialogue.

I love the old Infinity engine games. I've been hankering to play BG1 and explore Durlag's Tower again for a while now (and I'll probably end up dragging whatever character I make through the entire series for the 20-somethingth time). PST is far-and-away the greatest story-telling gaming experience of my life to-date. But, at least I'm man enough to admit these early games from my childhood have glaring problems with them.

In 10 years we will be nostalgic about Baldurs Gate like some are about the Gold Box games. Its too early for nostalgia. And btw I played BG 1 last year. 

Also you will proably have more fun with RPGs if you dont try to explore all outcomes.  Talk to the people you feel like talking to. If you miss some quest... big deal. 

Modifié par Dorian the Monk of Sune, 19 mars 2011 - 02:20 .

[Derax]

Bg of course is so much better, still gives me sivers ^^

THe battles were more tactical , i loved the historical background and the fiction.

Ferelden is just so uninteresting

Modifié par Derax, 19 mars 2011 - 02:31 .

[EternalPink]

Doesn't the DA series use a lot of features that where pioneered in the BG series? (npc romances as an example) and as such comparing them is a bit like trying a 1950's race car against a 2011 race car.

While I love the BG series (imoen mod followed by ascenscion mod best player made mods i've seen for a game) lets not pretend everybody loved it since the die hard RPG's, those that actually use to do it with pen and paper, hated the combat/roll/save system and where forever whining about it on the boards.

Hopefully soon a games developer will hit on the idea of bring all the pioneering games out again with only a update to the graphics

Modifié par EternalPink, 19 mars 2011 - 02:36 .

[hawat333]

Myounage wrote...

So PC gamer gave this a 94. Another game they gave a 94 to was Baldur's Gate. Lol?

It indicates severe head trauma or moving a large sum of little papers having dead presidents printed on them. 

[bulwaa]

As Good as Baldur's Gate.

[fpngan2001]

No...BG 1+2 are both WAAAY better. Still

[Barbosa]

Problem with kids nowadays is that they evaluate their gaming experience by the size of the heroine's breast and the ability of not  having to read or think at all, this is why BG will never stand a comparison with subproducts like DA2.

Modifié par Barbosa, 19 mars 2011 - 04:56 .

[Il Divo]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

BG1 is way over rated, BG2 is not.

This. I had plenty of fun playing through BG2 (though I prefer Planescape). Overall, it was an incredible experience. On the other hand, I'd take Dragon Age II over Baldur's Gate I any day of the week. I simply wasn't a fan of BG's style of play in comparison to other Bioware experiences.

[mesmerizedish]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

BG1 is way over rated, BG2 is not.

This.

DAII is much better than BG1, and almost as good as BGII. It's my second-favorite BioWare RPG, and one of my top five favorite games.

[TMZuk]

ROFL!

The very idea is absurd. But then again, they rated BG higher than BG2 which is odd by itself. BG2 was that sequel that is so rarely seeen: A game that offers more and is better in every compartment. Graphics, gameplay, dialogue, companions, the plot, and last but not the least: Jon Irenicus, perhaps the most epic villain ever created in any game.

DA2 is a mess.

"Oh look! I found a pair of boots. My telepathic mind tells me that they ~must~ belong to this fellow I have never spoken to."

Such amazing quest-writing.

Modifié par TMZuk, 19 mars 2011 - 05:39 .

[mesmerizedish]

TMZuk wrote...

Such amazing quest-writing.

You must not have played any of the actual non-main quests then. DAII had the best side quests in a BioWare game since Shadows of Amn.

[harrier25699]

Drogo45 wrote...

No doubt at all - DA2 is the far supior game.

Could you go into more detail as to why you think that? right I'm thinking you never actually played BG.

[cofcof]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

TMZuk wrote...

Such amazing quest-writing.

You must not have played any of the actual non-main quests then. DAII had the best side quests in a BioWare game since Shadows of Amn.

i especially liked those quests where you pick up random item and then you give it to some random person

i really enjoyed them, i wish i could come up with something so deep

[zazei]

Bibdy wrote...

Ahh the wonderful world of nostalgia. I wonder how many people praising their awesomeness have loaded up either BG1 or BG2 lately and recall all of the horribly bad things about them. I spend 90% of my combat time battling the interface to keep my casters casting and the vast majority of the spells I end up casting are just simple heals. Tons and tons of the dialogue options do nothing to affect the outcome of anything - informational options are lumped in with decision options making exploring all the outcomes an enormous chore. Quest-givers aren't explicit, so you have to run around talking to literally every stationary person to figure out if they've got some worthwhile dialogue.

I love the old Infinity engine games. I've been hankering to play BG1 and explore Durlag's Tower again for a while now (and I'll probably end up dragging whatever character I make through the entire series for the 20-somethingth time). PST is far-and-away the greatest story-telling gaming experience of my life to-date. But, at least I'm man enough to admit these early games from my childhood have glaring problems with them.

Several of those points you make are not negative things you know. Quest givers that are not explicit with a big sign over their heads is a good thing! Especially when there are so many of them (big and small). It encourage people to explore and talk to everything. In new games there is no point talking to anyone that doesn't have a sign over their head since 95% of the time it won't work.

Dialog options that isn't neatly summed up in click here to explore, here to move on, here to fight is nice as well since it means you have to consider the enemies reaction to what we say instead of just clicking next. Also leaves more options for people finding new things when they replay and go back and do old things over again.

Now I can't say I ever cared much for BG1 but BG2 is a true classic. Now there are people out there who can abuse the combat system to pick the best spells possible but beyond min/maxing there are a lot of different things that work and not all of it is obvious from the start. When I first started playing BG2 my mages did nothing but throw fireballs at enemies, in time however I learned how to use more and in general I use far more spells when playing BG2 then I do in any modern game.

As for the first point I don't get why people keep dismissing it all as nostalgia when the BG2 modding community is still alive and breathing after 10 years and many people are still playing it. I have 2-3 different copies of BG2 because I had to buy it again when I lost my discs a few times. Not buying a new copy was never a option because this is one of those very rare (even unique) games that I never grown bored of. I tend to replay it at least once a year if not more. In short I have loaded the game up lately and I love it just as much now as I did when I first got it, Truth to be told I probably like it more!

[mesmerizedish]

cofcof wrote...

i especially liked those quests where you pick up random item and then you give it to some random person

i really enjoyed them, i wish i could come up with something so deep

Unfortunately, pretending that things don't exist doesn't make them go away