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[kreaturen]

I'm one of those that had trouble with cpu meltdown in DA:Origin, so I'm very dissapointed that the problem persist for me in DA2. What is this? Is it an hardware issue? What I do basically, is to disable one of the cpu cores, so that the cpu can only run at 50%. It still gets hot though, but not enough to completly **** up the system.

[Raygereio]

Err; CPU meltdown as the thing getting too hot? That's not a DA2 or any software problem, that's your hardware. I'd start with some standard maintanance such as cleaning the dust from your computer's fans, making sure there's a clear airflow, etc.

[kreaturen]

Mmm no, it's because the game chronically feel it needs to ride it at 100% power no matter what, already from the main menu. When I cut one core, it will still run somewhat fine with a constant 50% cpu usage. But there's no variation, it's not normal... It has nothing to do with dust, as my pc was new when I bought DAO, which I had the same problem with. And I'm not the only one who had a problem with this. I'm just dissapointed there's still no fix, and I'm really bugged out about it...

[stratzilla]

What is your CPU, and are you using the stock Intel/AMD cooler? I'm using a Coolermaster V6 (a chitty HSF in its own right) on an i5-760 @ stock clocks, and in a 24~C room I never go above 30C idle, 40C max load. CPUs are safe up to 110C if I recall correctly.

[kreaturen]

stratzilla wrote...

What is your CPU, and are you using the stock Intel/AMD cooler? I'm using a Coolermaster V6 (a chitty HSF in its own right) on an i5-760 @ stock clocks, and in a 24~C room I never go above 30C idle, 40C max load. CPUs are safe up to 110C if I recall correctly.

Oh, nothing quite as fancy, I'm using laptop... But before someone snaps, let me just to my defence say I'm not having this issue with any other game. And the DA series ain't really such a high end game graphic wise either... Anyway I'm certain it's a bug, even though I'm not certain it's bioware's fault. But since it can run fine at 50%, I don't understand why it think it must run at full steam no matter what... I don't know how hot the cpu gets, it's just too hot, cause it severily damage my computer's performance, as well as being uncomfortable for my hands... For the record I've got an intel c2d p7800 2.53 cpu and Radeon HD 4650 gpu

[Raygereio]

From the sound of it; this isn't a bug. This is you running a program which demands a lot of resources and your laptop is getting hot due to the increase in power demand and because laptops tend to be horrible at heat-management.

You could try using programs such as speedfan to monitor how hot the CPU is getting. Also; I still recommend checking out if the fan isn't being blocked by dust and cleaning the thing out.

[stratzilla]

kreaturen wrote...

stratzilla wrote...

What is your CPU, and are you using the stock Intel/AMD cooler? I'm using a Coolermaster V6 (a chitty HSF in its own right) on an i5-760 @ stock clocks, and in a 24~C room I never go above 30C idle, 40C max load. CPUs are safe up to 110C if I recall correctly.

Oh, nothing quite as fancy, I'm using laptop... But before someone snaps, let me just to my defence say I'm not having this issue with any other game. And the DA series ain't really such a high end game graphic wise either... Anyway I'm certain it's a bug, even though I'm not certain it's bioware's fault. But since it can run fine at 50%, I don't understand why it think it must run at full steam no matter what... I don't know how hot the cpu gets, it's just too hot, cause it severily damage my computer's performance, as well as being uncomfortable for my hands... For the record I've got an intel c2d p7800 2.53 cpu and Radeon HD 4650 gpu

What do you mean by "50%" and "run at full steam"? Do you mean CPU utilization? To be frank, a 2.6ghz Core2Duo isn't a spectacular CPU, nor is a 4650. I'm not degrading your choice in computers, but Dragon Age 2, despite looking a little dated, is fairly hardware intensive. My guess is your hardware is not sufficient enough to run it well, and that the heat you're experiencing is probably a mix of GPU and CPU overheating, not only CPU. If anything, for me Dragon Age 2 runs very cool. I know I have a desktop and you have a laptop, but the same principle should apply.

Raygereio wrote...

From the sound of it; this isn't a bug.
This is you running a program which demands a lot of resources and your
laptop is getting hot due to the increase in power demand and because
laptops tend to be horrible at heat-management.

You could try
using programs such as speedfan to monitor how hot the CPU is getting.
Also; I still recommend checking out if the fan isn't being blocked by
dust and cleaning the thing out.

I would advise using CPUID HWMonitor. Plug a second monitor into your laptop when you play, and record temperatures. I have two monitors going all the time with HWMonitor and Task Manager on my secondary monitor to gauge CPU utilization and CPU/GPU temps.

Modifié par stratzilla, 13 mars 2011 - 01:16 .

[kreaturen]

stratzilla wrote...

kreaturen wrote...

stratzilla wrote...

What is your CPU, and are you using the stock Intel/AMD cooler? I'm using a Coolermaster V6 (a chitty HSF in its own right) on an i5-760 @ stock clocks, and in a 24~C room I never go above 30C idle, 40C max load. CPUs are safe up to 110C if I recall correctly.

Oh, nothing quite as fancy, I'm using laptop... But before someone snaps, let me just to my defence say I'm not having this issue with any other game. And the DA series ain't really such a high end game graphic wise either... Anyway I'm certain it's a bug, even though I'm not certain it's bioware's fault. But since it can run fine at 50%, I don't understand why it think it must run at full steam no matter what... I don't know how hot the cpu gets, it's just too hot, cause it severily damage my computer's performance, as well as being uncomfortable for my hands... For the record I've got an intel c2d p7800 2.53 cpu and Radeon HD 4650 gpu

What do you mean by "50%" and "run at full steam"? Do you mean CPU utilization? To be frank, a 2.6ghz Core2Duo isn't a spectacular CPU, nor is a 4650. I'm not degrading your choice in computers, but Dragon Age 2, despite looking a little dated, is fairly hardware intensive. My guess is your hardware is not sufficient enough to run it well, and that the heat you're experiencing is probably a mix of GPU and CPU overheating, not only CPU. If anything, for me Dragon Age 2 runs very cool. I know I have a desktop and you have a laptop, but the same principle should apply.

It means that when I turn off one of the cores, it still rides the remaining one to the fullest. And believe it or not, the game does not lag when I do this, and the computer stays much cooler, so it makes no sense that it absolutily have to utilize a steady 100%, due to my low specs,  if I were to activate both. And let me just remind you that this problem arises as soon as dragonage.exe start. You can't accuse my hardware of not being able to handle the game's main menu. It's not that bad

[mjordan79]

Listen, processors are engineered to work at their fullest without any problems. The only thing you have to do is giving it a decent cooling system. Laptops generally are badly engineered with suboptimal CPU/GPU coolers.
A game CAN use all the power needed to run at its fullest. So you can't accuse a game if your cpu goes up to smoke.

[kreaturen]

mjordan79 wrote...

Listen, processors are engineered to work at their fullest without any problems. The only thing you have to do is giving it a decent cooling system. Laptops generally are badly engineered with suboptimal CPU/GPU coolers.
A game CAN use all the power needed to run at its fullest. So you can't accuse a game if your cpu goes up to smoke.

I know this, but it's not normal for games to pull out all available power no matter what's going on, it's supposed to fluctuate. I'm not surprized that the game would use close to 100% in major battles, but it's not normal for games to do so while paused or in main menu. Sometimes they need more, sometimes they need less. This games drains all available power, all the time. So long as the exe file is running, the cpu metre show 100% useage accurate, not 99%, not 98%... 100% period. It's not normal!!  It runs fine when I cut one core, that means it should atleast be able to fluctuate between 50-90% if I made both cores available to it. It even steal resources from background processes, making them laggy before I notice anything within the game itself. I take atleast half an hour before the heat affects the games peformance.

Modifié par kreaturen, 15 mars 2011 - 03:34 .

[kreaturen]

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Modifié par kreaturen, 15 mars 2011 - 03:33 .

[ozenglish]

have you tried to see if your chipset manufacturer has any new drivers for your cpu? That could also give a bit better control.

[kreaturen]

Well, not this time. I should probably have done that, but since I've had this problem with Origins too, I didn't think it would be that, or that it would make a difference, but I can try... thanks

Modifié par kreaturen, 16 mars 2011 - 05:01 .

[Pauravi]

kreaturen wrote...

Oh, nothing quite as fancy, I'm using laptop... But before someone snaps, let me just to my defence say I'm not having this issue with any other game. And the DA series ain't really such a high end game graphic wise either...

Lol.  DAO maybe not, and of course it depends on what settings you're running it at, but DA2 is actually, graphically, pretty frickin' fantastic.  One of the prettiest games I've played, well... ever, really.  The DX11 hi-rez textures are very detailed and very demanding, too.

Anyway I'm certain it's a bug, even though I'm not certain it's bioware's fault. But since it can run fine at 50%, I don't understand why it think it must run at full steam no matter what... I don't know how hot the cpu gets, it's just too hot, cause it severily damage my computer's performance, as well as being uncomfortable for my hands... For the record I've got an intel c2d p7800 2.53 cpu and Radeon HD 4650 gpu

If you enable enough graphics goodies that your relatively meager GPU needs to work overtime to render them, then yes, it will run at full steam like it is supposed to.  If your GPU is working at 99% and it has a choice between working at 100% and dropping a frame or three, then it will work at 100%.  That isn't the game's fault, that is the way it is supposed to work.  If your laptop is getting really hot while running the game, then... well.. welcome to gaming on laptops.  Get yourself one of these.

The way to make it work less hard is to purposely throttle the GPU, or by turning the settings down.  I don't know what graphics level you're trying to run it at, but try turning down the detail, turn off anti-aliasing, or whatever.

[Vollkeule]

basicly your system should be stable at 100% cpu/gpu for days. Every application will try to get the maximum. try to clean your fans inside your pc. they often drop rpm when dirty and reduce cooling capacity. This is often underestimated. Some systems these days are very unstable with boxed cooling. you could try to reduce any clockrates (cpu, system-bus, whatever) from inside your bios. but if you playing on a notebook you certanly won't be able to. Also you could try to throttle your gpu to a lower frequency. i am sure that there a tools for nvidia and ati/amd cards.