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[Maria Caliban]

LordHelfort wrote...

I really have to agree with the part wherein she shouldnt even ask/imply with Zevran, that little part was a real ball drop on Biowares. Given the Merrill bug, Im wondering if that bit of dialogue isnt supposed to be there at all.

Of course it's supposed to be there. How in the world is a woman who enjoys sleeping with lots of people wanting to sleep with Zevran akin to BioWare dropping the ball?

[Guitar-Hero]

I think she is by far the most interesting of all the companions, including DAO, ME and ME2

[Maria Caliban]

sapientia24 wrote...

Also if you talk to the leader of the qunari and talk to him at the keep he basically says that they are stuck there because of theft. So no it is her fault, she had the book since chapter 1. If she returned it to them they would more than likely left.

No, she's been looking for it since Chapter 1.

Solid N7 wrote...

Isabela sucks

The chrome off a trailer hitch?

[Ascendra]

I love Isabela, even when she's flirting with my Hawke's LI and he seems to be sort of responding. I get absolutely no female jealousy at all. Maybe she reminds me a little too much of myself without sleep-around part, or maybe because one of my best friends is exactly like her in RL. That said I maxed out her friendship pretty quickly and she never betrayed me. I tend to think of her as a sort of promiscuous sister, along with Aveline as an older, stricter sister, and Merril as a younger naive sister (I'm playing a Mage btw)

[LordHelfort]

Maria Caliban wrote...

LordHelfort wrote...

I really have to agree with the part wherein she shouldnt even ask/imply with Zevran, that little part was a real ball drop on Biowares. Given the Merrill bug, Im wondering if that bit of dialogue isnt supposed to be there at all.

Of course it's supposed to be there. How in the world is a woman who enjoys sleeping with lots of people wanting to sleep with Zevran akin to BioWare dropping the ball?

I meant in the context where the PC is romancing her. That, in my mind, was simply a bad decision and will ****** off a number of people.

[LordHelfort]

Damn double post sorry

Modifié par LordHelfort, 14 mars 2011 - 12:23 .

[Bruddajakka]

I rather like her myself. She just doesn't really do it for me as a love interest. More like a drinking buddy. Doesn't help that out of the Rogues. Varric tends to be more useful.

[Parrk]

It is bizarre that Zevran is even in DA2. They should at least allow his exclusion through import flagging, though I suppose that may not be possible since his death in Origins was probably not worthy of a save flag for the import to check.

After my first Origins playthrough I always just killed him at the ambush.

[JamesX]

Odd that people are having difficulty raising her friendship when they are good. My first play through is Good and Diplomatic, and I didn't game the wheel. All NPCs were 100 friendship.

But all the depth Bioware said Isabella have is a empty promise. She is arch-typical and has no real depth.

[Benathorn]

Eh I didn't really hate her I just preferred other characters more than her.

[Maria Caliban]

LordHelfort wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

LordHelfort wrote...

I really have to agree with the part wherein she shouldnt even ask/imply with Zevran, that little part was a real ball drop on Biowares. Given the Merrill bug, Im wondering if that bit of dialogue isnt supposed to be there at all.

Of course it's supposed to be there. How in the world is a woman who enjoys sleeping with lots of people wanting to sleep with Zevran akin to BioWare dropping the ball?

I meant in the context where the PC is romancing her. That, in my mind, was simply a bad decision and will ****** off a number of people.

Anders blowing up the Chantry pisses people off. Fenris hating mages to the very end pisses people off. Merrill being cute and adorable pisses people off. Aveline being a do-gooder hardass pisses people off.

Yet they're all good decisions because they express the character.

Isabela gets around. She sleeps with Zevran and Fenris. She visits Anders to get treatment for some STI. During the six years she's in Kirkwall, I suspect she's racked up an impressive number of notches on the bedpost.

If you choose to romance Isabela, why be pissed that she acts like Isabela?

[MasterSamson88]

Maria Caliban wrote...

LordHelfort wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

LordHelfort wrote...

I really have to agree with the part wherein she shouldnt even ask/imply with Zevran, that little part was a real ball drop on Biowares. Given the Merrill bug, Im wondering if that bit of dialogue isnt supposed to be there at all.

Of course it's supposed to be there. How in the world is a woman who enjoys sleeping with lots of people wanting to sleep with Zevran akin to BioWare dropping the ball?

I meant in the context where the PC is romancing her. That, in my mind, was simply a bad decision and will ****** off a number of people.

Anders blowing up the Chantry pisses people off. Fenris hating mages to the very end pisses people off. Merrill being cute and adorable pisses people off. Aveline being a do-gooder hardass pisses people off.

Yet they're all good decisions because they express the character.

Isabela gets around. She sleeps with Zevran and Fenris. She visits Anders to get treatment for some STI. During the six years she's in Kirkwall, I suspect she's racked up an impressive number of notches on the bedpost.

If you choose to romance Isabela, why be pissed that she acts like Isabela?

I agree with all of this. 

[syllogi]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Merrill being cute and adorable pisses people off.  

Merrill being completely oblivious and refusing to take responsibility for the deaths of her entire clan if you allow her to go that route pissed me off.  I have no problem with her being cute and adorable.

Isabela is fine.  I understand not agreeing with having to hand over the relic, but her personality is great.  She and Aveline should make a buddy cop-type action movie together.

[MasterSamson88]

TeenZombie wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Merrill being cute and adorable pisses people off.  

Merrill being completely oblivious and refusing to take responsibility for the deaths of her entire clan if you allow her to go that route pissed me off.  I have no problem with her being cute and adorable.

Isabela is fine.  I understand not agreeing with having to hand over the relic, but her personality is great.  She and Aveline should make a buddy cop-type action movie together.

Well once again, her people dying actually is kind of decided on how Hawke handles the situation.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Maria Caliban wrote...

LordHelfort wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

LordHelfort wrote...

I really have to agree with the part wherein she shouldnt even ask/imply with Zevran, that little part was a real ball drop on Biowares. Given the Merrill bug, Im wondering if that bit of dialogue isnt supposed to be there at all.

Of course it's supposed to be there. How in the world is a woman who enjoys sleeping with lots of people wanting to sleep with Zevran akin to BioWare dropping the ball?

I meant in the context where the PC is romancing her. That, in my mind, was simply a bad decision and will ****** off a number of people.

Anders blowing up the Chantry pisses people off. Fenris hating mages to the very end pisses people off. Merrill being cute and adorable pisses people off. Aveline being a do-gooder hardass pisses people off.

Yet they're all good decisions because they express the character.

Isabela gets around. She sleeps with Zevran and Fenris. She visits Anders to get treatment for some STI. During the six years she's in Kirkwall, I suspect she's racked up an impressive number of notches on the bedpost.

If you choose to romance Isabela, why be pissed that she acts like Isabela?

A million times agreed.  I think everyone needs to stop thinking Hawke can get everyone to think the same way he/she does.   The flaws in these characters and their hardassed opinions are what makes them great.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 14 mars 2011 - 04:04 .

[cglasgow]

TeenZombie wrote...

Merrill being completely oblivious and refusing to take responsibility for the deaths of her entire clan if you allow her to go that route pissed me off.  I have no problem with her being cute and adorable.

Three points:

1) There's a bug.  The scene where Merrill is emotionally devastated at events spawns before that questline, instead of after, like its supposed to.

2) The death of her clan is optional.   The only person you can't avoid killing is the Keeper.  Select the 'I accept responsibility' option when confronting the Dalish hunters and they'll settle for simply exiling Merrill forevers, rather than zerg-rushing you.

3) If Merrill had been left to her own devices, as she'd specifically asked them to do, the only person that would have ended up being killed by Merrill was Merrill.   The Keeper (and her clan) die as a result of their choices, not hers.

Modifié par cglasgow, 14 mars 2011 - 04:05 .

[Elessie]

I don't really understand what Isabela likes/dislikes. I was pretty shocked when I got +5 rivalry from convincing the Dalish hunters not to kill the former werewolf... She'd rather I told them to kill him?

[Fdingo]

Out of all the characters she and Varric were my favourite companions. Isabela is a fun classic character that added a sense of adventure to the otherwise bleak doom and gloom story.

[Fault Girl]

I cant stand her, only due to her bouncing back to rival/friendship. Shes too difficult unless you romance. Oh well. I got everyone perfect and Varrics a good rogue!

[MasterSamson88]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

LordHelfort wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

LordHelfort wrote...

I really have to agree with the part wherein she shouldnt even ask/imply with Zevran, that little part was a real ball drop on Biowares. Given the Merrill bug, Im wondering if that bit of dialogue isnt supposed to be there at all.

Of course it's supposed to be there. How in the world is a woman who enjoys sleeping with lots of people wanting to sleep with Zevran akin to BioWare dropping the ball?

I meant in the context where the PC is romancing her. That, in my mind, was simply a bad decision and will ****** off a number of people.

Anders blowing up the Chantry pisses people off. Fenris hating mages to the very end pisses people off. Merrill being cute and adorable pisses people off. Aveline being a do-gooder hardass pisses people off.

Yet they're all good decisions because they express the character.

Isabela gets around. She sleeps with Zevran and Fenris. She visits Anders to get treatment for some STI. During the six years she's in Kirkwall, I suspect she's racked up an impressive number of notches on the bedpost.

If you choose to romance Isabela, why be pissed that she acts like Isabela?

A million times agreed.  I think everyone needs to stop thinking Hawke can get everyone to think the same way he/she does.   The flaws in these characters and their hardassed opinions are what makes them great.

The improvement over Dragon Age Origins is now that you can finally disagree with them without having them try to leave or kill you. Unless there's a special circumstance.

[syllogi]

cglasgow wrote...

3) If Merrill had been left to her own devices, as she'd specifically asked them to do, the only person that would have ended up being killed by Merrill was Merrill.   The Keeper (and her clan) die as a result of their choices, not hers.

First two points are totally legitimate, (although I don't think I got that bug, Merrill grieves for her people afterwards for me) and I knew someone would bring up the fact that you really *don't* have to let her go that way, but I wanted to see what would happen when giving her free reign.  I won't be doing that again.

The third part, eh, I think that the Keeper was corrupted into thinking that letting the demon enter her was the right thing to do, but the clan was completely justified in attacking Merrill, at that point.  The Keeper had obviously scared them when it came to her, and now seeing what had happened was just too much to bear.  Merrill refuses to see that dealing with the "spirit" at all was what started this mess, afterwards, and it's a bit odd to me.  I don't think she acknowledges that she was wrong about demons.

But, anyway.  How bout that Isabela!  

[cglasgow]

Actually, the clan attacking Merrill was a case of the Idiot Ball.

Because seriously, Keeper. If you know you're going up to that mountain to have Merrill kill you, would it have killed you to leave a note?

Something like "Dear clan. I have found myself possessed by a demon and write this note with the last moments of my freedom. I have gone to Sundermount to have my expatriate First save you the trouble of putting me down. Please don't kill her when you find her with my blood all over her knife, I asked her to do this."

Because otherwise Keeper Merethari comes across as 'Oh, Merrill, I love you so much that I volunteered to die in your place! ... which doesn't change the part where the rest of the clan is trying to make sure you won't outlive me by ten minutes. I could have clued them in not to, but sorry, I had a senior moment."

I also don't quite see the sense in the whole 'I've spent all this time hoping you'd change your mind and return.  PS: I've also taught the clan that you're the worst person in the world, so you might experience a little hazing..." thing.   Keeper, if you were holding out hope that Merrill would change, perhaps you should have tried to let people know?   The Pol incident would have been a clear indicator that rumors were getting out of hand.

Modifié par cglasgow, 14 mars 2011 - 04:23 .

[Kelleth]

I like Isabela... Mostly because she reminds me of one of my dearest friends in terms of personality =)

[RosaAquafire]

Maria Caliban wrote...
If you choose to romance Isabela, why be pissed that she acts like Isabela?

Because every woman should conform to a male fantasy ideal, Maria, geez.

cglasgow wrote...

Actually, the clan attacking Merrill was a case of the Idiot Ball.

ACTUALLY -- I agree with this. Marethari's sacrifice was beautiful, powerful, and intensely hard to play through. But her not letting the clan know was just bizarre and sort of hilarious and took the fangs out of a lot of this.

[Eveangaline]

Eumerin wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

I don't like her that much, but I didn't get a chance to know her that much. She was the last companion I got, right near the end of act one, and then I spent act 2 getting my romance on with Merril and trying to get basic friendship with everyone, and since some of hte others were so hard, I didn't really get around to making friends with her before she left me when I tried to talk her into giving the qunari their stuff.

She's actually one of the easiest characters to make friends with.  Sarcastic/wise-cracking responses will boost her friendship level quite quickly.  She was the last of the party members that I recruited, and I think she was the second character that I maxed out the friendship level with (Avelline was first, iirc).

Well, part of it was that I was a dagger using rogue myself, so I never really took her anywhere. Now that I'm playing a mage my second playthrough, She'll definately come around more often.